the penn 500 jigmaster was originally designed for 30 pound mono and 5 pounds of drag. if you crank down on the star or if the drags get sticky, you can easily double that. once you exceed 7-8 pounds of drag and start cranking, you will round off the top of of the drive shaft that it attaches to. this drive shaft, in penn fishing reels, is called a gear sleeve. to increase the functional drag range of these reels, i recommended greasing the drag washers and installing a stainless steel gear sleeve. the stainless steel will hold up to pressures of 12 pounds (maybe a little more), meaning that you used up to 40# mono and a 30% drag setting. for the squidder gear sleeve, you will be replacing part #98-155. for the jigmaster 500/501, the long beach series, the senator 111, 112, 112h, and 113, 113h, the mariner 49/149, you will be replacing part #98-60. in the jigmaster 505/506 and SOME of the jigmaster 500/501's, you will be replacing a fine thread gear sleeve that has a part # of 98-505. the coarse thread gear sleeve uses a #10-60 or 10-66 star, the fine thread gear sleeve uses a #10-505 star. check the number stamped on your star first.
when ordering let me know if you want a #98-60 coarse stainless, a #98-505 fine stainless, or a #98-155 coarse stainless. they are $20 each, shipping included. send a check to alan tani, 12362 ted court, saratoga, ca 95070 and i'll ship out them out.
(http://www.fullspeedfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCN6154.JPG)
(http://www.fullspeedfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCN6153.JPG)
here are the brass gear sleeves
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yeeeesssshhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! i just found out last night that the hole for the retaining pin on the squidder gear sleeves and the coarse thread jigmaster gear sleeves were drilled too high. the whole batch needs to be redrilled. i think i gotten ahold of everyone except mike m. mike, can you give me a call? thanks! alan
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Good Morning. Alan. The people at PennParts suggested I contact you. I use my Penn 114h's for grouper digging with a lot of drag. The top of the gear sleeves are rounding. I've been reading and talking to friends and they say to replace with a stainless sleeve.
I'm having a difficult time finding the part in stainless. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank You
i called electramate and they were closed today. here's a link http://www.elec-tra-mate.com/index.html they should carry this part. my machinist has been asking about making one, but i have not seen the need yet. it would cost me about $3000 for a minimum order of 100 pieces. that's why i've balked so far. please let me know. thanks! alan
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On a whim I contacted our local commercial supply house and they carry the
sleeve in stainless.
Following is there contact info if you are interested.
Fisherman's Ideal Supply House
http://www.fishermansidealsupply.com/recreationaltackle/
750 Welch Causeway East
St. Petersburg, FL 33708
727-391-7380
Call: 1-800-780-7380
Thanks again!
i just spoke to them and they confirm that they have ten at a $19.95 price. i called back to verify the price because normally they go for $35. um, i also ordered three to keep in inventory, so i guess they have seven now.........
i called electramate and they verify that they also carry one. it's $25.
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hi i got that part today this morning i put it on had a hard time trying to get the pin in i got in in by a little force but would not spin and inspected the part it would not work so i put the original back on maybe this part is only for the older penn jigmasters mine is new penn jigmaster 500L or maybe there was a defect with the gear sleeve itself email me back or call me let me know if you ran in to this problem before i mailed the part back today
i think i found the problem. the slot for the retaining pin in the old bridge posts were ground down pretty deep. i think that the new ones from china are not. i'm going to have to do some looking, but i think that the stainless steel gear sleeves will not fit the chinese versions of these reels. this could really be a mess! stand by......
Alan,
Will the gear sleeve 98-60 for the Penn 111 fit the Penn 1/0 110
i'd like to order one
Scott
Yes it will. Send a PM to Alan and a check per the instructions in the first thread.
Just wondering if the issue with the pin hole being too low for newer jigmasters has been resolved. If it has been, I will be ordering the s/s bearing sleeve :)
pennparts.com has the correct ones. i have all the ones that were cut too deep. i use them on reels that come across this bench, or reels that in can verify are older US-made reels.
I see. Thanks for the info Alan.
So will replacing the gear sleeve part #98-60 work on the 113hs as well?
I assuming that there is no thin or thick threads to match up as on the Jigmaster.
-g
Gary,
The 113H uses the 98-320 gear sleeve [a little bigger than the 98-60]. The stainless one from PennParts is the 98-320AT.
Rob
Just wanted to pass on my thanks and appreciation for the fine S/S gear sleeves (1 x Jigmaster 500 and 1 x 113H).
They've worked a treat and are beautifully made.
Had to tap a new thread in the 500 star (mistakenly ordered the coarse thread and didn't have a 10-66 star), so I'm hoping the new thread holds. Will have to keep an eye out for a 10-60 or 66, I s'pose.
Great product, great service - thanks again Alan.
All the best,
Justin (New Zealand)
Let me add another thanks for gear sleeves from Alan. They are beautiful. Tonight will be devoted to upgrading a couple reels and prepping the boat for the first salmon trip tomorrow. Thanks!
I'd like to add a belated vote of thanks to Alan for sending a couple of stainless gear sleeves over to me. I fitted them on my Penn 200 and 66.
They are well engineered and superb bits of kit!
Cheers Alan
Limey
my pleasure! i'm never sure if they will even arrive!
Do you have s/s gear sleeves for the 113H? If so, how much? Penn parts is out of them.
George
George, we are out of SS for the 113H. They are pending. Not sure when they will be coming in.
