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Title: 65 Long Beach
Post by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:05:42 AM
Post questions about this reel in this thread
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: coastal_dan on August 11, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
No questions...just wanted to share some photos of my 1939/1940 Long Beach 65.  Flippin' beautiful reel.  Blown away at how well these clean up; just a shear pleasure to gawk at.  Thanks Mike for some info through facebook about the dating  ;D

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/IMG_6296_zps8lfza6xt.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/IMG_6296_zps8lfza6xt.jpg.html)

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/IMG_6302_zpsjnqjtgds.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/IMG_6302_zpsjnqjtgds.jpg.html)

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/IMG_6298_zpswhsji0hk.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/IMG_6298_zpswhsji0hk.jpg.html)

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/IMG_6299_zpslyuiu9li.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/IMG_6299_zpslyuiu9li.jpg.html)

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/IMG_6297_zpsoife5a9b.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/IMG_6297_zpsoife5a9b.jpg.html)

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/IMG_6301_zpsqsxoahfo.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/IMG_6301_zpsqsxoahfo.jpg.html)

And my favorite part is the intricate side plate...I could stare at it for hours...

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/IMG_6300_zps5w8pe3bp.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/IMG_6300_zps5w8pe3bp.jpg.html)

Happy to be this ladies caretaker for a while  ;D

Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 13, 2016, 10:20:21 PM
QuoteNo questions...just wanted to share some photos of my 1939/1940 Long Beach 65.  Flippin' beautiful reel.  Blown away at how well these clean up; just a shear pleasure to gawk at.  Thanks Mike for some info through facebook about the dating  Grin


You are welcome Dan. That is a great example of a very old vintage Long Beach!
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on August 13, 2016, 10:44:15 PM
Dan, that is a beauty. You're batting 1,000 my friend  8)
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: basto on August 14, 2016, 12:05:12 AM
A reel to be very proud of Dan. Just beautiful. It makes a difference when a reel has an interesting tail plate, but that one has an interesting counter weight and hand grip, etc,etc.
Basto
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: George4741 on August 14, 2016, 01:23:22 AM
One of the most pristine 65's I've seen.

Long Live the Long Beach,
George
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: mo65 on August 14, 2016, 02:37:03 AM
That's a beauty Dan! Is that knurled post a custom item? Never saw one of those. Also I noticed the logo on the head plate is the older '38 or earlier style. This reel may be another 38/39 transition piece like Mike pointed out about my reel. 8)
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 14, 2016, 05:05:49 AM
QuoteThat's a beauty Dan! Is that knurled post a custom item? Never saw one of those. Also I noticed the logo on the head plate is the older '38 or earlier style. This reel may be another 38/39 transition piece like Mike pointed out about my reel.

My statements are based on the drawings of the reels from the catalogs. The newer logo is in the 1939 catalog. Dan's reel is a 1939  or possibly a 1940. I honestly believe that Penn was using both logos in the same pre-war years. That is why so many reels have mixed parts with logos that do not seem to belong with parts and also why without the box and catalog that came with a particular reel, exact dating is really not possible. When trying to date these old reels all you can do is make an educated guess. Sometimes, even having the reel in the box will still allow for confusion. Dan's reel has a 1938 or earlier logo with a 1939, 40 or 41 handle and tail plate... Go figure?
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: mo65 on August 14, 2016, 04:16:05 PM
A cool comparison: Dan's '38 headplate/'39 handle vs. my '39 headplate/'38 handle. 8)

                                                     :D "unidentical twins" :D
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb470/mo655/IMG_6296_zps8lfza6xt.jpg) (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/mo655/media/IMG_6296_zps8lfza6xt.jpg.html) (http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb470/mo655/004%202_1.jpg) (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/mo655/media/004%202_1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: coastal_dan on August 15, 2016, 03:12:36 AM
Neat comparison shot!  Thanks guys, happy to be her steward for a while 😀

And yes, knurled rear post...sort of odd, they were usually on knuckle-busters but just another oddity on this question mark reel, haha!
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: sdlehr on August 15, 2016, 01:15:59 PM
I also have a '38-'40 Long Beach with a knurled post like what was common on the Silver Beach. It was to be used with an after-market thumb stall (Penn didn't make one but Pflueger did) and worked a little better than the smooth posts because it allowed the thumb drag to stay in place more easily; that is the link between the knurled post and the knuckle-busters.

