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OK, I just had a 130 follow me home, and ,outside of dirty, and a *bit* corroded...it's in pretty good shape. I don't think, from the inside appearance, that it was ever fished very much....but, when they fished it, they must have left the click on, all the time ! The "tongue " is worn almost entirely away. Has anyone discovered what other Penn used this same tongue / button ? It's N/A for the Sailfisher, and if one of you guys happens to have already traveled this road, it will save me tearing down other reels...AND a lot of measurement ! The brown (delrin ?) drag washers look like new, but the black (thin leather ?)ones are just "mush", but I see there is a HT-100 kit that can be modified, so I'm good there. It *apparently* is an "older" reel, as it has the externally accessible drag. Thanks again !
Cornelis lemme check; I think I have a broken 130 side plate you might take the click tongue from. If so I'll send it on. Cool reels.
John.
I got the 130 together .....I discovered that the actual click "tongue" is the same for a lot of Penn reels, the difference seems to be in the length of the shaft on the "button". I had replaced the click parts on a 3/0, and saved the button, and, as luck would hve it, it is / was slightly longer than the one in the 130, and, with a little help from my "Bohemian Lathe" (drill press and a file {or, Bohemian Milling Machine}) cut down the length of the shaft enough to be able to re use it, on the 130. I "re peened" the tongue to the shaft, but , I *think* some of the replacements using the c clip, might match up, as well.
I modified the drag kit....not too bad a job....and assembled it, well, ALMOST ::), it seems the "gremlins" absconded with one post...can't find it, anyplace ??? I thought , maybe, it was left in my parts washer...nope !, Maybe in the cigar box with the rest of the parts ? Nope !, On the floor, under the bench ( I do drop a lot of things, anymore!), or on the bench, itself, maybe under a rag ? Nope, and nope ! That only leaves the gremlins ;)!
If you don't find the post, Crow --
Just let me know, and I will send one out.
I think the same post is used on the 85, 285, and a 2/0 111 -- if you might have an extra of one of those.
If not, let me know -- N/C.
Just need to know if it is the thinner post -- or the thicker post. Have both.
Best,
Fred
Thanks so much , for the offer.....and mentioning which others used the same length ! I have an 85 apart, all cleaned up, waiting for assembly, and, when I checked THAT cigar box ::), there was an "extra" post ! Imagine THAT !! So, it's REALLY assembled, now....as with most of my acquisitions ....it's no beauty queen, but, mechanically, it's as good as new !
Great!
Nice job...
Best,
Fred
NIce! I couldn't find the plate; sorry I didn't get back to you quicker.
John
Well done, Crow. Put it to work and catch fish!
Sid
Good job brother Crow....them gremlins sure are pesky ....they probably have a a dozen of my AR springs ;) Bill
A little add, since this is not a question or dating per se. I purchased the reel at least 15 years ago; never been in it. Tail plate was cracked, and I had bought a nice set a few months ago. Had some shop time this weekend, so in I go. As Sal would say, I like what I see. Also learned a bit about the reel between MysticParts and Mike's book.
-Two models: accessible drag and closed head plate. Mine is accessible. I don't love the open side and dry fit a spare 113H top hat. It will work but I have to turn down the diameter and then trim a few thousandths off the spacer. Drag accessible and power handle were later production. Mine had a 24-66 handle on it I put there and no idea what it had originally. After I saw the inside, I slapped on an ole-skool 24-56, the only one I've seen with the large knob.
The reel has steel gears that take jigmaster drags with a bit of rat-tail work; the 130 sleeve is a few thousandths larger. The difference is....it has a five stack stock. I replaced with a delrin underneath, carbontex, and power handle but left stock otherwise. This is a strong reel well capable past it's advertised 30 lb line for sailfish design, and now butta smooth with the new drags that I'm sure will beat 8 lbs. It might get 20; I'm going to check it.
Had to file the new plates a bit but then got the rings on and back together. Lapped the brass washers and main gear surface, and got bridge / jack / yoke shined also.
I filled it with classic pink 30 lb line; I can just picture it in 1970 on a shiny new Magnaflex in Florida doing damage. Really nice reels.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Nice Reel John. ;)
doubled up and left out bridge pic.