Bryan
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 23, 2012, 06:15:37 AM
George, we are out of SS for the 113H. They are pending. Not sure when they will be coming in.
Bryan
Electramate has them for $30, but I was hoping they may be cheaper through you or at Penn Parts. I'll wait and see. :(
Please let me know also when you receive some i would like two....
Aloha ShoreKasterHI,
E komo mai. I think I had left a couple at 5 Oceans, 7 Seas on Oahu. Let me see if they still have them.
Aloha,
Bryan
Just checking to see if you have the s/s gear sleeves for the newer 500 in stock. If so, check will be in the mail tomorrow.
Let me know. Thanks!
it's all mixed up. the new gear sleeves did not fit on the chinese bridge plates. if yo want one, send a pm with your shipping info and i will see about locating an old gear sleeve. alan
New Chinese made Penn 309's (in the UK) have serious issues with excessive bore clearance in their Sleeves. They are being replaced with original USA made Sleeves,while stocks last. :-[
Interchangeability of Penn parts may be a problem when USA spares are no longer available.
also, i need to know if it has a 10-60 star or a 10-505 star.
Hi Alan,
Which of the two is better strength wise, the course thread or the fine thread?
Thanks,
Stuart
coarse.........
Quote from: alantani on March 23, 2012, 03:18:14 PM
also, i need to know if it has a 10-60 star or a 10-505 star.
10-505 star. Thanks!
I just wanted to poin out that the 98-505ATs ( fine ) came up with two different threading patterns! I contacted Scott's and they have it all worked out.
If you happen to have the 10-505 and having a hard time screwing it on to one of Alan's ss fine threaded sleeve, no worries.
Stainless steel is much harder that brass, just keep the 10-505 star square to the sleeve and force it a little while turning it, the star will thread itself.
Sal
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 21, 2012, 11:08:44 PM
Aloha ShoreKasterHI,
E komo mai. I think I had left a couple at 5 Oceans, 7 Seas on Oahu. Let me see if they still have them.
Aloha,
Bryan
They had one waited like a week and they got another just received them today! Thnx for info. 5O7S had great customer service.
Glad you got it. JP, Lance, Lois and Asa are the best. Friendly, lets you hang out, and stuff. Also willing to teach. Not many stores left that will actually do that.
Aloha Alan,
I own an old 113 Senator (no letter) that has metal posts instead of the half-frame. Therefore, would the sleeves you originally had in stock fit or should i order a different set? Thanks!
a black side plate 113, correct? the gear sleeve should fit just fine. send me an e-mail to alantani@yahoo.com if you would like one. the 113 in particular really benefits from this modification.
Alan's 113H SS Bridge Sleeves fit my reels perfectly, mine are fine thread, and all 3 reels I rebuilt last weekend are better and stronger than new, Thanks Alan!!
glad it worked!
Do you have any of the 113h stainless gear sleeves, I'm looking for 2.
I believe there 6 left. PM Alan to reserve your. If you already haven't gotten SS dogs from Lee, we could send them along with the sleeves.
I got the dogs from Keta already, I actually sent a pm last week and didn't get a response yet.....I'm sure Alan gets tons of them.....
still trying to catch up. almost to the bottom of the board, then 50 more e-mail to go, and 50 more pm's...... :-\
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 22, 2012, 12:46:39 AM
I believe there 6 left. PM Alan to reserve your. If you already haven't gotten SS dogs from Lee, we could send them along with the sleeves.
Alan, Bryan: I would like a set SS sleeve for a 9/0. I believe it is the same for the 6/0 114H. If you have one please send it to me at your convenience or give it to Bryan, I expect to see him when I return from back East. Dominick
send me your address and i will mail them out!
Is the price of the stainless steel gear sleeves still $20. Thanks
yup, and $18 for the squidder gear sleeves.
Alan
Do any of the Stainless gear sleeves in your supply closet fit a Penn 1/0?.
Regards
Joel
Alan: do you have the SS gear sleeves for a ProGear 255 in stock? Anybody know where I can get a set of stainless gears for one?
Thanks
Quote from: lasparky11 on July 07, 2012, 01:59:51 AM
Alan: do you have the SS gear sleeves for a ProGear 255 in stock? Anybody know where I can get a set of stainless gears for one?
Thanks
The jigmaster gear sleeve fits the pg255. You may need to sand down the pin a bit so it fits because pgs pin location is in a slightly different position, but all of mine work great (1-pg255 and 2-pg251)
Are all of the jig master gear sleeves the same? If they are how do I go about ordering one, & how much are they? I want to order some handles at the same time for a Saltiga 30T, ProGear 600 & 625.
Thanks
G'day and welcome sparky,
Handles here: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=158.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=158.0)
Sleeves here: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=157.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=157.0)
Any queries, let us know.
Cheers, Justin
Quote from: lasparky11 on July 08, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
Are all of the jig master gear sleeves the same? If they are how do I go about ordering one, & how much are they? I want to order some handles at the same time for a Saltiga 30T, ProGear 600 & 625.
Thanks
There are 2 different sleeves for the jig master. One is course and the other if fine thread. You need to look at your current sleeves to determine which one you need.
To order, you can send Alan and email to AlanTani@yahoo.com or a PM here.
Okay, I'm way late on this one. Just look at the backside of your drag star. If it's a 10-60 - coarse thread, if it's a 10-505 - fine thread. If you want to change to a fine thread gear sleeve you'll need a new star, too.
Any SS gear sleeves left for my Penn 114H 6/0?
