Post questions about this reel in this thread. They've been grouped together because they are identical except for width, so only the spools, posts and stands are different between the three models. The head plates and internals only differ by the number in the Penn logo, and the tail plates are all interchangeable.
Penn introduced the Long Beach 66 in 1936, the Long Beach 67 in 1939, and the Long Beach 68 in 1942. They differ only in width. The 66 is the same width as the 65, but the spool (and plate) diameter are larger. The 66 held 400 yds of No 9 linen line, the 67 500 yards and the 68 600 yards. Penn was a model of efficiency; that was a necessity during the depression, which was when Penn was born (actually in the first few years immediately following the depression). As the Penn selection grew so did the number of parts needed for repairs. This head plate, which shows no model number in the logo, could be used as a repair part for any of these models, and it is likely that this is exactly how this plate was born and used (I have to give credit to Mike Cacioppo for this revelation). Penn was many things, including cost-efficient. I actually have two of these plates, both came on the Long Beach 67, but they could have come on any of these models. I consider them rather unique, and they tell a little about Penn history and how the company became and stayed successful.
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Otto Henze realized he could decrease his inventory stores by stocking only one unmarked plate to repair the Long Beach models 66, 67 and 68. In case you can't read it, at the bottom of the logo are the words "Made in USA, Pat'd".
The LongBeaches are amazing to me. Senators are really just dressed up Long Beaches. What amazes me is that it took Newell to make the Senator that should have started it all with the YTS. One of these days I'll build a 66 with a Newell base, custom bars and a bunch of our goodies. Not sure what I'd call it, but it would be fun to bounce scampis off the bottom. How about a California Halibut Special?
Ron
Talking about the Long beach 66, back in the late 1930's, when this Long Beach was introduced, salesman wanted to show off this new big game / low price reel.
A common practice of most makers when introducing a new reel was to make a Cutaway. These Cutaways are made in very low numbers to hand out to salesmen and tackle shops in the Penn system. A few years ago a friend sent me a couple of pictures of a reel he fouond at a garage sale. I saw the pictures and was immediately interested. I was not sure exactly what it was; but, I knew I had to have it. So I made a offer and the reel was sent to me. These were the pictures I had to judge my offer by.
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Once I got the reel, I decided to take it down, clean it and add a few of the missing parts. Before I started I did not know whether this reel was a factory creation or a garage creation.
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I think it was the spool that first made me feel that this cut up reel had to be done in the Penn factory. it was just too on the money and the cut edges were chrome plated
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The side plates were also neatly done and well thought out. All that was necessary to keep the reel fully functional was still in place, the removed material was very well thought out to show the inner workings of the reel.
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When I finally found the handle I wanted on this old special reel, I finished it. A fully functioning, 1938 Penn Long Beach Model 66.
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This reel is the only 1930's cutaway I have ever seen. There must be others out there. Has anyone found any pre-war cutaway reels?
I never get tired of seeing that reel...
What a special piece, Mike. I've never seen one nearly as cutaway or detailed as that one. I would think for certain that LB is a factory piece.
Beautiful and thanks for sharing,
Dom
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What a special piece, Mike. I've never seen one nearly as cutaway or detailed as that one. I would think for certain that LB is a factory piece.
Beautiful and thanks for sharing,
Dom
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I never get tired of seeing that reel...
Happy to share. Wish I could remember what I have posted and what I have not posted. Something tells me I have posted these pictures before. No worries, just the ramblings of someone having a senior moment............<:O(
That reel is obviously defective, with many broken parts. I would just display it.
Thanks for blowing our minds again.
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Happy to share. Wish I could remember what I have posted and what I have not posted. Something tells me I have posted these pictures before. No worries, just the ramblings of someone having a senior moment............<:O(
Yes, you have, and I don't mind either. It's always good to see some of your old treasures.
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Happy to share. Wish I could remember what I have posted and what I have not posted. Something tells me I have posted these pictures before. No worries, just the ramblings of someone having a senior moment............<:O(
Yes, you have, and I don't mind either. It's always good to see some of your old treasures.