Thanks, brother. I didn't show it, simply because it looks like all the rest we see every day, but this one got full tear down into simple green and then white vinegar, then each part polished, and greased back with Cal's, Corrosion X and Blue in all the usual places. As you said, there's only one way, and that's the right way. Now I'll never wonder in my lifetime what's under the hood there. Same way, every time, on cleaning, drags and lubes. Spool is one piece cast, with 12 seconds free spool in 60 yo bushings. I would not hesitate to load with 65lb braid and 50 mono topshot, though I might sub-in two 501 spacers on the frame. I almost did it but wanted to stay stock as possible, even to the wing nuts I despise.
Looks good ! I got one, a while back....did the "drag thing", and a bit of a shine-up, and, I'm taking it south with me, in a few weeks. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to fish it, and "double hopefully", I'll get something *worthy* of being caught on it ! As you say, it looks to be a strong reel !
Nice job!
I have 2 of these reels, and may want to follow suit on upgrading the drags on the newer one to try fishing it someday. I wonder how much work it would be to modify Brian's JM stack to fit.
Cool reels. They just feel solid.
John
Very nice John! Look's great! I really like the Sailfisher. Got several finished and a bunch that need work in boxes. I got to figure out how you make them fall over and a complete reel comes out!
It doesn't work here for some reason.
All the best, .. Lou
The original Sailfisher 130 drag stack makes me wonder what was expected from it...a very different setup than most Penn models...a 5-stack with 2 leather/3 red fiber discs. Maybe extra smoothness? Nice job on that classic John. 8)
Thanks Mo. This reel is interesting....guts for 30 lb seem overbuilt, but especially with the carbontex, leaves plenty of capability for a really smooth curve in the drag range for lighter line. For a sailfish reel, I might have reduced the pinion diameter to get up around 4:1 or 4.5 to one for some speed; if using 30 lb mono and a sail burns off 150 yds you are down to a small diameter of spool with a slow retrieve; sails will run at the boat and toss hook on slack in a second.
Nice job John. Hope you figure out a faster pinion
The 1st year sailfisher was the only year it had a 3 piece spool(1953) according to Professor Mike....
.....and no external drag access. The Sailfisher is commonly found for around $30-$45 average. A reeel bargain ;) ;)
Ted
If the pinion is changed then either the main gear will have to be changed or the bridge will have to be moved.
-steve
Ted those are sweet! Like all Ted reels lol
Steve, agree. Referring to design phase.
John
Leave it up to Ted to have not 1 but 2 mint first year Sailfishers...sheesh...he's killin' me! :D I'm blinded now...what was it I came here for? Oh yeah...I just bought one of these things...and it has a different logo than all the others I'm seeing. Maybe someone can enlighten me? The first pic is what I just bought. The second pic is what I keep seeing. Not a lot of info out there on this bird. 8)
Can't wait to hear the explanation on this one Mo. With a limited run life relative to other models it's surprising different molds were produced.
Hey Mo, sorry I'm such a bad influence. You should have listened to your momma and keep your distance from such bad elements ;) ;)
I know very little about the 130, but if I had to guess I'd say yours is a later logo ??....I've only seen the old style 130 logo, but like I said, I'm not really very familiar with this model, so just guessing
I'm sure someone out there can add some tidbits about the different logo
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 08, 2018, 10:16:01 PM
I know very little about the 130, but if I had to guess I'd say yours is a later logo ??....I've only seen the old style 130 logo, but like I said, I'm not really very familiar with this model, so just guessing
My guess is the same as yours Ted...I'm thinking it's a later logo too. It looks more "60ish". 8)
Quote from: mo65 on January 08, 2018, 11:15:39 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 08, 2018, 10:16:01 PM
I know very little about the 130, but if I had to guess I'd say yours is a later logo ??....I've only seen the old style 130 logo, but like I said, I'm not really very familiar with this model, so just guessing
My guess is the same as yours Ted...I'm thinking it's a later logo too. It looks more "60ish". 8)
X3...that was my guess as well.
John
What size are these reels ? ....Jeff
At roughly 3 3/4" diameter - they are a bit taller than a longbeach 66 (3 5/8") and shorter than a mariner (4 3/16") and pretty close to the width of a 2/0 or longbeach 60.