-Will
yes, got a bunch! i am caught up with bills. i have a few e-mails to finish. almost done catching up with the website. now the last thing is pm's send me an e-mail to alantani@yahoo.com with your address and what you need. thanks! alan
Quote from: alantani on August 20, 2012, 09:40:43 PM
yes, got a bunch! i am caught up with bills. i have a few e-mails to finish. almost done catching up with the website. now the last thing is pm's send me an e-mail to alantani@yahoo.com with your address and what you need. thanks! alan
I responded to your PM with my address and sent you an email but forgot my address in the email (it's a Monday).
Will
thanks! i'll take a look.
Hi Alan,
Do you have a ss gear sleeve for my 113H?
Not a great picture,, but I believe it's fine threaded. 98-320
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/54spes/Fine.jpg)
Hey there,
Question: My old Senator (which I got used years ago) seems to be a mix of years. It's a post only (no half frames) but has some 113H features in the left side (no spring), etc.
My question is can I get the dimensions of the SS gear sleeve for a 113 (it does seem much shorter than those for the 113H) with the height of the spot the retaining pin goes to confirm which one I need? That way I could check and hopefully get one of the stainless sleeves for my little project. It does seem to have "fine" rather than coarse threads.
Lastly, I may some day do the Accurate/Newell SS gear upgrade and is there any reason why this would not be eventually possible with a SS sleeve for a 113?
Best, and thx for all replies.
Quote from: spes on September 26, 2012, 09:47:41 PM
Hi Alan,
Do you have a ss gear sleeve for my 113H?
Not a great picture,, but I believe it's fine threaded. 98-320
yes, got a bunch! send a pm and i will ship one out. they are $25.
Quote from: johndtuttle on September 26, 2012, 10:22:48 PM
Hey there,
Question: My old Senator (which I got used years ago) seems to be a mix of years. It's a post only (no half frames) but has some 113H features in the left side (no spring), etc.
My question is can I get the dimensions of the SS gear sleeve for a 113 (it does seem much shorter than those for the 113H) with the height of the spot the retaining pin goes to confirm which one I need? That way I could check and hopefully get one of the stainless sleeves for my little project. It does seem to have "fine" rather than coarse threads.
Lastly, I may some day do the Accurate/Newell SS gear upgrade and is there any reason why this would not be eventually possible with a SS sleeve for a 113?
Best, and thx for all replies.
the gear sleeve is the same for the jigmaster, the 112, the 112h and the 113. it's the 98-60 and it's 1.165 inches tall and the diameter of the post is 0.402 inches. send me a pm and i will ship one out. they are $20. thanks! alan
Quote from: alantani on September 27, 2012, 03:40:19 AM
Quote from: johndtuttle on September 26, 2012, 10:22:48 PM
Hey there,
Question: My old Senator (which I got used years ago) seems to be a mix of years. It's a post only (no half frames) but has some 113H features in the left side (no spring), etc.
My question is can I get the dimensions of the SS gear sleeve for a 113 (it does seem much shorter than those for the 113H) with the height of the spot the retaining pin goes to confirm which one I need? That way I could check and hopefully get one of the stainless sleeves for my little project. It does seem to have "fine" rather than coarse threads.
Lastly, I may some day do the Accurate/Newell SS gear upgrade and is there any reason why this would not be eventually possible with a SS sleeve for a 113?
Best, and thx for all replies.
the gear sleeve is the same for the jigmaster, the 112, the 112h and the 113. it's the 98-60 and it's 1.165 inches tall and the diameter of the post is 0.402 inches. send me a pm and i will ship one out. they are $20. thanks! alan
Thx for that Alan,
I'll double check mine in the am. I believe it is a little bit longer but will measure to be sure.
regards
Alan sent you a PM for a SS gear sleeve for a 113H thanks , Joe
the mailman (actually, a lady) just drove off with it! thanks!
Alan I love the stainless sleeve for the 113, (much smoother and tighter than the OEM, no play) sent a PM inquiring about a sleeve for a squidder and some other parts
Are there any 114HLW SS gears sleeves to be found. If yes where could I get my hands on one?
Thanks, Bob
Alan has them, their was a thread on them recently.
Ron
Alan,
If you have them in stock..could you please send a sleeve for the 114HL my way?
Thnx, Bob
Bob, try sending Alan a private message with your information. just click on his name and it will take you there.
Sal
I've got a doubt about upgrading a reel with a SS bridge sleeve.Being the steel harder than bronce alloy,doesn't it produce an increased wear of the dog? Wouldn't it be better to change also the dog? (I mean SS bridge sleeve and SS dog) ???
I've only seen SS pinion yoke at Dawn's but never seen SS dogs somewhere.
Quote from: buitrechico on October 20, 2012, 10:18:27 PM
I've only seen SS pinion yoke at Dawn's but never seen SS dogs somewhere.
Dawn, Alan and I all have SS dogs for 113H and 114H reels, I have some for larger Senators.
Good to know it Keta.Just in case I decide to upgrade my reel,what about SS dog and pinion yoke for a Penn Squidder?
Drawn up and waiting for time and funds to cut.
OK.
I need a squidder gear sleeve that will fit a very old bridge with a smaller diameter shaft. It doesn't have to be stainless. Do you have any, stainless or brass?
George
i might have an old one in brass. send an email to alantani@yahoo.com with your shipping info and i will see what i have. you may just need a whole new bridge. i'm pretty sure i have one of those. then you can get a stainless steel gear sleeve. alan
I saw the earlier comment on the stainless steel dogs, are there any out there for squidders, 112h, 113h, or 500s. Thx guys.