Sid
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: RowdyW on August 30, 2016, 09:52:25 PM
Joe, a 1990 & newer 190 Seaboy spool fits and is the only aluminum spool that will fit a 65 LB. They are availeable from SB&T. The original spools for the 65 were plastic or 1 & 3 piece ss.     Rudy
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: RowdyW on August 30, 2016, 10:05:50 PM
I'll bet that you will never forget that you can't load a plastic spool with mono.  ;D Sometimes we all learn the hard way. Contact FatTuna, he may have some used ones left from all the Seaboys he pieced out unless The Boss bought all he had.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: RowdyW on August 30, 2016, 10:13:46 PM
Joe, check my edit at the end of page one.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: thorhammer on August 30, 2016, 10:24:21 PM
Joe I had a nos chrome one but our man Sid needed it a few months back.  I learned about plastic spools with a pristine 501. 
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on August 30, 2016, 10:45:41 PM
Joe, take your pick and send me a PM with your address. They are all true spinners and nice condition. All four are different styles and all are LB65.

Thank you for your service to our country and our freedom.

 Ted
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Alto Mare on August 30, 2016, 11:56:14 PM
Good men Ted, I checked and have no 65's :-\.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: mo65 on August 31, 2016, 12:17:05 AM
I was going to mention the one you bought there...but I saw Ted's gracious offer and was humbled. Great spool ya got there...I like the stainless 65. 8)
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on September 02, 2016, 12:37:58 AM
.....and the last year of the old style plates. By late 1950 the old style plates were history. This one happens to be a southpaw in correct box :o

   Ted
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Ron Jones on September 03, 2016, 06:02:13 AM
My grandfather taught me the mono-plastic interlock when I was a kid. Sorry you had to find out the hard way.
Ron
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: theswimmer on September 03, 2016, 04:41:58 PM
Is the solution to load a hundred feet or so of Dacron and then spool mono on top of that?
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: RowdyW on September 03, 2016, 04:48:52 PM
It's probably best to load it 3/4 of dacron & top it off with mono.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on September 03, 2016, 08:00:28 PM
Huge improvement Joe. Looks like a brand new reel  :o :o :o

If you want to add a clamp stand and clamp, a 66, 309, or 209 seat will all fit the 65.

  Here is the 65 with the clamp seat.

  Ted
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 03, 2016, 08:04:10 PM
QuoteHere is the 65 with the clamp seat.

  Ted

That is just plain wrong! No fishing reel is supposed to be that pretty.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on September 03, 2016, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on September 03, 2016, 08:04:10 PM
QuoteHere is the 65 with the clamp seat.

  Ted

That is just plain wrong! No fishing reel is supposed to be that pretty.

...with all due respect(10 tons), I beg to differ :D :D :D. Here is my version of a dressed up LB65 ;). A 65 spool is in there somewhere :o :o :o

  Ted
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Alto Mare on September 03, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
Couldn't see anything but a bright light, I grabbed my sunglasses and the reel appeared. ::)
Beautiful....
Title: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Maxed Out on July 14, 2017, 08:08:48 PM
 It's a Long Beach 65 I got from the original owners son. Price on box says $9.00

Anyone have a clue what year this one is ??

Thanks, Ted
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: foakes on July 14, 2017, 08:49:30 PM
Hi Ted --

'49 catalog states $8.00

'50 catalog states $10.00

This is according to Mike's first book -- in the Summary section.

These were fair trade items -- however, there might have been regional variances due to shipping?

And we all know that Penn was wise, as well as consistently thrifty -- not necessarily consistant.

Mike will be able to put a year on it.

Seems like it should be around 1949-50 -- give or take a year.

Nice reel!

Love that blood red crank knob.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 14, 2017, 11:44:18 PM
Its a Beauty.
I love this era of the long beach.
Picture plate?
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Gfish on July 15, 2017, 12:24:08 AM
Part numbers?
Gfish
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Maxed Out on July 15, 2017, 01:05:23 AM

No picture plate Daron. These are the beginning of the newer style plates.

  The star is non numbered. All other parts are numbered.
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Superhook on July 15, 2017, 01:15:15 AM
Hello Ted,

You've done it again , an old pairing in great condition.

If you look at page #190 ( Catalog supplement) in Mike's yellow book it states that effective 1st September 1950 the LB#65 will be $9.00 .

Ray

Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Maxed Out on July 15, 2017, 03:15:05 AM

Heck, I forgot all about the price increase inserted in those catalogs

I happen to have one and it sure does say $9 for a lb65.