OK, here's the story, as I see it. I have heard that people have a dominant side of their brain which contributes to whether they are more artistic or more mechanically inclined. Sort of like saying the right side of the brain makes you an artist while the left side of your brain makes you engineer. In my head, these brain tendencies are at war, causing lapses in memory which make me repeat myself.
Thank you all for excusing my redundancy. My father always told me to never do anything perfect because in doing so, you remove the option of future improvement. I live by that rule.................................
You, good sir, are never allowed to apologize for posting images or information. We appreciate each bit we can drag out of you... ;D
QuoteYou, good sir, are never allowed to apologize for posting images or information. We appreciate each bit we can drag out of you... Grin
You are a funny guy...................<:O)
I was able to source two NOS Penn Longbeach 67's with box and paperwork. The only thing that shows a year are the manuals. How do I tell what year these might be from. I notice both reels have different spools. Should they be kept in their original state or modified/updated?
Here are some pics
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I believe the shiny spool is chrome plated & the duller one is a 3 piece stainless steel spool. The condition looks collectable or useable, it's up to you. I don't think either is rare or scarce.
I agree with Rowdy, besides the complete package, you ahve a good example of two 67's....I would fish them all day and have a good time....Bill
Yea thats what I was thinking of. Is either spool stronger than another? I think the 3 piece is a weaker one?
I would say that either spool will take the punishment that the reel was designed for. The chrome spool is made of a little thinner material & is slightly lighter in weight. Take your pick or fish them both. If you want to upgrade the drags a little remove the three 113 drag washers & replace them with five #60 CF washers & one more eared & one more keyed washer for a little more drag power. Rudy
On the fronta the boxes in the pics. at the bottom one address has a zip code "19132", an the other's "32" only. Clue?
Gfish
Postal Zip codes changed in 1963. However with Penn's long history of using all available stock, and the change in box style, we can reasonably assume 1960's era reels. I do not have my Penn Chronology book handy to look at the introduction of a SS spool......but you have the best clue with your manuals....What are the edition numbers on the manuals? Bill
QuotePostal Zip codes changed in 1963. However with Penn's long history of using all available stock, and the change in box style, we can reasonably assume 1960's era reels. I do not have my Penn Chronology book handy to look at the introduction of a SS spool......but you have the best clue with your manuals....What are the edition numbers on the manuals? Bill
Correct!! Zip codes changed in 1963; but, you will find Penn boxes selling into the late 1960's still using Zone Numbers instead of Zip Codes.
According to my catalogs, Stainless steel spools were introduced in 1980, so you will not find them mentioned in my books.
Speaking of my books, the soft cover Source Book is now available for sale at http://www.whitefishpress.com/bookdetail.asp?book=223 and for a 300 page reference book I feel Dr. Todd priced it right. All catalog years are represented from 1933 to 1957 with page by page reference of the catalogs.
That's what I'd do-use alla extra boxes, 'cept I'd getta employee to mark 'em all by hand with the right data. Got a thing about stuff like that, must more German influence in me than my ethnic background indicates.
Gfish
Quote from: RowdyW on December 22, 2016, 03:57:13 PM
I would say that either spool will take the punishment that the reel was designed for. The chrome spool is made of a little thinner material & is slightly lighter in weight. Take your pick or fish them both. If you want to upgrade the drags a little remove the three 113 drag washers & replace them with five #60 CF washers & one more eared & one more keyed washer for a little more drag power. Rudy
Sounds good Rudy thanks for the info! I'm still pondering if I use them or not!!
Quote from: TARFU on December 22, 2016, 05:09:42 PM
Postal Zip codes changed in 1963. However with Penn's long history of using all available stock, and the change in box style, we can reasonably assume 1960's era reels. I do not have my Penn Chronology book handy to look at the introduction of a SS spool......but you have the best clue with your manuals....What are the edition numbers on the manuals? Bill
One catalog is 36B and the other is 40B
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Here are the rods i received mated to the reel
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The "B" catalogs have a date in small print on the back cover.
Sid
I ran across an odd Long Beach today. It only has 3 bars, one on the front and back and one across the top where harness lugs might go. It had maroon sideplates and an older long beach logo. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Sheridan
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I ran across an odd Long Beach today. It only has 3 bars, one on the front and back and one across the top where harness lugs might go. It had maroon sideplates and an older long beach logo. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Sheridan
Is it a smaller diameter (i.e. 60 or 65 size) reel? The 1933, first year Long Beach only had three posts. But I don't think they made the bigger size reels at that time.
Go buy it!
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I ran across an odd Long Beach today. It only has 3 bars, one on the front and back and one across the top where harness lugs might go. It had maroon sideplates and an older long beach logo. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Sheridan
Is it a smaller diameter (i.e. 60 or 65 size) reel? The 1933, first year Long Beach only had three posts. But I don't think they made the bigger size reels at that time.
Probably a 1933 Long Beach, as Bryan suggested. If it is for sale, how much?
I was on a different mission and saw it. Don't know if he'll sell it. Has a few other reels I'm interested in just didn't know much about that one. Hoping he'll just take an arm. Sheridan
Psssst hey Sheridan ;), brother, I usually dont offer this, but buy it send it to me, no need to tell the authorities, I will dispose of it in an environmentally friendly way, and no one will have to know......We can just keep this between the two of us...... ::)
So have you got it yet.....we just gotta know ;D Bill
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Psssst hey Sheridan ;), brother, I usually dont offer this, but buy it send it to me, no need to tell the authorities, I will dispose of it in an environmentally friendly way, and no one will have to know......We can just keep this between the two of us...... ::)
So have you got it yet.....we just gotta know ;D Bill
Ha, good one brother Bill, but we've been down this road before and know that he just flashes the reel and won't sell. I'd show it off too if it were me ;D ;D -Ted
This is my oldest Long Beach in as I found it condition. Not sure what year it is. I'm going to try and get back down there today and bring it for comparison to the 3 post Long Beach. Wish me luck. Sheridan
Swami805,
Your LB is early 1938.
Ray
Interesting reel, especially the handle. Don't see that knob to often.
I got the 3 post Long Beach today, took a bit of doing. Not perfect but in decent shape for it's age
It is not just a 3 post, it is a brown plate, 3 post:)
Quote from: Tightlines666 on January 12, 2017, 03:45:46 AM
It is not just a 3 post, it is a brown plate, 3 post:)
More likely dark maroon John, just faded a bit.
Definitely an early 1933 long beach 65 and very nice find Sheridan.
The 1933 Long Beach can be tough to find, especially if you are looking for one.................<:O(
great reel! Now you just the other three for a complete 1933 set................................................. :)
Great pick up!
I saw her from across the crowded room("Habitat for Humanity", a warehouse size 2nd hand store), all silver and black and Penn conventional, an instant attraction, two jaded, faded, broke-down vintage oldsters in need. Me 1957 and she was perhaps early 1960's. A Penn LB 67. Some small talk, which quickly led to flirtation(testing all the functions) and latter we leave together. My mind on phyisical things such as mechanical improvements. What kind of improvements would she have in mind for me? Better physical technique? More emotional intelligence? Conventional wisdom?
Spool #29-67, chromed brass, stand#30-200(same as old JM500, I have, posts the same too, also the gearsleeve looks like the JM size, is the bridgeplate a 3-66 on the JM like on this one?) and most other numbered parts start with a "66". Aprox. Date of manufacture?
Two things: 1) the 24-55 handle -is it an upgrade or possibly original from factory.
2)The drag stack - had 2 non-metal washers that look kinda like asbestos with a under-the-gear lookin washer(smaller diameter than existing undergear washer) used somewhere in the stack. The asbestos lookin ones 'er 2.42 & 2.38 mm's. With that arrangement, last washer is just above the gear when assembled. Ever hear of asbestos used in fishing reel drags?
Questions/suggestions? Modify the drag stack? Leave it as is(could it be the orginal arrangement?)?
Overall the sturdyness of the reel don't look like like it'ed handle more'n 'bout 8lbs. a drag as it is now, even with an upgraded stack.
More pics. Note headplate port says: "LUBRICANT." Thinkin I'll put the dacron line on as backing, top it with 30 lb. and fish it, while I get Ideas to play around with. Can I geta s.s. sleeve for her? Mahalo aheada time!
Gfish, upgrade the drags with five 6-60 HT 100 washers and get one more eared and one more keyed washer to set it up as a 5 stack. I would use a new fiber washer under the main gear. SS sleeves are available also from SB&T & other sources. That spool will hold up ok with straight mono. That length of handle will do just fine but you might want a bigger knob. Rudy
Most definitely upgrade to HT 100 if you are going to fish the reel. Rudy is giving good advice for the drags.
The power handle on your reel is an option. Not installed in the factory.
Reel looks like a 1960's model. In the 1960's Penn used asbestos for drag material. It is good stuff but hazardous to work with. Better to use modern materials, don't know if they are hazardous yet................<:O)
Interesting, with the stack, starting at the bottom of the gear, put : asbestos-keyed-asbestos-eared-Carbon fiber cut to size-keyed, and it fits pretty good. Can/should asbestos be greased? It'ed keep the dust factor down, 'till I get the other metal washers, and then I can cut some CF's n' do a 5 stack
Also, thanks for posting in the "Penn vintage"sub-forum about the "A square" cast control bushing, Penn chronology. The 1950's JM I got off fleabay several years ago had one and with no name on it, could'nt search the net for it. All I could tell was, it was some kinda fancy bushing. Now, I even got the instructions from your post and put some 30wt. oil in like it says to. Can't wait to try it out. It's on the LB 67 now and in a pic. below.
Gfish
For the time being...
Quote from: Gfish on April 29, 2017, 08:35:47 AM
Interesting, with the stack, starting at the bottom of the gear, put : asbestos-keyed-asbestos-eared-Carbon fiber cut to size-keyed, and it fits pretty good. Can/should asbestos be greased? It'ed keep the dust factor down, 'till I get the other metal washers, and then I can cut some CF's n' do a 5 stack
Gfish, when you replace the drags, the 6-60 CF washers are thinner then the original 6-113 CF washers that the parts list calls for. You will probably have to file down the spacer sleeve about .030-.040"so that you can back the drags off enough. I wouldn't reuse the asbestos washers but if you do don't grease them. Just wrap them up & dump them. When you order the metal washers just buy the CF washers to be sure you have the right thickness. They are inexpensive from SB&T.
Quote from: Gfish on April 28, 2017, 03:23:35 PM
The drag stack - had 2 non-metal washers that look kinda like asbestos with a under-the-gear lookin washer(smaller diameter than existing undergear washer) used somewhere in the stack. The asbestos lookin ones 'er 2.42 & 2.38 mm's. With that arrangement, last washer is just above the gear when assembled. Ever hear of asbestos used in fishing reel drags?
Questions/suggestions? Modify the drag stack? Leave it as is(could it be the orginal arrangement?)?
Overall the sturdyness of the reel don't look like like it'ed handle more'n 'bout 8lbs. a drag as it is now, even with an upgraded stack.
Hey Gfish, I think that weird 3-stack(2 asbestos/1 undergear material) may have been stock. I've rebuilt 2 reels with that same arrangement...very odd. I just took it out of a black plate 4/0(same gearing) a few days ago and replaced with a 5 stack from Scott's. Just save all washers 'til ya reassemble...as I used one of the thick metal originals to reach correct stack height...so no need to file on the spacer. As far as the strength on the reel, it's a six post reel, should handle 15lbs. of drag alright. It is wide, which could lead to twist I suppose, if it was pushed real hard.8)
Mo, black plate 4/0 is 2 to 1 & LB 66, 67, 68, is 2.4 To 1.
Quote from: RowdyW on April 29, 2017, 05:59:40 PM
Mo, black plate 4/0 is 2 to 1 & LB 66, 67, 68, is 2.4 To 1.
Yep...because they use different pinions...but both use the #5-66 main.
So like I said it's not the same gearing. I was the one that switched the gearing in the original 113 4/0 & narrowed it with 66 parts. Later someone named it the grouper special.
Thank you fishin-gents! I ordered the extra 2 washers, under-the-gear washer and I got some C-tex material in 0.5 & 1.0 mm to cut. Testing it, I's tempted to change the knob, keep the handle, surprised by the casting ability( I think that 30 wt. oil filled bushing really works) and not at all used to the slow 2.3 :1 retrevial rate.
Advice n' comments n' information very much appreciated. Learnin, learnin learnin!
Gfish
I did some more research on that hybrid drag stack(2 asbestos washers/1 undergear washer) and sure enough...it's a stock Penn setup that was used in the big LBs and small Senators. In this pic from a 35B catalog they refer to it as "2 brake lining/1 red fibre". Interesting...:-\ Just a guess on my behalf, but it looks like three brake lining discs would have produced enough power to strain something, so they used one slick red fiber disc to lower the power a bit. Maybe someone more in the know will elaborate. 8)
Thanks, Mo. I was interseted in that, i've never seen or heard of it. You gotta wonder what other owners may a done or not, when you see somethin' like that. One Uncle, a plumber, passed away from asbestos related lung cancer...
Gfish
67-Update. External additions: "A Squared" cast control bushing on tail plate; power knob added to Penn 24-55 power handle; added an extra post to the top, just forward of center( so my thumb'ed fit in there for cast control). Internal stuff added: 2 magnets on tail plate; 5 stack drag system; pro-98-60 stainless 10 tooth gear sleeve.
So what do I got now?: a low speed--high torque, high line capacity(using 70% braid) ~50yr. old conventional Penn. One Ohana member described the Senator series as dressed up Long Beach's, sounds reasonable. I have 2 things to control spool overrun. Hopefully a strengthed frame, that was in, my opinion, weak looking (6 bottom 1/2-of-the-reel only posts, and only 4 stand screws and all the frame screws pretty small in diameter). A trustworthy gear sleeve with less backplay. A smoother drag, probably good for 15lbs.
As nasty as this reel was inside and out when I first got it, I don't think it was worked too hard while it was being fished. It's smooth, quiet, and shifts easier than all my other Penn's. Should bea good kayak trolling/bottom fishing reel with the low maintenance bushings insteada ballbearings. She's a Keeper!
Gfish
G-fish the hole in the plate for the upper post looks to deep. It looks like the only thing holding the post is the inner rings. Nice job though. Rudy
I like it Gfish...the coolest reels are the ones someone modifies for their specific interest. 8)
Quote from: RowdyW on June 02, 2017, 04:05:43 AM
G-fish the hole in the plate for the upper post looks to deep. It looks like the only thing holding the post is the inner rings. Nice job though. Rudy
Nice job, G-Fish --
The hole on the top post may be too deep -- hard to tell if it makes any difference though...
If a concern -- just pop in a small SS washer -- epoxy the hole flush -- let it dry for a day -- then redrill it as you judge to be correct -- reinsert the screw.
This will give the thin plate a little more stability and holding strength since these do not have exterior rings.
Good work!
Best,
Fred
Hi,
I just cracked open an old (I assume it's old...no part #'s, scenic tail plate, and externally serviced drag ?) Long Beach 67 today, and see that there is a felt" washer" (sand seal, maybe ?) that has seen better days.......and doesn't seem to be on the parts list, anymore....does someone have one they could measure ? If you could post the dimensions, I could cut one.........Thanks ! Oh !! One more, before I go...it has a 5 stack drag, already, and I see the "wave washer"was installed on the "outside" of the spacer....just a mix-up ?, Or, with the Outside serviceable drag...is that the way it was done ? Thanks Again !
it's not necessary. you can leave it out.
Thanks !
The wavy washer does go on top of the spacer.
Ted
OK, Thank you ! With all the reels I have been acquiring....I'll have to get a bigger RV to haul them all to the Gulf Coast , this winter ! Although, I *may* have some extra room, as my wife says she'll leave me if I buy any more !....I WILL miss her apple pie ::)!
I found, when I started assembly, that the reel "stand" had been pretty badly *tweaked" at some point....so, I used the two favorite tools in my box....a hammer and a pair of pliers....and did a little "tweaking" of my own ! I'll keep an eye out for a different stand, but since nothing on the reel has part #'s, I'd like to keep it that way.....it's not "nice enough" to be a "collector's piece", by any means, but, I'd like to think I kept it as "original" as possible, while still making it fishable . Lots of chrome loss makes her look pretty " shabby ", but that way it matches the rest of my gear !
Since the long beach 68 was introduced just prior to the war, it's not likely many pre war models made it out of the factory. Finding a non numbered 1940's long beach 68 is no easy task. Finding one from Nebraska with zero salt water use is an incredibly lucky find !!
Ted
Pretty! I've never checked any of my reels for numbering. Prolly should. I know there are some waffle clickers, grooved levers etc mixed in all that stuff.
Man that reel looks new. Ted with a Nebraska "connection". Nice reel Ted
I picked up a Long Beach 66 for a nice price, leaving me some room to spruce it up without over investing. We all know how easy it is to spend way more than the reel is worth. :-\ This 66 looked fine over all, but the posts and stand were a bit too worn. These eBay pics show the general condition.
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The stand on the left matches the condition of the spool and rings better than the original on the right.
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The drag stack at the top of this pic is what I found inside the reel. Interesting...it appears to be a copy of the 130 Sailfisher's stack...2 leather/3 red fiber discs.
I got a kick out of it and decided to replace it with the original LB66 stack shown at the bottom of the photo. That's 2 brake lining/1 red fiber, and no, it's not as smooth as greased carbon fiber.
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Hey now...that's a fine lookin' early fifties LB66. With a set of polished stainless steel posts the transformation is complete.
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I'm still surprised by the number of local old timers who catfish these reels. My favorite feature on these early Penns is the picture tail plate. 8)
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That cleaned up great ! I really like those "pictures" on the plates, as well.
As to "spending more than the reel is worth".....I guess there are several ways to look at that....for those that enjoy going to music concerts, for example....$80 for tickets, $30 for eats, and $10 for gas....for an evenings entertainment. vs. An E-bay reel for $25, parts from Scott's @ $30, maybe another $20 for a donor reel, and another $20-$30 for postage, grease, etc.........and you not only had a days "entertainment".....but , you still have the reel.....and who knows how many enjoyable hours you will have fishing it, looking at it.....and maybe, bragging about it ?
Crow
I totally agree. Hard to find a new reel with moulded picture tail plates now.
Basto
QuoteAs to "spending more than the reel is worth".....I guess there are several ways to look at that....for those that enjoy going to music concerts, for example....$80 for tickets, $30 for eats, and $10 for gas....for an evenings entertainment. vs. An E-bay reel for $25, parts from Scott's @ $30, maybe another $20 for a donor reel, and another $20-$30 for postage, grease, etc.........and you not only had a days "entertainment".....but , you still have the reel.....and who knows how many enjoyable hours you will have fishing it, looking at it.....and maybe, bragging about it ?
Absolutely brilliant!!
Quote from: mo65 on November 16, 2017, 03:51:50 PM
I picked up a Long Beach 66 for a nice price, leaving me some room to spruce it up without over investing. We all know how easy it is to spend way more than the reel is worth. :-\ This 66 looked fine over all, but the posts and stand were a bit too worn. These eBay pics show the general condition.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4575/37574776845_830f3630a0_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zfmy56) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4586/38461242601_d36592ea38_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AFVsr)
The stand on the left matches the condition of the spool and rings better than the original on the right.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4575/37574779545_beb0f01c74_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZfmySD)
The drag stack at the top of this pic is what I found inside the reel. Interesting...it appears to be a copy of the 130 Sailfisher's stack...2 leather/3 red fiber discs.
I got a kick out of it and decided to replace it with the original LB66 stack shown at the bottom of the photo. That's 2 brake lining/1 red fiber, and no, it's not as smooth as greased carbon fiber.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4562/24589189978_a5a8e16c16_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DsS2vm)
Hey now...that's a fine lookin' early fifties LB66. I'm still surprised by the number of local old timers who catfish these reels.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4564/38461243801_eb497704a6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AFVP8)
My favorite feature on these early Penns is the picture tail plate. 8)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4567/37574778405_97a7719419_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZfmywZ)
Mo, that is one sweet 66 you brought back to life. Nicely done !!.....and how could anyone not love that cool knob !!
Quote from: Crow on November 16, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
That cleaned up great ! I really like those "pictures" on the plates, as well.
As to "spending more than the reel is worth".....I guess there are several ways to look at that....for those that enjoy going to music concerts, for example....$80 for tickets, $30 for eats, and $10 for gas....for an evenings entertainment. vs. An E-bay reel for $25, parts from Scott's @ $30, maybe another $20 for a donor reel, and another $20-$30 for postage, grease, etc.........and you not only had a days "entertainment".....but , you still have the reel.....and who knows how many enjoyable hours you will have fishing it, looking at it.....and maybe, bragging about it ?
I'd have to agree and I am part musician too. I figure I save quite a bit bringing a packed lunch to work instead of eating out. I'd say 2 days buys a reel, another shipping, and another some part from Scott's B+T, and maybe one more for a bottle of wine to appease anyone who is suspicious of the venture :)
Quote from: Maxed Out on December 07, 2017, 07:31:06 PM
Mo, that is one sweet 66 you brought back to life. Nicely done !!.....and how could anyone not love that cool knob !!
I was wondering if anyone would mention that interesting green/butterscotch handle knob. I remember thinking if anyone would...it would be Ted! Merry Christmas buddy. 8)
Shown is the tail plate from a Penn 66. Anyone know the age? The handle knob color is dark brown.
Thanks,
Keith
bearing looks non-numbered. with the shape of the knurl and the knob color i'd say pre-war
Thanks,
The sideplates are flat and thick. Its a customer reel he got from his grandfather. He is going to fish it. Steel gear.
Keith
Hard to see the counter weight, that would be the true tell. I would guess at late 1940's. A early post war reel.
John, or Mike, or whoever... From the photos it looks like there is a number stamped on the tail plate bushing and on the handle screw. But, it is only about three digits and not the full hyphenated part number. Was this some sort of transitional thing?
Great that he is going to fish with it Keith.
-steve
Steve could that be 'OIL' :-\
Yeah, you're right Chris. Sorry for the confusion. I'm so dumb.
-steve
The counter weight is smooth all the way around.
QuoteThe counter weight is smooth all the way around.
That is a trait of a late 1940's handle style.
Hey guys,
I have a LB 66 which sounds like the spool is rubbing when in free spool if the reel is tilted so that the handle side is below it. But, I'm not hearing anything when the gears are engaged. I was thinking it might need a new set of clutch springs. If the spool were warped I thought I might see that and it should make noise when gears are engaged too, maybe. I probably would not be tilting the reel in that way, but I shouldn't fish it, right? Love the handle knob on this thing...it must be older being a darker red and nicer detail in my opinion.
either needs adjustment by taking the play out of the spool side to side movement to a 1/10" or may be worn side bearing...................Joe
If the noise is from the frame rubbing, I agree with Joe. It may also be the pinion not completely disengaging from the spool (I've made the mistake.) In that case, bending the ears on the clutch so they pull the pinion back a little further will do the job.
Ron
So far I have ruled out the handle side bearing...swapped it out with one in a smooth running LB 66 and no improvement. It also is a 2 pulse per rotation problem. Thanks for the ideas.
2 pulse per rotation sounds an awful lot like the pinion to me. I lived with this A LOT before Alan taught me how to fix it.
Ron
Quote from: Ron Jones on September 12, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
2 pulse per rotation sounds an awful lot like the pinion to me. I lived with this A LOT before Alan taught me how to fix it.
Ron
Do you mean a problem with the pinion itself (like being worn) or that it is not disengaging. If the latter, then rather than bending the yoke (I'm a little nervous about that) I am thinking about replacing the clutch springs.
Edit: My apologies...I was confused on how it worked. Springs compressed = spool disengaged. Springs are not the problem. I will try bending ever so slightly!
It worked!! For the record, what I purposely bent the ears on was the "eccentric jack" (part 11-66). Took 3 tries to get it. 1st time not enough. 2nd time too much / would not get into gear. Posted a picture of the knob because it seems a little older and less common. Well, we shall fish her this weekend. Thanks gentlemen!
Thanks for posting your fix. I am glad you worked it out..........................Joe
Quote from: grekim on September 12, 2018, 11:42:50 PM
It worked!! For the record, what I purposely bent the ears on was the "eccentric jack" (part 11-66). Took 3 tries to get it. 1st time not enough. 2nd time too much / would not get into gear. Posted a picture of the knob because it seems a little older and less common. Well, we shall fish her this weekend. Thanks gentlemen!
This is one of those common problems that rears it's head quite often...glad it worked for you! I have a few reels myself that could benefit from this fix. Too bad you have to completely disassemble to perform it...oh well...the practice is good for us all! 8)
Quote from: mo65 on September 13, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: grekim on September 12, 2018, 11:42:50 PM
It worked!! For the record, what I purposely bent the ears on was the "eccentric jack" (part 11-66). Took 3 tries to get it. 1st time not enough. 2nd time too much / would not get into gear. Posted a picture of the knob because it seems a little older and less common. Well, we shall fish her this weekend. Thanks gentlemen!
This is one of those common problems that rears it's head quite often...glad it worked for you! I have a few reels myself that could benefit from this fix. Too bad you have to completely disassemble to perform it...oh well...the practice is good for us all! 8)8)
A first for me. It made me realize that should store my reels in the "on" position so that clutch springs are uncompressed. Also, I am wondering if instead of bending the jack, if putting some washers on top of the yolk would be effective. Seems that bending the ears increases the range of movement in/out, wheras adding some washers would keep the range, but set the place where it moves a little "deeper". Let's just say I didn't feel good about bending parts.
Want to have a laugh. I worked on a 155 today that had just about the same problem. It needed full service so I broke it down and cleaned it up. Then I proceeded to attack the free spool and clicking problem like it was the clutch situation. I found that the pinon was not clearing the bridge so I tried bending the ears on the Ecc. jack, after doing that it was no better.
Hmmm what the heck ??? Then I happened to look at the eccentric lever and eccentric low and behold there was play in it back and forth. I took the old lever off and replaced it with a new one, it tightened it up and it worked perfect. So there is another solution to the same situation.
Joe
Quote from: Reel 224 on September 13, 2018, 11:47:46 PM
Want to have a laugh. I worked on a 155 today that had just about the same problem. It needed full service so I broke it down and cleaned it up. Then I proceeded to attack the free spool and clicking problem like it was the clutch situation. I found that the pinon was not clearing the bridge so I tried bending the ears on the Ecc. jack, after doing that it was no better.
Hmmm what the heck ??? Then I happened to look at the eccentric lever and eccentric low and behold there was play in it back and forth. I took the old lever off and replaced it with a new one, it tightened it up and it worked perfect. So there is another solution to the same situation.
Joe
Nice! Good to keep an open mind on these matters.