There is for the 113H but I'm having trouble finding small quanities of material for the others and can't justify a 4x8 sheet.
Why not? There are a lot of Penn reels out there. I'm sure most of us wouldn't mind sendind $ upfront so you can cover the cost for material.
I'll price it.
I'm definitely in.
Ron
It might seem odd but I really hate dealing with $.
Does any of the Penn dogs fit Pro Gear reels ?, If they do I'm sure there would be additional interest in purchasing the SS Dogs.
Joel
Quote from: Keta on November 16, 2012, 05:59:34 AM
It might seem odd but I really hate dealing with $.
I'm sure you're not the only one Lee.
If it wasn't for down payments, I wouldn't be able to go to work.
You probably could figure this one out better than most of us. Find out how many dogs you've sold so far and how long it took.
I'm surprised that your connections wouldn't sell you a 2x2 or 2x4 sheets, you could tell them that there is a chance that you might buy the rest.
A 4x8 sheet will give you 32 sq ft, (1) sq ft should give you 100 dogs, maybe more but lets say 100.
A full 4x8 sheet should put out 3200dogs....that's a lot of dogs :-\.
There are close to 40 different dogs for Penn reels that you haven't done yet, What are your thoughts?
The 15-500 dogs should be popular and 15-309 (112H) might be a good one. It doesn't cost any more to make others and if they are the same thickness it can be done at the same time. The water cuter will do small runs, as few as 6 so custom dogs are cheep/easy but I like to have the reel so I can test them before I send them out. The big problem with ordering a full sheet is shipping large items to where I'm located and the sources for SS are at least 4 hour drive away. I'll see if I can get a sheet put in with another shipment to save a few $. I've been delaying a trip to Portland, this might push me to do it but I really do not like being in town and cities are far worse.
When people pay me in advance I'm always worried that something will happen and they don't get their parts, I'd rather send the parts first then get paid.
Joel, If I have the dog I can draw it up and have it cut, material of the proper thickness is my main problem....well the pasture maggots are my main problem but that's another story.
Quote from: Keta on November 16, 2012, 05:59:34 AM
It might seem odd but I really hate dealing with $.
I often agree.
But seriously, your waterjet guy doesn't have leftover scraps?
They often do.
.
I've used up all of his drops in the right guage.
Hi Alan,
I'm looking for a SS gear sleeve for my 114H to go with my other planned upgrades.
Do you have any available, please/thnku?
chilerelleno@comcast.net
I've repeatedly tried to install 114H gear sleeve, but it keeps binding when I insert the pin(s).
I notice that there are two pins included, one round and one with a flat.
The round binds the sleeve upon partial insertion.
The flat goes in too loose and the sleeve will only rotate approx 3/4 either direction before binding.
Suggestion?
What do you mean by going in too loose, does it come out on its own? Try installing the sleeve and don't worry about the binding. Place the handle and nut on the sleeve, just hand tight the nut . Now hold the base of the bridge in your left hand and turn the handle with the right hand, don't be afraid about forcing it. Do this for about 20 times, remove the sleeve, clean and grease the post and put it back. You should be ok from there. If that doesn't work there are a few more things you could do, but try that first.
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 10, 2013, 12:02:47 AM
What do you mean by going in too loose, does it come out on its own? Try installing the sleeve and don't worry about the binding. Place the handle and nut on the sleeve, just hand tight the nut . Now hold the base of the bridge in your left hand and turn the handle with the right hand, don't be afraid about forcing it. Do this for about 20 times, remove the sleeve, clean and grease the post and put it back. You should be ok from there. If that doesn't work there are a few more things you could do, but try that first.
The pin with the flat, yes, too loose, slides in/out.
Put the other pin and followed your suggestion... Thank you that worked, it is spinning freely now.
I didn't want to force it without inquiring first.
Appreciate the reply/help.
Quote from: ChileRelleno on August 10, 2013, 12:30:06 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 10, 2013, 12:02:47 AM
Place the handle and nut on the sleeve, just hand tight the nut . Now hold the base of the bridge in your left hand and turn the handle with the right hand, don't be afraid about forcing it. Do this for about 20 times, remove the sleeve, clean and grease the post and put it back. You should be ok from there.
Thank you that worked, it is spinning freely now.
I didn't want to force it without inquiring first. Appreciate the reply/help.
Sal: You are a freaking genius. :o :o Dominick
thanks for helping out with this. ;D
Alan, what is the pin with the flat for?
for some of the bridge posts, the slot was too low (or for my gear sleeve, the pin hole was too high!!!) so that's why we had to make a pin that was shaved down.
And that, explains that. ;)
Alan,
Can these gear sleeves for the 113H still be ordered from you...??
Thanks,
/d
Quote from: 1bayouboy on October 11, 2013, 03:06:09 PM
Alan,
Can these gear sleeves for the 113H still be ordered from you...??
Thanks,
/d
Alan is currently out fishing. How many do you need?
I just picked up a 113H, and looking into the SS gear sleeve upgrade. I have seen posts regarding the upgrade, where Alan said it is not a necessity, and to fish the reel for a while before spending extra money on the SS sleeve.
When would the SS gear sleeve become necessary, due to physical limitations of the bronze sleeve, fishing 50-60# on a 113H or 60-80# line on a wide version?
Are the SS gear sleeves still running for $20 shipped? Does Alan sell SS dogs for the 113H?
Thanks, Scott.