I knew you or Mike had the answer.....thanks Ray. Hope winter is treating you right.

  -Ted
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: wailua boy on July 15, 2017, 03:21:32 AM
I'm always blown away to the see the knowledge on this site...
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 15, 2017, 05:47:24 AM
QuoteHello Ted,

You've done it again , an old pairing in great condition.

If you look at page #190 ( Catalog supplement) in Mike's yellow book it states that effective 1st September 1950 the LB#65 will be $9.00 .

Ray

Thanks Ray, without you, there would be no books.....................<:O)
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Bill B on July 18, 2017, 01:41:14 AM
Based on the presence of some part numbers I would date it to around 1950, maybe a little earlier like 1949.....Im sure other will chime in...Bill
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 18, 2017, 05:15:15 AM
QuoteI'll try this'n here, sos not to add a whole new post. Like to try'n date this LB 60 with only 3 part numbers. Spool=29-60; handle screw=26-60; handle=24-155(kinda a diffrent lookin number stamp: digets larger than others but shallow).
Found a brass? Shim washer on topa the typical penn under-gear fiber washer, with 3 leather friction washers in the stack. You can see the "BARRACUDA" cast controler as a add on. Lube port on bridge say"grease". Stand with no visible numbers and had 2 screws from the side plate mixed up with the slightly shorter stand screws so possible upgrade add-on.
That's alla part numbers above after complete disassembly. Given the shape a the dog and with only one side of the bridge area formed for dog placement it had to have had a "leaf spring" that was missing. This is fun! Thanks aheada time!
Gfish

Your Long Beach is a Hybrid. Probably a late 1940's reel with a few servicing's over the years that have added numbered parts and incorrect parts. The handle is wrong, too small for a Long Beach. Should be part # 24-66. The thumb stall is an aftermarket piece from the 1930's. Really does not belong on a Penn reel that has a drag. I would consider this reel a parts reel. 
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 18, 2017, 05:28:14 AM
With that cracked plate. Its the deal breaker. :-\
Just sayin'
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 18, 2017, 02:48:47 PM
I would pay a few dollars for this reel. As long as the Penn 60 stand with the rod clamp does not have a part number on it..
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Maxed Out on July 22, 2017, 10:43:45 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on July 18, 2017, 02:48:47 PM
I would pay a few dollars for this reel. As long as the Penn 60 stand with the rod clamp does not have a part number on it..

Here is a long beach DL60 with rod clamp ;D ;D...........Any idea what year this one is ?? Brian ? Mike ? Ray ?
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Superhook on July 22, 2017, 11:36:20 PM
Ted , It has a waffle clicker . Must be circa 1938. Ray .
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: basto on July 23, 2017, 01:48:54 AM
Wow, they really were just like a smaller 3/0 senator.
Basto
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 25, 2017, 05:03:22 AM
QuoteWow, they really were just like a smaller 3/0 senator.
Basto

Exactly. The Long Beach Deluxe 250 yard is a 2/0 and the Long Beach Deluxe 300 is a 3/0. Good eye Basto!!
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Oceanreels on July 25, 2017, 01:39:48 PM
May be a 1937 as it does not have the lube cap on the handle grasp.
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Maxed Out on August 08, 2017, 06:02:45 PM
Quote from: Oceanreels on July 25, 2017, 01:39:48 PM
May be a 1937 as it does not have the lube cap on the handle grasp.

I was thinking it was 1936 because no oil port in the knob.

What would disqualify it from being a 1936  ???
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 09, 2017, 04:03:48 PM
QuoteWhat would disqualify it from being a 1936

They were not introduced until 1937, that might disqualify a 1936 classification.... :-\

The straight handle Deluxe models were only made in 1937 and 38. When Penn placed handles on reels back then, the hollow wood handle that is on your reel was basically interchangeable with the straight phenolic handle with the oil port. Usually on a high end reel like a LB Deluxe that did not happen; but, obviously it happened on the one you have. Ted, your reel is a 37 or 38, without supporting packaging, no real way to know what exact year it is. IMHO
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Maxed Out on August 10, 2017, 03:58:36 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 09, 2017, 04:03:48 PM
QuoteWhat would disqualify it from being a 1936

They were not introduced until 1937, that might disqualify a 1936 classification.... :-\

