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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn - Vintage => Topic started by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:59:29 AM

Title: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:59:29 AM
Post questions about this reel in this thread
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: fishmeluck on April 24, 2016, 07:25:00 PM
What do folks use this reel for? It seems like a possible alternative to the Penn 140, 501 or Newell 220 sized reels. Bryan has a drag upgrade that fits the main gear, and I think the gear sleeve matches the Squidder. Also, in I read somewhere that people used it for fishing the anchovy for schoolie tuna many years ago, the low gear ratio of 3:1 being an advantage. I was thinking of getting one, putting an old steel gear in it, and upgrading the gear sleeve, drag, and handle and giving it a try.   
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: DaBigOno on April 24, 2016, 08:20:19 PM
Quote from: fishmeluck on April 24, 2016, 07:25:00 PM
What do folks use this reel for? It seems like a possible alternative to the Penn 140, 501 or Newell 220 sized reels. Bryan has a drag upgrade that fits the main gear, and I think the gear sleeve matches the Squidder. Also, in I read somewhere that people used it for fishing the anchovy for schoolie tuna many years ago, the low gear ratio of 3:1 being an advantage. I was thinking of getting one, putting an old steel gear in it, and upgrading the gear sleeve, drag, and handle and giving it a try.   

I say "Go for It",  only thing is line capacity is very limited, so you might want to use braid.  Im looking forward to seeing some pics of your catches.   ;)
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 25, 2016, 12:26:43 AM
I use mine for shallow water rockfish and lingcod, they are filled with 40 pound Spectra.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Porthos on April 25, 2016, 02:07:53 AM
Quote from: fishmeluck on April 24, 2016, 07:25:00 PM
What do folks use this reel for? It seems like a possible alternative to the Penn 140, 501 or Newell 220 sized reels. Bryan has a drag upgrade that fits the main gear, and I think the gear sleeve matches the Squidder. Also, in I read somewhere that people used it for fishing the anchovy for schoolie tuna many years ago, the low gear ratio of 3:1 being an advantage. I was thinking of getting one, putting an old steel gear in it, and upgrading the gear sleeve, drag, and handle and giving it a try.  

After the upgrades above and a Tib frame and spooling with 50lb braid, can fish as a 30lb or 40lb setup with corresponding top shots. Have landed yellowtail at Cedros with my 27 that was upgraded with the 100's 29L-100 spool.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: fishmeluck on April 27, 2016, 04:06:31 AM
Well, I went ahead and bought one on Ebay. it is not here yet, but it looked very clean, had Newell bars, base, clamp, spool, and came with one extra Newell spool. According to PennParts, line capacity is only 200yd of 20lb, less than a Newell 220. But, maybe the Newell spools will add a little capacity to that.

PennParts also says the reel has 2 + 1BB. Where is the ball bearing? I thought the Surfmasters had two bushings like the Jigmaster.

I like Tiburon frames, but think I'll wait to see how much I like the reel before adding one. It is so small, it seems like the frame will be stiff enough to handle 50lb braid and a 30lb or 40lb top shot without needing the extra stiffness of a Tiburon frame. And, I've just been spending too much on gear, lately.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on April 27, 2016, 10:40:22 AM
Are you sure? all I see is bearings.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/40-60.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/40-60.aspx)
These bushings are considered bearings... not Ball bearings, but bearings.

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 27, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 27, 2016, 10:40:22 AM
These bushings are considered bearings... not Ball bearings, but bearings.

They are often called "plain bearings".

Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 27, 2016, 02:27:16 PM
The Surfmaster 100 is the Poorman's Squidder 146. Surfmasters and Squidders, except for the Surfmaster 250 usually mirror themselves dimensionally. The biggest downgrade from the Squidder to the Surfmaster, in all the sizes was the bearings. All Surfmasters have sleeve bearings (or plain bearings, as previously stated), while all Squidders have Ball Bearings. They are all considered bearings, as Sal said.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 27, 2016, 02:39:11 PM
Didn't the Surfmaster predate the Squidder?   

For my use plain bearings have advantages over roller bearings, if I was casting roller bearings have a slight advantage over plain bearings.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 27, 2016, 02:46:32 PM
I just looked it up, it looks like the Surfmaster 150 predated the Squidder 140 by a few years.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on April 27, 2016, 02:54:18 PM
Quote from: Keta on April 27, 2016, 02:46:32 PM
I just looked it up, it looks like the Surfmaster 150 predated the Squidder 140 by a few years.  Is that correct?
I would say, no... According to Mike C in "The Chronological History of Penn Reels" the Squidder was introduced in '39 and the Surfmasters 150, 151, 200, 201 and 250 were all introduced in 1940. What is your reference?