I have always found the SS gear sleeve beneficial. It just makes the reel feel more solid. Technically, if you fish 12 pounds or less drag, the factory bridge is fine. If you are fishing 50% line then you can get into situations where you want more than 12 pounds of drag. Alan recomends that everyone saves there money for bait and tackle until there is a true need for an upgrade. That is, of course, great advice because it came from the Guru himself. But I still really really really like SS gear sleeves.
Ron
If it's a used reel chances are the tip is starting to round if it was fished hard. If not upgrade the drags put some good line on it and fish it'. Unless u want to make it bad to the bone! with ss sleeve, gears, and double dog's Tank!!
what if you'll upgrade to a 7+1 drag stack in the future. you are also planning a dbl dog. my 2 cents go for a SS sleeve now. also if my memory serves me right Alan T. recommends to fish it 1st without the SS gears not the SS sleeve....
Quote from: Mel B on October 21, 2013, 12:44:08 AM
what if you'll upgrade to a 7+1 drag stack in the future. you are also planning a dbl dog. my 2 cents go for a SS sleeve now. also if my memory serves me right Alan T. recommends to fish it 1st without the SS gears not the SS sleeve....
You are probably right, I may be mixing up his quote on SS gears and SS gear sleeves,
Alright, I am sold on a SS gear sleeve.
Thanks for the info guys.
If you are stuffing 7 carbon fiber disks into a 113H main gear it is assumed you plan to exceed 20 pounds of drag. A SS gear sleeve is just about mandatory in that situation unless you fish so infrequently that replacing brass sleeves with brass sleeves is cheaper.
Ron
don`t forget the SS yoke from Dawn... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Mel B on October 21, 2013, 04:18:04 PM
don`t forget the SS yoke from Dawn... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
The reel already had one installed, along with a SS gear set. Thanks for looking out though!
Ok, let me blow up this thread a little more...I PM'd Alan earlier today, but realized he gets bombarded with messages, so I decided to post my questions here as well hoping to get an answer.
Message sent to Alan:
I had a question about the 113H SS gear sleeve...I picked up two 113H reels recently, and both seem to be a fine thread gear sleeves (10 threads), that fit star #10-349.
Q's:
Do you have a SS sleeve that will fit the 113H with a star #10-349?
Query...I see in the for sale section you have the 113H fine thread gear sleeve for sale, that also fits certain models of jigmasters (assuming that is the one I would need). *Aside from the thread difference, is the fine thread SS sleeve the same strength and thickness as the coarse thread SS sleeve for the 113H, or is it slightly "weaker" in regards to torque capability?
*I am asking because the picture in the for sale add appears as though the coarse thread SS sleeve is thicker and bulkier, but could be due to the offset angle in the picture. Just wanted to inquire before making a purchase.
Thank you for your time,
-Scott
I haven't read the for sale listing, but the 113H and the Jigmaster have different gear sleeves. All 113H gear sleeves are the same thread and utilize the 10-349 star; the Jigmaster sized sleeves, which also fit the 112H Senator and the majority of Penn reels can be either fine or coarse threaded.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on November 04, 2013, 05:44:59 AM
I haven't read the for sale listing, but the 113H and the Jigmaster have different gear sleeves. All 113H gear sleeves are the same thread and utilize the 10-349 star; the Jigmaster sized sleeves, which also fit the 112H Senator and the majority of Penn reels can be either fine or coarse threaded.
Ron
Thanks for the quick reply Ron. I assumed the 113H used a different sleeve than other reels, but wording confused me.
I was referring to Alan's first post in this thread (I realize the thread was started in 2008). Quote in original post in question: "for the jigmaster 500/501, the long beach series, the senator 111, 112, 112h, and 113, 113h, the mariner 49/149, you will be replacing part #98-60."
Confused me, and the reason I am inquiring; that wording would assume all those reels use the same gear sleeve and that all would fit the same replacement SS sleeve.
I guess I should just hit up Alan or Bryan and ask for a fine thread SS sleeve for a 113H? I have to know what I am getting before placing an order, especially for a part with specific fitment.
I think the boss went a little to fast with his list, the 113H shouldn't be there.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on November 04, 2013, 06:35:16 AM
I think the boss went a little to fast with his list, the 113H shouldn't be there.
Ron
Yup. The 113H uses a 98-320 gear sleeve.
Thanks for the info Ron and Lee, you guys cleared it up for me.
Hello Alan,
I'd like to order a fine tooth stainless gear sleeve for a penn 3/0 which I believe is the same as a jigmaster gear sleeve. PM sent.
Quote from: franky on March 17, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
Hello Alan,
I'd like to order a fine tooth stainless gear sleeve for a penn 3/0 which I believe is the same as a jigmaster gear sleeve. PM sent.
Aloha Franky,
Alan just left for Mexico. I'll send one out to you. Please send me a PM to remind me as I'm getting thing together for shipping.
Bryan
If you are switching to a fine thread sleeve you will also need a fine thread star.
Ron
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 17, 2014, 08:54:30 PM
Quote from: franky on March 17, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
Hello Alan,
I'd like to order a fine tooth stainless gear sleeve for a penn 3/0 which I believe is the same as a jigmaster gear sleeve. PM sent.
Aloha Franky,
Alan just left for Mexico. I'll send one out to you. Please send me a PM to remind me as I'm getting thing together for shipping.
Bryan
Bryan,
You holding down the fort with full service parts ordering until Alan gets back?