The straight handle Deluxe models were only made in 1937 and 38. When Penn placed handles on reels back then, the hollow wood handle that is on your reel was basically interchangeable with the straight phenolic handle with the oil port. Usually on a high end reel like a LB Deluxe that did not happen; but, obviously it happened on the one you have. Ted, your reel is a 37 or 38, without supporting packaging, no real way to know what exact year it is. IMHO

Thanks Mike, guess I should check the book before asking dumb questions LOL

 Ted
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Tightlines667 on August 10, 2017, 04:07:35 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 10, 2017, 03:58:36 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 09, 2017, 04:03:48 PM
QuoteWhat would disqualify it from being a 1936

They were not introduced until 1937, that might disqualify a 1936 classification.... :-\

The straight handle Deluxe models were only made in 1937 and 38. When Penn placed handles on reels back then, the hollow wood handle that is on your reel was basically interchangeable with the straight phenolic handle with the oil port. Usually on a high end reel like a LB Deluxe that did not happen; but, obviously it happened on the one you have. Ted, your reel is a 37 or 38, without supporting packaging, no real way to know what exact year it is. IMHO

Thanks Mike, guess I should check the book before asking find questions LOL

  Ted

Ted,
We all enjoy the questions..
and the answers.
Too bad there is no prize for the correct one ;)
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: mo65 on August 10, 2017, 04:57:57 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on August 10, 2017, 04:07:35 AM
Ted,
We all enjoy the questions..
and the answers.
Too bad there is no prize for the correct one ;)

   Exactly...I learn a lot from these question/answer posts. Cool reel Ted. 8)
Title: Re: What year is this reel ??
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 12, 2017, 05:31:07 AM
QuoteThanks Mike, guess I should check the book before asking dumb questions LOL

That was not a dumb question. You were only one year off without checking the book. That is pretty good. If I don't check the book I can even get the right decade................ ???
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: mikeysm on August 24, 2017, 11:46:29 PM
I have a longbeach 60 and I am restoring it. From what I read the penn jigmaster stainless sleeve should fit. But after trying it tha shaft on the bridge is to small. Was there a early design and I have one? If so can I change over to a newer on so the bridge will fit.

Mike
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: mo65 on August 25, 2017, 05:59:50 PM
Quote from: mikeysm on August 24, 2017, 11:46:29 PM
I have a longbeach 60 and I am restoring it. From what I read the penn jigmaster stainless sleeve should fit. But after trying it tha shaft on the bridge is to small. Was there a early design and I have one? If so can I change over to a newer on so the bridge will fit.

Mike

   Yes Mike, at some point in Penn's history they did use that smaller diameter bridge shaft and corresponding gear sleeve. I've ran into it on a Baymaster 180, a Silver Beach 99, a 259 Live Bait Caster, and a Super Mariner 49. Finding a replacement bridge for the LB 60 should be easy if you want to use that ss sleeve. 8)
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: foakes on August 25, 2017, 07:48:48 PM
If you don't have a 3-66, Mike --

Let me know and I will send one your way -- N/C.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: mo65 on August 25, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
   Hey guys, I just remembered the old #3-60 and #3-85 bridges will work also. 8)
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on October 26, 2018, 05:07:13 PM

Another lucky find. It is well used but no broken or chipped plates.

  Ted
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: mo65 on October 26, 2018, 06:20:55 PM
Bravo Ted! I love the mottled plates...great find! 8)
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 28, 2018, 05:15:30 AM
Great find Ted, Finding a mottled Long Beach is much harder than some of the other lower priced models. Are both side plates mottled like that or just the head plate?
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on October 28, 2018, 05:21:00 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 28, 2018, 05:15:30 AM
Great find Ted, Finding a mottled Long Beach is much harder than some of the other lower priced models. Are both side plates mottled like that or just the head plate?

Hi Mike, yes, both sides are mottled the same.

I have a few long beach with mottled tail plate only....seems to me that they didn't do as many mottled head plates
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 28, 2018, 06:15:10 AM
Great find, Ted!
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 30, 2018, 06:12:03 AM
QuoteGreat find Ted, Finding a mottled Long Beach is much harder than some of the other lower priced models. Are both side plates mottled like that or just the head plate?


Hi Mike, yes, both sides are mottled the same.

I have a few long beach with mottled tail plate only....seems to me that they didn't do as many mottled head plates

Could be, would have to go back in time to know for sure. I now think your mottled reel is even better with the mottling on both plates.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: kmstorm64 on May 20, 2019, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 03, 2016, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on September 03, 2016, 08:04:10 PM
QuoteHere is the 65 with the clamp seat.

  Ted

That is just plain wrong! No fishing reel is supposed to be that pretty.

...with all due respect(10 tons), I beg to differ :D :D :D. Here is my version of a dressed up LB65 ;). A 65 spool is in there somewhere :o :o :o

  Ted

Ted,

Are those factory out rings, or did you do that?  The recent 65 I acquired doesn't have the outer rings.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on May 20, 2019, 07:35:31 PM

Yes they are factory outer rings. The reel is a "deluxe" lb60, and only made for a few years from mid 30's to early 40's. This was prior to the small senators, so the deluxe long beach is actually a senator, but labeled as a long beach deluxe

Ted
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: kmstorm64 on May 20, 2019, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on May 20, 2019, 07:35:31 PM

Yes they are factory outer rings. The reel is a "deluxe" lb60, and only made for a few years from mid 30's to early 40's. This was prior to the small senators, so the deluxe long beach is actually a senator, but labeled as a long beach deluxe

Ted

Got it!
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: kmstorm64 on May 30, 2019, 02:55:10 PM
I am guessing mine must be plain jane newer model, as it doesn't have all that fancy artwork. This is my recent St. Vincent de Paul's $4.50 reel.  Green corrosion is pre-cleaning, and disassembled images are post cleaning. A lot of chrome pitting I am sorry to say.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Deepennz on December 28, 2020, 10:13:27 PM
Hi There,
In 1941 Penn produced the #65LS -  A plastic spooled version of the Penn 65 - although there was no mention of the plastic spool in the 1941,1942 catalogues.
This same spool, with that rib where the arbor meets the flange, was also used in the Delmar 286.
After the war, in 1946 -1948, Penn produced in their catalogues an ad. for the #60, #65, with a drawing of a LB60, with a plastic spool. Whilst the advert makes no mention about the make up of the spools, the yardages for the two models is clearly stated - Penn 60...200 yds no9
                                                                                                                                                     penn 65...250 yds no9, leaving collectors to believe that Penn was indeed producing plastic spooled #65's in 1946 - 1948.
The problem I have is that I cannot find any. It is relatively easy to find a LB 60 with that mid/late '40's smooth/more sculpted arbor/flange - but the #65 spool, with those design additions, is seemingly nonexistent. If it does exist, this spool would have only had a 3year production run, just for that one model(#65).
Has anybody seen this spool? Does it exist?
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: thorhammer on December 28, 2020, 11:17:58 PM
I bet Ted has all three year's worth in his safe  ;D
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: milne on December 29, 2020, 12:00:22 AM
Hi Martin,
              This is a real interesting topic, I know Ted is well verse with this topic, he made comment on one of my LS models regarding the additional reel seat option when I got mine.
I certainly don't have the answer here, but I was lucky enough to get both a 60ls and a 65LS boxed..
The 60ls has the plastic spool with the rib in the arbour, the 65LS has the smooth arbour. It was quite difficult in understanding there dates, as per mikes book stating that it wasn't listed in the catalogue. Mine are both standard yardage, but my 60LS also has that hex clicker, the 65LS has the standard hershy type.  I don't have too many Longbeach reels, which I am trying to do something about that  ;D.
Sorry to go off topic here, I just found the whole LS topic and there lack of info on the models very interesting.
The 200 and 250 models, with plastic spools is something I have never noticed before, I'm sure Ted or even Mike may have some interesting tid bits to add on these...

Col
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on December 29, 2020, 03:11:41 AM
 Hey Martin, any lb65 with a plastic spool is not an easy find. I do have one collecting dust that falls into 1946-48 category. It's all yours if you want it

Ted
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: mo65 on December 29, 2020, 02:44:39 PM
   Yes indeed...the ribbed arbor plastic 65 spool is tougher to find than the corresponding 60 plastic spool. It took me a good long while to find one, since I wasn't cool with paying collector's price. 8)
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Deepennz on December 29, 2020, 09:00:25 PM
Hi there,
Col.... thanks for the reply and photo -I also have both those L.S boxes, and reels.  Like yours, my 60 Ls also has a hex clicker, and that smooth, flat counterweight. I believe that you have posted a picture of your 60Ls tailplate elsewhere? and it has the fisherman engraving, no writing and the 'kiss' clicker?. If so, it is identical to mine.
There seems to be some confusion wrt the crossplate/reel foot on the pre war Long beaches. If you look at the 1940 catalogue (page 64 Mike's yellow book) all the long beaches are shown in one drawing (#60) with the standard, non clamp reel foot. All these feet came with yardage stamped on them.
In 1941 Penn changed the set up. The catalogue for 1941 now has a half page presentation of the LB60, 65 and the Seagate 125 (page78/yellow bk)
The drawing of the LB60 clearly shows the reel has a clamped reel foot. I have to assume from the ad. that the LB65 also came with a clamped reel foot.  The Seagate has the standard seat and plastic spool.
The catalogue drawing for the LB66,67 (page 82 y/bk) shows these also changed to the clamped reel foot. Some of the early clamped feet still had their yardage stamped on them.
This same pattern is repeated in the 1942 catalogue (pages 92, 96 Yellow bk). Although  the LB60 and LB65 both had plastic spools as per Mo's photo (thanks Mo!!) their point of difference (and hence price difference) was that they had the clamped reel foot -  the Seagate didn't. Both Col's 60Ls and Mo's 65Ls have the era correct clamped seat.
In the 1946 catalogue (Page 108 yellow/bk)  the LB60, 65 are clearly shown with just the standard non clamp seat, and plastic spool. The larger LB's retain their clamped stands. The Seagate is gone!!
So Col.. this is were it gets interesting. That Ls 65 reel in that photo of yours doesn't have a clamped reel seat, and it also seems to have a spool without that 'rib' ie is it an early '46 reel? ..any chance of a close up of that spool?

Hi Ted,
Obviously I thought of you and your collection of early LB's when I asked about the '46 -'48 LB65 spools ... What's interesting is that for a supposed production run of 3 years, they seem so elusive!! I would love to see a photo of your reel and spool...

Mike, Dom, Chris, John....?  Any thoughts?

Cheers
Martin



Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on December 30, 2020, 12:39:50 AM
 Martin, that same 1941 catalog has another page showing the prices of optional clamp seat. Those "optional" clamp seats were discontinued in the 1949 catalog.

Here is a 46'-48' lb65. It has the original seat
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Maxed Out on December 30, 2020, 12:42:26 AM
...oh, and a little extra light shows mottled sideplates on this one, but the spool is black
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: milne on December 30, 2020, 07:41:00 AM
Ted, that last reel with the mottled side plates is a beauty.....

Hi Martin,  The whole LS thing is quite confusing, I also thought, as Ted said, that it was an optional extra for the reel seat and the standard was the open one.  I've taken a photo of the spool for my 65LS, I honestly don't know how to exactly date this, it's a 300 yard reel, as per the box, but I haven't crossed referenced to catalogues, definitely no ribbed area in the arbor, its smooth,  unlike the 60LS which has the defined ridge in the arbour.
I hope the photo comes out ok, but you can see how the arbour is smooth...  
I'm so glad I snared these two long beach boxed LS reels, they were both from Ray's collection and I had absolutely no idea of how much of an anomaly they were when I bought them.....
Hope this photo comes out...

Col
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Cuttyhunker on March 21, 2021, 09:39:01 PM
Replacing the sleeves on some 65's I found one with a 3-60 bridge that Mo65 said earlier in this thread would fit the 65, however the 98-60 sleeve has a too large hole, works on the 3-66 not the 3-60. The one with the 60 bridge is an older reel and had been clearly opened up in the past.. Was the 3-60 original to the older 65's or a retrofit?  Mystic makes no comment about the 3-60 in the 65 only the 3-66.   Just curious.
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: RowdyW on March 21, 2021, 09:48:17 PM
Later LB 60's had a larger diameter post on the bridge.      Rudy
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Cuttyhunker on March 22, 2021, 07:47:24 AM
Thanks,
I ran into the same thing working on older 49's, you think this could be another dating tell for Penn? Was the move to the heavier post across the lineup all at once?  Looks like a 3-66 is on my Mystic list.     
Title: Re: 65 Long Beach
Post by: Cuttyhunker on April 20, 2021, 04:59:40 PM
Doing a little more homework, as Rudy taught me, I see the narrow post sleeve 98-60 is available for the older 3-60 bridge for 1/3 the cost of a new replacement 3-66 bridge. All of the failures I've had so far with the 3-60 had been the rounding of the sleeve tip, never the smaller diameter post getting bent out of position.