Sid
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 27, 2016, 03:11:59 PM
Scott's, I would tend to rely on Mike over Scott's.

Surfmaster  https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSurfmaster.aspx#specs  (http://hhttps://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSurfmaster.aspx#specs)
Squidder   https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSquidder.aspx#specs (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSquidder.aspx#specs)


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: mike1010 on April 27, 2016, 03:21:44 PM
I have 50 lb powerpro on mine, and use it for tog.   BTW, these reels may not spin quite like a 146, but if the bushings are well maintained and lubed, will give 30 seconds of free spool, more than enough to create an epic bird's nest if you are not paying attention.

Mike
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 27, 2016, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: mike1010 on April 27, 2016, 03:21:44 PM
..... more than enough to create an epic bird's nest if you are not paying attention.

Mike


I've been there.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on April 27, 2016, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: Keta on April 27, 2016, 03:11:59 PM
Scott's, I would tend to rely on Mike over Scott's.

Yeah, agree. Scott's lists the Surfmasters mostly as late 1940's reels, but they were in the 1940 Penn catalog. Another reason to buy the book! http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17578.0

Sid
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 27, 2016, 04:44:16 PM
If we are talking about the base models, then the Squidder 140 was introduced in 1939 and the Surfmaster 200 was introduced in 1939.; But, here we are talking about the Surfmaster 100, which is a sister to the Squidder 146.

The Surfmaster 100 is introduced in 1949, while its sister-reel, the Squidder Jr. 146 was not introduced until 1965. The Surfmaster models have a very interesting introduction, with some very hard to find models that can be worth more money than your average Penn reel.

When the Surfmaster series is introduced in 1940, there were five models, the 200, 201, 150, 151 and 250. After the war, the 201 and 151 (basically fancy Knuckle Busters) were gone. The 100 model that were are talking about here became the first of the small frame, quick break down reels.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 27, 2016, 04:49:53 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 28, 2016, 02:45:09 AM
QuoteThank you.

You are most welcome..... :)
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Rancanfish on April 28, 2016, 04:40:55 AM
I'm curious which SM models would be a bit more worthy, and why?
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Tightlines667 on April 28, 2016, 04:43:07 AM
Quote from: Rancanfish on April 28, 2016, 04:40:55 AM
I'm curious which SM models would be a bit more worthy, and why?

What do you mean by 'worthy'?
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 28, 2016, 01:00:55 PM
"Worthy" of the higher collector values.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 29, 2016, 12:42:34 AM
QuoteInsert Quote

"Worthy" of the higher collector values.

Tough question. Surfmasters are generally not thought of as sought after collector pieces because there are so many of them and their build style was fairly stable. They are all black and stayed that way from their beginnings. The hardest ones to find are the early 151 and 201 models, so I would think of them as more valuable than the standard models; but, they are really hard to find in today's world. Some people consider the Model 100 as a collectible. If you want to put a Model 100 on the shelf, I would say find a really mint, old one (pre-part number reel) in the box with the papers and all the items that belong in the box.

I do have a Maroon one in my collection, which is the only Maroon one I have ever seen, so maybe searching out a strange color Surfmaster would be a challenge. The quest be easy, any Surfmaster that is not Black is weird.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Rancanfish on April 29, 2016, 05:26:01 AM
Thanks for that.  I was inquiring out of curiosity of what you meant would make one more desirable only.  I have no illusions of owning big money Surfmasters, lol.

I guess I thought for a bit that you were going to reveal a model Penn unknown to me in that line.

I'm happy that you share your passion (and endless research no doubt) with us all.

And how about a pic of that maroon baby?
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on April 29, 2016, 06:34:53 AM
Quote from: Rancanfish on April 29, 2016, 05:26:01 AM
Thanks for that.  I was inquiring out of curiosity of what you meant would make one more desirable only.  I have no illusions of owning big money Surfmasters, lol.

I guess I thought for a bit that you were going to reveal a model Penn unknown to me in that line.

I'm happy that you share your passion (and endless research no doubt) with us all.

And how about a pic of that maroon baby?