Leo
As much as the parts that I have in my possession.
thanks Ron. yes my friend has a fine tooth star to go along with a fine tooth sleeve.
Brian, PM sent with address and request for a fine tooth gear sleeve.
thank you, :)
pymt sent. :)
Hey Brian,
I installed the new SS gear sleeve....sweeet. The guy forgot to bring his star, but I will see him this evening.
Btw, I checked the schematics for the penn 3/0 and the jigmaster 505 HS. It shows the handle nut part #23-60 to be the same on both reels. I assume that they both share the same handle nut. At the moment, it just seems that the original nut 23-60 is kind of tight for the SS gear sleeve. I did not want to use the wrench to force it before checking.
I just wanted to reconfirm....are the teeth on the inside of the gear sleeve the same as the teeth on the handle nut Part 23-60?
Quote from: franky on March 24, 2014, 09:09:14 PM
Hey Brian,
I installed the new SS gear sleeve....sweeet. The guy forgot to bring his star, but I will see him this evening.
Btw, I checked the schematics for the penn 3/0 and the jigmaster 505 HS. It shows the handle nut part #23-60 to be the same on both reels. I assume that they both share the same handle nut. At the moment, it just seems that the original nut 23-60 is kind of tight for the SS gear sleeve. I did not want to use the wrench to force it before checking.
I just wanted to reconfirm....are the teeth on the inside of the gear sleeve the same as the teeth on the handle nut Part 23-60?
Hi Franky,
The handle nut is same. It will be tight for the first time you screw the handle nut. After that, it will mate smoothly.
Thanks Brian.
Again, awesome product! :)
will the 98-60 fit a pro gear 545?
hi, patrick! the progear 545 is the same size as the 4/0 penn 113h. for this reel, you need a 113h gear sleeve. these are $25. i also have a $3 dog, a $2 drag washer that goes under the main gear, and a complete penn 113h drag kit (carbon fiber and metal) for $12. shipping is $3. oh, and i also have a large handle grip for $41 that drastically improves the reel. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8662.0
or, i can just send you the gear sleeve!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Patrick, you may need to sand the retaining pin down due to the different position of the retaining knotch on the gear sleeve shaft. I have used a fine file for this. Grind slowly on one side and fit and file and fit and file until it fits.
Sometimes I think it would be much easier to just buy a 113H bridgeplate and the gear sleeve fits like a glove without any modifications, but I don't have that kind of money...so I just make it work.
Thanks for the info! I will let you know how it goes.
Hi Alan, where are the stainless steel dogs for my 113 Black Senators. I want to purchase 2 of them as soon as I hear from you.
Thank you,
jig-guy
I need two 113h gear sleeves Alan.
Mark Hartley
a few 500 jigmaster and squidder gear sleeves have gone to smoothdrag.com for her to look at. the remaining inventory has gone to mysticparts.com and they are going to sell them all off. right now i am looking for a new source. it will be months before we work this all out. once smoothdrag and mysticparts run out, it may be a long time before we have more inventory. :-\
are there any gear sleeves available for the surfmaster 250 couldn't seem to find them on mysticparts thanks
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
They are the same as a Jigmaster.
Ron
if it uses a jigmaster sleeve then why doesn't the jigmaster main gear work with it just currious
The ID of a lot of Penn main gears are the same in order to use this sleeve, the OD is totally different in order to fit different sized reels and give different gear ratios.
Ron
This is where it gets confusing. The Jigmaster 500 and Surfmaster 250 have the same spool and sleeve.
I have several Jigmasters that I still need to upgrade. How do I know if I need a fine or coarse sleeve?
I need to look at them, I'm sure I probably have both. This is not an issue with the Surfmasters.
Quote from: txangler81 on August 01, 2014, 04:07:46 AM
if it uses a jigmaster sleeve then why doesn't the jigmaster main gear work with it just currious
Even though it is nice to have tighter tolerance on custom parts than Penn stock parts., I have had to enlarge the ID on some custom gears to install them...not a big deal.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 01, 2014, 05:01:32 AM
This is where it gets confusing. The Jigmaster 500 and Surfmaster 250 have the same spool and sleeve.
I have several Jigmasters that I still need to upgrade. How do I know if I need a fine or coarse sleeve?
I need to look at them, I'm sure I probably have both. This is not an issue with the Surfmasters.
Not that confusing Bud.
This one will fit all the reels listed below and it only comes in coarse tooth:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-155AT.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-155AT.aspx)
This one comes with fine tooth or coarse tooth:
https://www.mysticparts.com//PennParts/Custom/98-60AT.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com//PennParts/Custom/98-60AT.aspx)
The sleeve ratchet on the 98-60AT is 3.25mm wider than the 98-155AT.
If you want to use a fine tooth sleeve on the Squidder or other Surfmasters, go for it, I see no problem with swapping the 98-155AT with the 98-60AT, just make sure you get yourself a 10-505.
The 98-155 will also work on the Jigmaster,...if you had to ;)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Got it Sal. Thanks ;)
The Jig Masters with 10-60 Star are Fine Thread. I don't know the other Star number because I'm having a Senior Moment at this time.
Mike
Ok, lets complicate things a little more ;D, the 10-60 star is coarse thread, the only fine thread that I know of is a 10-505 star.
Scott has some type of note on the 10-60 that I've never seen before, this is not related to fine or coarse tooth. If a star feels too snug on the stainless steel sleeve at first, I wouldn't worry about it too much, usually the stainless sleeve acts as a tap and works itself into the softer star material.
You better ask that Magic ball again Mike! :D
I'm happy to be corrected from fine to course. Now the correct info will help someone.
Mike
Daron you know what is coming next. LOL
You had better straighten up. :D
You keep them to yourself! ;)
Yeah, 10-60s are coarse, 10-505s are fine. Most of the other small stars are also coarse. I've had Jigmasters come in with all sorts of stars on them 10-49s are common on older ones.
If I change out a gear sleeve for a stainless one I always go with the fine thread version (98-505) so I buy a 10-505 star to go with it. The reason for the fine thread is better drag control and easier to get to max drag.
Yeah Lensters, those with the larger star could be mine I've upgraded many. I see you like fine thread, just steer away from aluminum stars, as the ones selling on eBay.
Here are a few of the ones I like now:
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/006_zps8d721b3f.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/006_zps8d721b3f.jpg.html)
That is Ridiculous Sal! :D
Did the Guys ever make any of those for the Big Senators?
Couldn't tell you bud :-\. The one on the reel on the right I purchased from Adam (Three7ens), the rest were a gift from Dave ( Jurelometer). Both could make the larger ones if they wanted to, there are also a couple of other guys here that could do it as well.
Dave was working on other projects and I don't believe he has the time.
It is amazing what members here can make us! ;D
yep! ;)
thanks for the info guys
I have installed new stainless gear sleeves on my 112 and 49 and wanted to put a 10-49 star on my 112. I ordered a new one from Scotts but it is more than just tight. I would like to run a tap through it but my complete automotive tap and die set does not have one to match. Does any one off hand know the thread size. It seems like an odd size.
the top thread on some of them got bent down a little. if you force the star, you can "chase" the threads and it will work. sorry for the hassle, you have one the few remaining gear sleeves left. i can't get anyone locally to make them for me anymore. i am last on everyone's list or priorities. :-\
Quote from: alantani on October 23, 2014, 05:20:49 AM
the top thread on some of them got bent down a little. if you force the star, you can "chase" the threads and it will work. sorry for the hassle, you have one the few remaining gear sleeves left. i can't get anyone locally to make them for me anymore. i am last on everyone's list or priorities. :-\
How long to you expect the drought to last (if there is one)? I may need to pick up a few sleeves from you.
not sure. i have two guys locally and one guy overseas. just my luck they'll all come up with orders all at the same time!
are stainless 98-155 sleeves available for 146 squidder ?
went to Scotts online and found one -its on its way Thanks
Hello Alan,
Do you still have the fine thread Star 10-505 and fine tooth stainless gearsleeve 98-505 for a high speed jigmaster?
yup, got a bunch! send me a pm and i will send a paypal request and get them shipped out. thanks! alan
All right now, let's all keep in mind that I'm still learning here. I read all 11 pages of this post and fill I can now properly ask my questions. Maybe ?
I have up graded 4 of my Penn 210's that have the 10-505 gear sleeve and star drag with the 6+1 Bryan Young drag stack and 2 of Alan's Power handles. Then I read this;
"i only recommend a stainless steel gear sleeve if you INTEND to exceed 8 pounds of drag."
The 6+1 drag stack exceeds 8 pounds by double. Now I need to rethink my plan.
With the 10-505 fine thread sleeve, do I need to upgrade to the SS for the Sleeve, Main Gear, Pinion and Yoke ?
Are these available yet ?
My next question is, will the bridge assembly hold ?
Thanks for all of yawls information. I have sure learned a lot for you all~!
Mic
Well it can be confusing, however, Alan just told me he is out of the fine thread gear sleeve. He does have lots of the coarse thread, which means switching stars.
But I think I'd fish the heck out of them until something fails, then upgrade.
(I do not follow my own advice, lol). Seriously though, I have never had a Penn reel fail on me, ever. Keep in mind I only fish Salmon, Butts, Rockfish, Lingcod and the occasional Shark outing, where we catch 20lb sharks max. The Mud Marlin stress the reel more.
i sent the entire batch of 98-505 stainless steel gear sleeves to mysticparts.com. i have to order more, but each order is now $4k. it's getting harder to do. :-\
Alan any chance you have a left hand SS sleeve for the 113h?
Hi Alan ! By chance do you have any more stainless gear sleeves for 140 Squidders ? Thanks for keeping this site up , it's a godsend to reel tinkerers the world over ... :)
the 98-155's are all gone. check with mysticparts.com or smoothdrag.com.
When ya snooze ya lose :D thanks Alan
Alan do you have any more 98-60 coarse thread sleeves? Just replaced my friends rounded off stock brass one on his 300C Yellowfin but it'll probably happen again without an SS piece....
Hi Alan. How much would shipping to South Africa add to the price of a course thread ss sleeve for the 500?
probably $12 to $15. not sure until i actually go on line with the address and weight of the package. let me know if you would like one. thanks! alan
Hi Alan, sorry been away for a while. Our currency is taking such a beating against the US $ at the moment, that the ss sleeve would end up costing more than what i paid for the reel. Just gonna go for a brass sleeve. Should be around $6. Will save up and do a whole ss job on a worthy reel. Ss everything + double dog.
Do you happen to have a sleeve left for a Squidder 140?
sorry all gone. it's the next project for the machine shop.
I'd like to get in line for one of these, too!
Looking for a fine thread 1st or 2nd gen jigmaster ss sleeve, would you have one? Can do PayPal.
got your pm!
Quote from: sdlehr on October 14, 2015, 03:16:10 PM
I'd like to get in line for one of these, too!