Mike
Thanks !
Quote from: Rivverrat on January 11, 2018, 08:34:27 AM
What size are these reels ? ....Jeff
Hold on there Jeff...I see ya eyeballin' my catfeeshin' reel...LOL!! ;D
Yup these look like they would work well for that.... Jeff
Quote from: Rivverrat on January 11, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
Yup these look like they would work well for that.... Jeff
I tore the reel down today, and it has a lot of strengths, but the gear sleeve is a stumbling block. It's an odd size...like 13 thousands of an inch bigger diameter than a #98-60. So...no steel sleeve is available. Although the rest of the drive train is up to making high drag numbers, that brass gear sleeve might ruin a power trip...HA! No worries for me though...as I'd likely be fishing the reel at around 10 lbs. drag. Also, this reel looks like it would be easy to double dog. It has the bridge mounted dog. Love this big heavy moly steel main.8)
I might be wrong but without outer rings I think they made them to hold a large amount of relatively light line for sailfish. I've caught a few and it was kinda of like a carp that jumps around alot. They're fun on light gear but don't pull that hard when they get tired. Really pretty fish and I think that reel in good order would be a great sailfish reel but I think there's just too many "weak Links" to push it too far.
Yep, the sailfisher has it's own part# for the star adjuster, and it won't fit any other reel. The bigger gear will get you decent drag #'s and the factory sleeve should handle 15# without any issues.
You can catch a pretty big fish with 500+ yards of 50lb braid, 30or50lb topshot and 12-15lbs of drag.
Solid little reels.
I would love to live bait a small Striped Marlin on one spooled with straight 20lb mono sometime, just for some nostalgic light-tackle fun.
All this discussion on the neglected Penn 130 model leaves unanswered questions. We know that there are two logos and two drag style versions. So I went through every catalog from 1952 to 1969, which is the life span of the model and one thing remains consistent. The logo never changed and the reel never had externally accessed drags (as per the catalogs).
At this point in time I know that the double bar (old fashioned logo) is the first and can be seen in every catalog photo. That tells me that Penn probably always used the same rendition throughout the reel's lifespan. Being that we do know there is a logo change and head plate drag access change, I would like to assume that both those changes happened together with the making of a new mold or the modifying of an old one; but, the first picture in this thread proves that is not the case. The original mold has a raised portion molded into the head plate to allow for the high main gear, so changing to a open drag head plate is not a big step and the mold plug is interchangeable making this build change easy to mix and match.
All we now have to do is collect every Model 130 in the box with catalog in NOS condition, only then can we come to a 100% conclusion (well maybe only 90%) of when the actual logo / drag change happened.
I always felt that 130 was a great reel that never got the attention it deserved. It was outclassed by the 349 early in its life span and never got over that fact. I have known people that fished in the Northwest for Salmon and had a love affair with this model, using only the 130 and no other reel for trolling; but, I cannot speak from experience concerning that. In the Northeast the model also had fans that felt very strongly about it; but, not too many fans. All in all, I feel the 130 was a great reel that had too short a life span; but, that's the way things go in the big city.........<:O(
Quote from: Penn Chronology on June 01, 2018, 10:53:56 AM
I always felt that 130 was a great reel that never got the attention it deserved. It was outclassed by the 349 early in its life span and never got over that fact.
My sentiments exactly. The only real advantage the 349 possesses over the 130 is the gear sleeve. Both reels have the ability to double stock drag numbers by using modern materials, but the 130 can't upgrade to a steel gear sleeve that can handle those numbers, and trashing that stock brass sleeve is gonna leave ya in a bad way! There are no aftermarket sleeves to fit this reel...and stock sleeves are not an easy find. Be that as it may, I
love these reels. They are a bigger, faster, stronger LB 60, and I feel in the future will become a collectors' prize.
Hey is that motor going to Virginia with you next week as planned?
Quote from: thorhammer on June 01, 2018, 05:16:44 PM
Hey is that motor going to Virginia with you next week as planned?
I want to take it...but it's not on a rod. What type rod would I put it on for an offshore Seabass/Tilefish/Grouper trip? And does it hold enough line for fishing 300-800ft. of water? All new to me fellas...I call 30ft. deep water around here. 8)