...same here... :)
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Tightlines667 on April 30, 2016, 03:37:39 AM
Here is a low quality photo of my 201...
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: fishmeluck on April 30, 2016, 05:06:24 AM
This is page from Scott's that has the "2+1BB" reference and led to my question about there maybe being one ball ball bearing somewhere.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSurfmaster.aspx#specs (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSurfmaster.aspx#specs)

I can't see anything but two bushings on the schematic, and now that I've received my 100 Surfmaster and popped it open, I don't see anything but two bushings inside the reel.


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on April 30, 2016, 05:08:30 AM
Scott's is a good reference but there are a few mistakes.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 01, 2016, 01:09:42 AM
QuoteAnd how about a pic of that maroon baby?

This Maroon reel is  Model 200 and probably belongs in another thread; but, the question is here, so here goes;;

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/PENN%20SURFMASTER/Penn%20Surfmaster--Model%20200--Maroon%20001%20-%20Copy%20674%20x%20676_zpshxq3y8ra.jpg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/PENN%20SURFMASTER/Penn%20Surfmaster--Model%20200--Maroon%20002%20-%20Copy%20897%20x%20615_zps35ku8imc.jpg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/PENN%20SURFMASTER/Penn%20Surfmaster--Model%20200--Maroon%20006%20-%20Copy%20556%20x%20474_zps6l3rbbt1.jpg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/PENN%20SURFMASTER/Penn%20Surfmaster--Model%20200--Maroon%20011%20-%20Copy%20816%20x%20730_zpsy2ujp7km.jpg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/PENN%20SURFMASTER/Penn%20Surfmaster--Model%20200--Maroon%20018%20-%20Copy%20676%20x%20507_zps9v3p9umv.jpg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/PENN%20SURFMASTER/Penn%20Surfmaster--Model%20200--Maroon%20020%20-%20Copy%20804%20x%20664_zpsssy7vtc3.jpg)
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: basto on May 11, 2016, 12:01:07 AM
Quote from: Keta on April 27, 2016, 02:39:11 PM
Didn't the Surfmaster predate the Squidder?   

For my use plain bearings have advantages over roller bearings, if I was casting roller bearings have a slight advantage over plain bearings.


Back in the eighties, a very prominent fishing writer in Australia did some tests on bushings and ball bearings in ABU baicasters.
He found that when casting ultra light lures, the distance of the cast lure was actually greater with bushings than with ball bearings.
He attributed this to the extra energy or force needed to start the balls rolling in the ball bearings.
The bushings needed less start up force, so there was less drag on the very light spool at startup.

This only applies to ultra light spools, line,lures and oil of very light viscosity.
Casting with heavier gear,  the bearings will always give the longest cast.
cheers
Basto
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: fishmeluck on May 20, 2016, 05:01:21 PM
It took me a while to get around to it, a few days off work on antibiotics for suspected pneumonia, but finally rebuilt this guy. It came from Ebay with a small counter-balanced handle w/ white grip, and those ugly brown Newell graphite bearings. But, I liked the aluminum reel seat&clamp, Newell bars and spool, that it came with an extra Newell spool, and the side plates were black to match the Newell parts. Cost was $77 shipped.

When I opened it, a welcome surprise was that it already had a steel gear. I wonder what year it might have been made, given the steel gear and black side plates.

During the rebuild, I also found what appeared to be a chrome plated steel bridge assembly. The gear sleeve was a brass 98-60 coarse thread. The drag washers were shot. Out went the old gear sleeve and Newell bushings and in went new Penn bushings, a Cortez 98-155 fine thread s.s. gear sleeve, HT-100 drag washers, and a Delrin washer under the gear. I scavenged a fine thread drag star and a handle w/ black grip from an old Penn 500. Both are larger than the stock drag star and grip. And, that was it. At first, I thought I might put a power handle on the reel but after looking at it, realized it looked too big, and the Penn 500 handle was significantly larger and longer than the original handle anyway. It just looked and felt right.

I haven't tested the drag yet, but I think it should be able to produce 8 lb of smooth drag. I don't have a Brian's Drag Kit for it at this time, but I think I could fish anything from 15 lb to 30 lb the way it is. It's on a 12-25 lb rod at the moment, and I'm wavering between trying it out with 15 lb mono on the first spool for bass fishing and 20 lb mono on the second spool, versus filling the second spool with 50 lb braid, allowing more leader options.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/14963_25_02_18_12_32_44_235722192.jpeg)


(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/14963_25_02_18_12_32_43_23571689.jpeg)


(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/14963_25_02_18_12_32_43_23570176.jpeg)
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 21, 2016, 05:40:51 AM
Great job on the Surfmaster 100. All Surfmasters are black.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on May 21, 2016, 02:03:53 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 21, 2016, 05:40:51 AM
Great job on the Surfmaster 100. All Surfmasters are black.
not necessarily  ;D.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 21, 2016, 03:39:03 PM
QuoteAll Surfmasters are black.

not necessarily  Grin.

Excuse me, all Surfmasters are black, except one.........................<:O)

Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on May 21, 2016, 03:51:24 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on May 21, 2016, 04:25:47 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 21, 2016, 03:39:03 PM
QuoteAll Surfmasters are black.

not necessarily  Grin.

Excuse me, all Surfmasters are black, except one.........................<:O)


That's more like it!  ;D
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on May 23, 2016, 01:01:00 AM
Great looking reel.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: thrasher on September 04, 2016, 01:56:13 PM
  Hello fine people of alantani.com, I have learned so much from this website that I first must thank you!

  Sifting through the many pages I noticed for the first time the Surfmaster 100. I have always had a love for the narrow reels and have owned a few jigmaster jr and the squidder jr throughout the years. So I had to have a surfmaster jr and I hit ebay and found one recently, perhaps the seller is from here.

  Anyhow the reel is in great shape and doesn't seem to be fished all that much.  The only thing I want to replace are the drag washers and the plastic spool. The washers are no big deal as you all know but the spool is trickier than expected. I am in no big hurry so I will probably just wait until one pops on ebay but I do have a couple questions.

  I have seen all the great tiburon frames you all have been using but I don't really want to go that route and was wondering if the tiburon spool would work with the stock penn frame?  My gut says yes but it has been known to be wrong in the past.

  Now for the real question which led me here. The plastic spool that came with the surfmaster 100 is marked 29-155 but that doesn't seem right to me. I know parts are interchangeable and all but the pics of the 155 spools I have seen online look a lot bigger.

  Thank you in advance!

 

 
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: George4741 on September 04, 2016, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: thrasher on September 04, 2016, 01:56:13 PM
  I have always had a love for the narrow reels.

  I have seen all the great tiburon frames you all have been using but I don't really want to go that route and was wondering if the tiburon spool would work with the stock penn frame?  My gut says yes but it has been known to be wrong in the past.

  Now for the real question which led me here. The plastic spool that came with the surfmaster 100 is marked 29-155 but that doesn't seem right to me. I know parts are interchangeable and all but the pics of the 155 spools I have seen online look a lot bigger.
 

Welcome to the group!  I edited your post in my reply so it's easier to answer some of your questions.

1.  I also like narrow reels and call myself narrow minded. ::)

2.  Tiburon spools work just fine with the stock Penn frame.

3.  I also have a -100 width plastic spool marked 29-155.  I don't know why these spools came out of the factory marked that way, but now I know there are at least two of them. ???  The last version of the Beachmaster 155 uses the much wider 30-200 stand and 29-200 aluminum spool.  I don't recall the part numbers for the wide plastic and chrome spools.  I'll have to disassemble some reels to find that answer.

George
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on September 04, 2016, 04:13:30 PM
No need to disassemble your reels George, got you covered ;D
Trasher, the 29-155 is the correct spool for your reel.
Here is a pic of the 3 different sizes for the plastic spools, all marked 29-155:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/pescatore1009/20160904_115433.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/pescatore1009/20160904_115433.jpg.html)
The metal spools of the same size are marked as follows:  29-100, 29-150 & 29-200
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/pescatore1009/20160904_115507.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/pescatore1009/20160904_115507.jpg.html)

These spools will work on all reels with the same size plates, as Beachmasters-Surfmasters- Monofil and few others.

Sal
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: George4741 on September 04, 2016, 04:46:21 PM
Thank you, Sal.  I found a wide plastic spool marked 29-155 in my parts box.  I remember pulling it off of my Beachmaster 155 when I narrowed it.  I also have a narrow plastic spool marked 29-100.  
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: thrasher on September 04, 2016, 04:51:05 PM
  Man this site is great! Thank you George and Sal, that spool had me scratching my head for a couple days. I see my problem is that I just don't have enough reels in my collecting to use as a reference. If I can't find a penn spool or if I just get tired of waiting I'll grab one from tiburon.


Thanks again!!
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: George4741 on September 04, 2016, 05:03:09 PM
Thrasher, all of these narrow spools will fit your 100.  They also fit the 180, 185, 190 and maybe some other reels.  As you probably know, If you are going to fish with it you're better off with a Tiburon or Penn metal spool.

Regards, George
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on September 04, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
Quote from: thrasher on September 04, 2016, 04:51:05 PM
 Man this site is great! Thank you George and Sal, that spool had me scratching my head for a couple days.

  Tell me about it...Ha!...I scratched a bald spot on my head while looking at those #@$& numbers. Nearly drove me nuts while surfing fleabay for a plastic spool to fit my 180...kept seeing those numbers that should match a wide spool...but in the pics the spool sure looked like a narrow...arrrgh! :D
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on September 06, 2016, 01:25:34 AM
Quote from: thrasher on September 04, 2016, 01:56:13 PM
 
  Anyhow the reel is in great shape and doesn't seem to be fished all that much.  The only thing I want to replace are the drag washers and the plastic spool. The washers are no big deal as you all know but the spool is trickier than expected. I am in no big hurry so I will probably just wait until one pops on ebay but I do have a couple questions.

 

  Thank you in advance!

 

 
Here you go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Reel-Part-Spool-29M-100-Metal-NOS-100-Surfmaster-Reel-New-No-Outer-Box-/371549595698?hash=item568214e832

Might need a little cleaning, maybe Jay will knock a few bucks off.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on September 06, 2016, 03:42:44 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 06, 2016, 01:25:34 AM
Might need a little cleaning, maybe Jay will knock a few bucks off.
Jay (fishgrain) is a member here and a good guy. I've bought from him before, good experience.

Sid
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on September 06, 2016, 09:54:32 AM
Quote from: sdlehr on September 06, 2016, 03:42:44 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 06, 2016, 01:25:34 AM
Might need a little cleaning, maybe Jay will knock a few bucks off.
Jay (fishgrain) is a member here and a good guy. I've bought from him before, good experience.

Sid
Yes  I do business with him as well and I know how he deals, that's the reason I've mentioned he might knock a few bucks off.
Jay is a good guy.

Sal
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on September 06, 2016, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on September 06, 2016, 03:42:44 AM
Jay (fishgrain) is a member here and a good guy.

He's a member here?...what's his handle? I've bought from him several times myself. Here's a spool he has that's in a little better shape...and a bit less on the price.  

http://www.ebay.com/itm/29M-100-Penn-Spool-Reel-Part-for-100-180-185-190-Reels-Antique-Box/371565504744?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37338%26meid%3De466ef8fa7e141098fbe3dac0892e58a%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D371565504744%26clkid%3D8069064454242420494&_qi=RTM2247625
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: RowdyW on September 06, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
He's a member here?...what's his handle?                "fishgrain"                                                                                                                                   
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: thrasher on September 07, 2016, 12:47:55 AM
  I gotta tell you I can see now how great this site is! On different forums a new member with only 1 post usually gets ignored but quite the opposite  here. I always smile a bit when I see "Ohana, It means family" and with the recent "welcome to my home" post and realize this site is just that! The fact that you guys (george, sal, mo, sid and rowdy) took time out of your busy lives to answer and post links to help me is amazing. I hope one day I get my reel knowledge up to par with you all to be able to help a newbie like myself. Just knowledge, my wife would kill me if my reel collection gets anywhere near the ones I have seen here, lol.

  Having said all that I really had my heart set on an aluminum spool and think I have found one but I saved "fishgrain" in my ebay favorites just incase. I kind of have a feeling I will need Jay in the future for other reels, just don't tell my wife  ;D

  Jake

 
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on September 07, 2016, 01:37:08 AM
Quote from: thrasher on September 07, 2016, 12:47:55 AM
   I really had my heart set on an aluminum spool and think I have found one.

  Good call thrasher...the aluminum spool is the best option for most fishing. On the other hand, for lighter duty work the plastic spool is a great lure casting spool. It's easy to control and reduces weight. If you can stand to wait a while, you can nab a whole reel for the price of a spool! Then you have options, more parts, win~win! 8)
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: thrasher on September 10, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
Hey guys just wanted to give an update. I gave it a cleaning and added new drag washer kit and aluminum spool and absolutely love it. It will mainly be my snapper/snook rod for the pier or jetty, just have to finish the old yellow hurricane rod and i'll be good to go. I was lucky to find a spool online for $26 shipped and am now thinking I should have bought more than one. Just wanted to say thanks to you all.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on September 11, 2016, 03:35:25 AM
Quote from: thrasher on September 10, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
It will mainly be my snapper/snook rod for the pier or jetty
Thrasher, where are you in the Sunshine state?

Sid
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: thrasher on September 11, 2016, 11:40:37 AM
Good eye Sid, I am a little North of you in WPB, