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Title: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:15:06 AM
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Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Keta on April 08, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
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How many left hand 349/349H reels did Penn sell?
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: sdlehr on April 08, 2016, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: Keta on April 08, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:15:06 AM
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How many left hand 349/349H reels did Penn sell?
Is this a trick question? PennParts doesn't list a left-handed version of the 349... that would make the answer to your question zero.

Sid
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Maxed Out on April 08, 2016, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: Keta on April 08, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
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How many left hand 349/349H reels did Penn sell?


   You are a funny guy Lee. Thanks for the laugh


  Ted
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 08, 2016, 08:55:19 PM
The answer to that question is less than one million but more than one hundred. The left hand 349 was introduced in 1963 in the number 25 catalog, five years after the model was introduced in 1957. No production numbers exist.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: RowdyW on April 08, 2016, 11:27:18 PM
I know that there is a least one because I traded one to Lee a couple of years ago for a jigmaster 500.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: sdlehr on April 09, 2016, 01:26:35 AM
How common are red side plates on the 349?

Sid
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: RowdyW on April 09, 2016, 02:14:41 AM
I think all the last H models had red plates. I never saw an HC model with red plates.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Keta on April 09, 2016, 02:46:03 AM
Quote from: sdlehr on April 08, 2016, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: Keta on April 08, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
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How many left hand 349/349H reels did Penn sell?
Is this a trick question? PennParts doesn't list a left-handed version of the 349... that would make the answer to your question zero.

Sid

Not a trick question, I have one thanks to Rowdy.  Rowdy, thank you so much for the trade, I have replaced all the bad parts and it is in good shape now and it is in a special place in my collection.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: sdlehr on April 09, 2016, 03:28:55 AM
I find the x49 reels confusing. They all have basically the same size and shape; but the differences are many and varied. The 49 has two eccentric levers, one is to disengage the anti-reverse. It has a two-screw stand. The 149 has two trim rings on the left, inner and outer, and one on the right, inner. The 249 looks like a knuckle-buster, has no trim rings, but came with an optional anti-reverse(?). Does that mean that those with the AR just have a ratchet on the sleeve and a dog on the bridge that the others do not? Why didn't they make this AR standard like every other reel in 1957? The 349 came in C, H and HC models and is a more heavily-constructed reel with a 3-screw stand, a one-piece chromed cast bronze spool, and lugs. There were 2.5:1 and 3.5:1 gear ratios. I've seen 349's with two eccentric levers as in the 49, and also with only one. I have yet to master the differences between models of the 49, 149, 249 and 349C, 349H and 349HC.

Can someone help me understand the variety of features in such similarly-shaped reels with different functions? It's late, and it's hurting my brain to try to understand this. Mike's books and PennParts are my only resources here, and Mike purposely doesn't go into detail on all these permutations and combinations that all look so similar.

I only have a 49 to date. I find that the best way to understand Penn reels and their differences is to hold them in my hands... but I only have one of the series.... It really helped me to understand the Long Beach series when I laid all the different models down next to each other to compare width and plate sizes, as well as plate design (picture or plain, etc). I don't want to buy 5 more reels so that I can understand the differences between them.... I'll probably eventually end up with the whole series, but I have to pace myself buying.


Sid

Thanks in advance.

Sid
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Keta on April 09, 2016, 04:32:44 AM
349 and 349H parts are 100% interchangeable.

Here's a photo of a 15-349 and a 15-349LH.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/89eaf445-4f16-4f06-b8c4-e0e7d567eef8_zps403f8c7a.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/89eaf445-4f16-4f06-b8c4-e0e7d567eef8_zps403f8c7a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Keta on April 09, 2016, 04:36:44 AM
Photo of 349 and 349H gears, I have the yoks and pinion gears mixed up.  Right main gear, left pinion and yoke are 349.  The drag stack on the right is stock 349 with one R&D SS washer.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/349Edit_zpse300f2ef.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/349Edit_zpse300f2ef.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: sdlehr on April 09, 2016, 06:11:52 PM
Thanks for posting these pics, Lee. That is helpful. Rudy (RowdyW) just left my house after a couple hours of visit and he had brought his 149 and 349 over and I actually held them in my hands and was able to study them, but we didn't crack them open. Interesting how different the AR dogs you pictured are between the RH and LH models.... I guess if Penn made a LH head plate instead of putting LH parts in the RH head plate the dogs would be the same shape.... I'm starting to wrap my head around this series of reels. Thank you.

Sid
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: surfcaster on April 09, 2016, 08:11:52 PM
Just wanted to post pics of my 2 349h bottom fishing machines , that have been collecting dust ever since the Feds closed the local fishing jefferies ledge /gulf of maine fishing grounds in new england...


                                                                                                                                                                                                     [(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o774/richiec72/th_DSC_0002_zps7zzl69gk.jpg) (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/richiec72/media/DSC_0002_zps7zzl69gk.jpg.html)   


The left is a smooth drag 5+1 9/0 drag stack yo-yo's  20oz jigs 2-300 ft down & has filled many coolers.  & On the right has a larger diameter/ more washer custom Keta 7 drag stack. probably gonna have to wait the ban out or book a halibut trip to alaska to try out.  Semper Fi,Richie                                                                                                         
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Ishman 306 on September 08, 2016, 01:48:07 PM
Is the left drag stack factory 349H?  Getting into mine now, but haven't gotten to the drag yet.  If not factory, can you expand on the details of the stack, part number, etc?

Quote from: Keta on April 09, 2016, 04:36:44 AM
Photo of 349 and 349H gears, I have the yoks and pinion gears mixed up.  Right main gear, left pinion and yoke are 349.  The drag stack on the right is stock 349 with one R&D SS washer.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/349Edit_zpse300f2ef.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/349Edit_zpse300f2ef.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Makule on September 09, 2016, 05:03:43 AM
QuoteI have yet to master the differences between models of the 49, 149, 249 and 349C, 349H and 349HC.

That makes two of us.  When you find out, let me know.  I have a couple of 349s but don't know which they are.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Maxed Out on September 09, 2016, 06:05:38 AM
Quote from: Makule on September 09, 2016, 05:03:43 AM
QuoteI have yet to master the differences between models of the 49, 149, 249 and 349C, 349H and 349HC.

That makes two of us.  When you find out, let me know.  I have a couple of 349s but don't know which they are.

  Never fear, the answer you seek is here  :D :D  This image is from catalog 36b. Click on pic for enlarged view :o :o

 Ted
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: George4741 on September 09, 2016, 06:06:48 AM
Quote from: Makule on September 09, 2016, 05:03:43 AM
QuoteI have yet to master the differences between models of the 49, 149, 249 and 349C, 349H and 349HC.

That makes two of us.  When you find out, let me know.  I have a couple of 349s but don't know which they are.
I'll tell you what I know about the 349's.  The 349 is a 2.3:1 gear ratio and has one freespool lever.  The 349H and 349HC have a 3.25:1 ratio.  The 349H has one lever and the 349HC has two levers which serve the same purpose as those on the 49.  "H" stands for high-speed and "C" stands for convertible.  All of the head plates are marked 349, so you must count the revolutions of the spool to determine if you have the 349 or 349H.  

You can easily swap gears in these reels to change it from low to high speed and vice versa.  You can install the slow gears in a two lever head plate and have a 349C, which I believe the factory never produced.  Everyone thoroughly confused?  Good!  Now I'm waiting for someone to come along and correct me. ;)  

Ishman, I've forgotten what is needed for the 7-drag stack, as is shown in Lee's (Keta's) photo.  Perhaps he'll chime in here and fill you in.

George  

Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: George4741 on September 09, 2016, 06:10:17 AM
I see that while I was typing my previous response Ted posted a photo of the catalog to help explain things.  Thank You Ted.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 09, 2016, 07:19:25 AM
The 349 was introduced in 1957. It was first introduced in four models. One of them was the 349C.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels/Figure%20401%20876%20x%20686_zpsobi7tj18.jpg)

The 349C was made up to 1961. From 1962 the 349 was only offered in three versions as it is shown on the catalog page posted by Ted. Catalog 36B is a 1976 catalog.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 09, 2016, 07:40:59 AM
QuoteI find the x49 reels confusing.

The 49, 149 and 249 reels are dimensionally the same. I believe Penn made them at different design levels to offer them to a broad customer base. By offering them with the variety of configurations they were offered in, Penn was able to set price points for every pocket book. We have to consider the time period. The 49, 149 and 249 were all introduced in 1939. There was not a lot of money floating around then. These reels were all offered as Deep Sea Reels and wire line trolling reels. They were meant to put meat on the table, so lowering the costs had a great appeal back then. Also, many fisherman were accustomed to very simple reels, so a simple knuckle buster style was an acceptable product for the times.

The 349 was introduced into a much healthier and growing economy, so Penn pulled out all the stops and made a more highly refined reel for the same size class.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: mhc on September 09, 2016, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on September 09, 2016, 07:19:25 AM
The 349 was introduced in 1957. It was first introduced in four models. One of them was the 349C.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%2049%20and%20349%20reels/Figure%20401%20876%20x%20686_zpsobi7tj18.jpg)

The 349C was made up to 1961. From 1962 the 349 was only offered in three versions as it is shown on the catalog page posted by Ted. Catalog 36B is a 1976 catalog.

Thanks Mike, like George, I hadn't heard of a '349C'. There appears to be a typo on the catalog page shown, the 4th model is listed as "No. 349C as 349H but with convertible star drag..." and should be No. 349HC as 349H.....

Mike
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: George4741 on September 09, 2016, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: George4741 on September 09, 2016, 06:06:48 AM

You can easily swap gears in these reels to change it from low to high speed and vice versa.  You can install the slow gears in a two lever head plate and have a 349C, which I believe the factory never produced.  Everyone thoroughly confused?  Good!  Now I'm waiting for someone to come along and correct me. ;)  
Alrightee, I stand corrected. ;D

The good thing is, if you can't find a particular variation you can easily assemble one from parts that are usually available on eBay.  My two working reels are single lever models, 349 and 349H.  I don't want or need the knucklebuster lever.  
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Keta on September 09, 2016, 01:11:46 PM
I have a factory two lever LH 349H.... :D

Quote from: George4741 on September 09, 2016, 06:06:48 AM
Ishman, I've forgotten what is needed for the 7-drag stack, as is shown in Lee's (Keta's) photo.  Perhaps he'll chime in here and fill you in.

You need .020" CF washers and .037" metal washers.  Smooth Drag sells a 5 washer set fr or the high speed gears and I still have a few sets for the low speed gears.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 09, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
QuoteThanks Mike, like George, I hadn't heard of a '349C'. There appears to be a typo on the catalog page shown, the 4th model is listed as "No. 349C as 349H but with convertible star drag..." and should be No. 349HC as 349H.....

The 1957 Catalog introduction of the 349 was typographically not ready for prime time. They got it straight in 1958 and the four models stayed logically labeled until their final 1961 showing. Here's the 1958 catalog presentation.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20CAtalogs/1958%20Penn%2021%20Type%20A%20Catalog--pg.%205%20798%20x%20617_zps8k6sxfhh.jpg)
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Maxed Out on September 09, 2016, 07:17:31 PM
 You are right again Mike, the '57 color pocket catalog 349 intro was on page 1, but very little info on each model.

  George, you are right about typo. They got it right on this pocket catalog.

 Ted
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 09, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
QuoteYou are right again Mike, the '57 color pocket catalog 349 intro was on page 1, but very little info on each model.

 George, you are right about typo. They got it right on this pocket catalog.

 Ted

I dated that Pocket Catalog at a 1956 issue. Why is that?

After going through the  Color Pocket Catalog, I believe Ted is right. It is a 1957 catalog. I suspect I wanted it to be 1956 because 1956 really needs a better catalog than it has; but, it is what it is. Ted is right again!............................. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Maxed Out on September 10, 2016, 01:06:29 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on September 09, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
QuoteYou are right again Mike, the '57 color pocket catalog 349 intro was on page 1, but very little info on each model.

 George, you are right about typo. They got it right on this pocket catalog.

 Ted

I dated that Pocket Catalog at a 1956 issue. Why is that?

After going through the  Color Pocket Catalog, I believe Ted is right. It is a 1957 catalog. I suspect I wanted it to be 1956 because 1956 really needs a better catalog than it has; but, it is what it is. Ted is right again!............................. ??? ??? ???

 Mike, in your defense you did put 1956/57 on the envelope you sent the catalog back in. You were right all along and I was just feeding off your observations. Of course you knew it was '57 from the 349 intro. You are still the professor and we are all wanna be graduates of your class......if that's even possible  :D :D :D :D

I think it would be a good thing to have a picture of the catalog introduction for each model......for every one of the Penn model threads that Sid posted.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: George4741 on September 10, 2016, 02:00:13 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 09, 2016, 07:17:31 PM
You are right again Mike, the '57 color pocket catalog 349 intro was on page 1, but very little info on each model.
George, you are right about typo. They got it right on this pocket catalog.

Ted
I think Mike pointed out the typo, not me.  
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Makule on September 10, 2016, 04:37:52 AM
Ok, so my two reels are the regular 349s, but they have been "fixed" with all kinds of stuff (I don't recall what).
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j428/royhilo/DSC_00041_zpslm4my3x8.jpg)

(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j428/royhilo/DSC_00021_zpsuknwjzk5.jpg)
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: George4741 on September 10, 2016, 04:56:11 AM
Albert, your red 349 looks like it has a wide Wahoo Special frame and spool. 
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 10, 2016, 05:31:56 AM
QuoteMike, in your defense you did put 1956/57 on the envelope you sent the catalog back in. You were right all along and I was just feeding off your observations. Of course you knew it was '57 from the 349 intro. You are still the professor and we are all wanna be graduates of your class......if that's even possible  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I think it would be a good thing to have a picture of the catalog introduction for each model......for every one of the Penn model threads that Sid posted.

Nope, no graduates. We are all Pennheads here.

A introduction catalog scan of every model Penn made. That would certainly be a project. Scan every introduction for every model, shrink them to a upload size for Photobucket and then copy and paste them here. I may have to plan that for a future time. No way I would have time for that now.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Makule on September 11, 2016, 12:53:39 AM
You are probably correct.  The guy I got the reels from described all the upgrades, but I didn't pay too much attention.  I just knew they were a good deal so I got them.  Of course, after getting them, they just sit in the cabinet drawer, but at least not collecting dust.  Just waiting for a better home.

Quote from: George4741 on September 10, 2016, 04:56:11 AM
Albert, your red 349 looks like it has a wide Wahoo Special frame and spool. 
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: JRD on September 18, 2016, 12:07:12 AM
The thread on Lee Pro hooked me so I bought one, now to find the drag washers.  In that thread it was mentioned they are similar to the 349.  Sooo of course I have Master Mariners on the mind and see this in Longfin's case today during their event.  Now being obsessive I had to buy it.  Funny thing is the Tib frame has an engraved name and an applique name, going in opposite directions.  Hmmmm?  AND it was 20% off.  Not sure what I will do with it but I got one.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Bill B on September 18, 2016, 02:43:59 AM
That's a good looking reel brother. Only thing to do is fish it ;D. Bill
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: diamonddave on June 14, 2017, 02:30:35 AM
scored a 349 on ebay today waiting to get it from the picture on the listing looks like a good one.  Dave
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Bill B on June 14, 2017, 04:59:14 AM
Cool beans Dave....make sure to post some pictures....Bill
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Crow on September 25, 2017, 06:17:26 PM
Hi, All !
       I just received a 349HC (e-bay purchase) today, and couldn't resist having a peek inside. I removed the wire line, and backing, removed the handle, and thought I'd take a look at the drags...and that's where I started getting a bit "confused" ???!  The reel has obviously just been serviced, and new drags installed, but the way they have it "stacked"  ::)! Starting at the main gear, there are two (2) CF washers, then a (what appears to be stainless)keyed washer, then two more CF, and "eared" washer, then two more CF, then the last "keyed" washer.....then the rest of the components...the heavy "thrust" type washer, a wave, the spacer, another wave, the star, and finally the handle. I don't understand what 2 CF washers are doing, right next to one another ???, and then to do that three times ?...were the "original" drag washers very thick leather ,and they needed to "use up some space, or what ?
    I see that drag parts are no longer available from Scott's, and from the schematic, it appears the original was a "three stack" set-up.....is it possible to "5 stack this reel ?, and what do I need for metals (I assume e-bay !), to do it. These metals are all quite "thick", and I doubt , even by reducing the CF's to just 5 (instead of 6), that I have room to get both the needed "eared"washers in the gear. Does anyone make a 5-stack "kit"...or thinner metal washers for this reel ? Or, should I just forget "5", and go back to "3", and use a longer spacer ?...............Thanks !
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Crow on September 25, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
OOPS !  I should have added that the "ears" on the eared washer, wouldn't allow it to be removed from "outside"...I had to loosen the bridge screws....could this gear / washer set up be from a larger reel. maybe ?
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Keta on September 25, 2017, 08:17:24 PM
The double CF washers are to fill in the space the old thick asbestos washers took up.  On the high speed 349's the ears hit the sides of the hole, your washers are right.

Smooth Drag has a 5 washer drag upgrade kit (.045" metal washers)  for the 349H.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Crow on September 25, 2017, 08:44:12 PM
Thanks !!
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: jigmaster501 on September 26, 2017, 12:04:02 AM
Does anyone have any stainless yokes around for a 349H?????

I am building one for the frame and spool I got from Randy...

Thanks

Eugene
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: mikeysm on September 26, 2017, 05:51:29 AM
Sorry no stainless yokes. The 349h has very few parts that it shares with other reels. So you have to stay with brass. If you need one JD Treasures should have one on ebay.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Crow on September 27, 2017, 03:53:56 PM
What about stainless dogs ?
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: mikeysm on September 27, 2017, 07:06:12 PM
Use the 113h stainless gear sleeve. Then talk to Lee for the stainless dogs.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Crow on September 27, 2017, 08:09:09 PM
OK, Thanks....Actually, I want to build one of those "Super 49's"...using the 349 bridge, and I planned on using the 113H stainless sleeve, that's why I figured I'd better have a stainless dog, as well. It *looks like* (haven't done any measuring, just reading through that thread, and lots of "eye balling")the 349 dog will have to be 'filled' a bit, to fit the smaller diameter of the 113H "cog wheel", if I want both the notches on the dog to seat correctly. I have several expensive (to me, at least !) "mods" going on right now...and 'll have to save my pennies, and get a few parts at a time......I'll need to save for fuel money, to "go south" this winter, as well ! It took a big jump, after the hurricane, and has been "easing " higher, ever since. Thanks again !.......Crow
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: mo65 on May 15, 2018, 10:03:19 PM
   I scored a deal on a 349H that looked pretty clean on the outside, but when I opened it up it had some light corrosion so I opted for a vinegar bath to neutralize the greenery. I wanted to keep this reel original so the brake lining drags stayed in place, but I did buy washers for a carbon fiber 5-stack if it ever leaves the shelf.  8)
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Maxed Out on May 15, 2018, 11:33:05 PM

Very nice end result Mo

These reels are a tank right outta the box

Cool factoid about this model....it has 2 post screws for each harness lug and only other conventional Penns with these beefy lugs are 14/0 & 16/0
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Swami805 on May 16, 2018, 12:40:19 PM
Nice find Mo, Great looking reel and the price was ridiculous. That is one beefy reel
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Crow on May 16, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Good score !  And a great job on cleaning it up, too !
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Donnyboat on May 16, 2018, 11:55:13 PM
Hi Mike, you have restored that 349, really good, nice work, they are a very strong reel, love mine, cheers Don.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 17, 2018, 02:56:18 PM
I have always felt that the Model 349 is a tank right out of the factory. The soft parts of the drag stack is built up out of heavy asbestos (IMHO) washers. They may be considered hazardous material; but, in terms of dealing with friction and heat, they are kind of hard to beat.

Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Keta on May 17, 2018, 03:34:26 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 17, 2018, 02:56:18 PM
The soft parts of the drag stack is built up out of heavy asbestos (IMHO) washers.

They tended to dry out and get brittle and did not like oil but for a "old" material it was good.  The 5 CF drag stack is a major improvement.  The 7 washer drags worked well to but I think the thicker metal washers of a 5 washer set is best.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/1583_25_01_18_10_08_22.jpeg)

I am putting together a LNOB 349 together, Like New Out of (parts) Boxes, together and am searching for a stock set of metal and asbestos washers.  

I also need to dig out the like new 349 rings I gave away and get them in the mail.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Maxed Out on May 17, 2018, 11:57:13 PM

From my personal experience, it isn't easy to find a "new in box" 349. These reels were bought by people who intended to use them. I think I recall finding a 349hc new in the box, so I did some digging and sure enough there it was.....and still new in the box (transition box from 1960)
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 18, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
QuoteFrom my personal experience, it isn't easy to find a "new in box" 349. These reels were bought by people who intended to use them. I think I recall finding a 349hc new in the box, so I did some digging and sure enough there it was.....and still new in the box (transition box from 1960)

Nice. That is a strange box. I never saw that type. The catalog is a late 1950's book.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: AC49 on May 18, 2018, 08:10:17 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 18, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
QuoteFrom my personal experience, it isn't easy to find a "new in box" 349. These reels were bought by people who intended to use them. I think I recall finding a 349hc new in the box, so I did some digging and sure enough there it was.....and still new in the box (transition box from 1960)

Beautiful reel there Ted !
I see the postal code on the box is "PHILADELPHIA, PA, 19132"
I see the postal code on the catalog is "PHILADELPHIA 32, PA"

Nice. That is a strange box. I never saw that type. The catalog is a late 1950's book.

Mike is that normal or is the catalog and the box a postal code mismatch ? I was under the impression that the blue and white boxes from Penn with the metal corners started in 1960 yet the catalog #21 was from 1958 when the 349HC cost $29.

Regards
AC49
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: swill88 on May 18, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on May 15, 2018, 11:33:05 PM

Very nice end result Mo

These reels are a tank right outta the box

Cool factoid about this model....it has 2 post screws for each harness lug and only other conventional Penns with these beefy lugs are 14/0 & 16/0

Don't forget 113MTL.
Thanks Dan! thanks Dom!

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Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: AC49 on May 18, 2018, 08:31:57 PM
Here is a blue and white box with "PHILADELPHIA 32, PA"

Regards
AC49
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 19, 2018, 05:54:05 AM
QuoteMike is that normal or is the catalog and the box a postal code mismatch ? I was under the impression that the blue and white boxes from Penn with the metal corners started in 1960 yet the catalog #21 was from 1958 when the 349HC cost $29.

Regards
AC49

Postal Codes fall into that questionable category. The official date for the USPS Postal Code change was July 1, 1963. The two number Zone Code was done and the Zip Code became the new way. That in no way means businesses threw out all their pre-printed matter. As it is with everything else, there was a transition time.
                If I had to guess about the box and catalog that Ted pictured, I would say that the box is late 1960's and the catalog is a 1958 edition. I doubt if the package left the factory that way, they simply wound up together by the fact that anyone can put any catalog in any box.
                That box probably should never have left the factory; but, many things happen in the world of Penn reels that do not fit the realm of normal. The Blue and White flip top boxes are generally thought to have begun in 1960; but, again, it is not written in stone. I feel that there were probably early and late releases of some models.
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: AC49 on May 19, 2018, 07:21:59 AM
Thanks again Mike and thanks Ted for sharing  :)
Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: CW33919 on March 02, 2020, 03:18:31 PM
Absolutely a fanatic when it comes to the 49's and 349's.  I have half a dozen that I fish regularly and always keep at least two on the boat.  Tough, dependable, easy to maintain - what's not to like?

Was out yesterday off of Captiva trolling for early Kings with a 349; no Kings but an awesome day all the same.
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Title: Re: 349 Master Mariner
Post by: CW33919 on March 02, 2020, 03:33:49 PM
Love to fish these reels.  The two with the fluorescent mono are 49's, the unspooled reel is also a 49, the one with the blue braid is a 349, and the other is a "backup" 49.