MysticParts.com still has some
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Thanks for pointing that out, don't know why I didn't check myself. Just ordered 2 from Scott's. They're limited to 10 per customer but they're still in stock with limited availability.
Looking for a stainless 98-155 for a surfmaster 100 project. Scotts BT is out and so is Smoooth Drag. Are there any other sources?
This is my first post. This site has been awesome and I look forward to sharing my 506, 501, and 100 reel projects.
Thanks!
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17456.0
Hi Alan, just sent a PM inquiring about a couple 98-60s. Hope you have some!
Thanks
Nick
i do. still trying to slug through emails, pm's and the website. and then there is the pile of paper mail that has to be gone through. please be just a little more patient. thanks! alan
Would this fit a Pro Gear 251?
maybe, but probably not. what i usually end up doing is installing a jigmaster bridge plate, though i can't remember if it's a 500 or 505 plate.
Thanks Alan, that might be a bit too much work ;D
Quote from: mrwilson99 on January 26, 2018, 05:11:19 AM
Would this fit a Pro Gear 251?
It fits but you have to file down the pin to almost half to make it fit right. It's definitely simpler to just replace the bridge with a jigmaster bridge and SS gear sleeve.
I will make this a summer project, I have so many projects going on right now before the season opens. I def want to improve the internals.
Are these ss sleeves still available?i need a sleeve for the113h...also looking for the ss bridge with double dogs. Thanks y'all.
I have the gear sleeves, but not the bridge plate. Check with black pearl and Cortez conversions for the other parts.
Sorry guys but I'm new to upgrading Jigmasters I have a question I just got the GEN 2 coarse thread gear sleeve and washer set that was need my question is where do the washers go I put them both under the main gear SS first then the carbon but after I put my reel back together my drag star seems to not have the same amount of adjustment it did before I did the upgrade I also changed the drag washers to smooth drag
By using the stainless washer and thin Carbontex washer under the main gear it has raised the height just a tad. You will need to sand or file the sleeve just a little to get the drag star to fit and tighten correctly. Making the sleeve shorter.
Keith
Alan, in the first post of the thread you indicate 113H takes the same "60" sleeve as the 113, unless I misread.
Quote from: Cnhleather on March 12, 2018, 04:37:27 AM
After I put my reel back together my drag star seems to not have the same amount of adjustment it did before I did the upgrade I also changed the drag washers to smooth drag
This is very common with drag upgrades. Especially when converting a stock HT-100 3-stack to a Smooth Drag 5-stack. The thinner washers just don't have the "squish" the thicker ones had, and it translates to the star feeling like it lost travel. This can be offset with some spring washer experimentation. I've ground down the spacing sleeve to allow for an extra spring washer, this increases the star travel. I kind of like the faster action of the thin washers myself...but it does take some getting used to.
Are there any SS gear sleeves still available for a Jigmaster 500?
Check Mystic Parts or ProChallenger Websites
I have fine thread sleeves available for both on my website. You will need to swap out the star. I have them as well.
Tom
I only have fine threads as well. Need today do another run.
SS sleeves for squidders/surfmasters still available?
check with cortez conversions. he will be taking over the 98-155 gear sleeves from me. thanks! alan
Good Day Alan, do you still have sleeves for squidder and jigmaster?
only the squidder in fine (my mistake, not coarse) thread and the jigmaster in fine thread. send me a pm if that works. thanks! alan
Hi Alan,
I can use a Squidder coarse and a stainless dog if you have them. Rebuilding an old Silverbeach 99.
Best,
Frank
Quote from: Frank on December 21, 2018, 07:20:08 AM
Hi Alan,
I can use a Squidder coarse and a stainless dog if you have them. Rebuilding an old Silverbeach 99.
Best,
Frank
cortez coversions is making the gear sleeves for me now, so what i have is a fine thread squidder gear sleeve. you'd need a $5 10-505 star and i'm not sure on the dog. the only ones i have that would be remotely close would be the 112h/309 dog, the 500 dog and the 9 dog. lee might know if any of these fits the 99. i'll check.
Quote from: alantani on December 21, 2018, 08:03:57 AM
Quote from: Frank on December 21, 2018, 07:20:08 AM
Hi Alan,
I can use a Squidder coarse and a stainless dog if you have them. Rebuilding an old Silverbeach 99.
Best,
Frank
cortez coversions is making the gear sleeves for me now, so what i have is a fine thread squidder gear sleeve. you'd need a $5 10-505 star and i'm not sure on the dog. the only ones i have that would be remotely close would be the 112h/309 dog, the 500 dog and the 9 dog. lee might know if any of these fits the 99. i'll check.
Okay, I'll take a fine tooth Squidder stainless sleeve, a 10-505 star and a dog if you can find out what would be the proper one. Mystic Parts is showing a picture of a 15-99 stainless dog but not listing it to purchase.
Alan,
Please disregard. I think I can order a complete kit from Pro Challenger.
Frank
sounds good, go for it!!!!!
Anything coming down the line that will fit a surfmaster 250? If not, is there any modifications that can be done to make one of these fit?
there are some older style bridges, but i thought that the newer bridges took either a jigmaster gear sleeve or a squidder gear sleeve. cortez conversions is now making them. i backed out.
Are the jigmaster sleeves the part that will fit the 210 reels? I just scored one and am thinking of doing the upgrade. Would I need to replace the star as well?
it looks like a fine thread jigmaster 98-505 gear sleeve and a fine thread jigmaster 10-505 star.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Penn210M.aspx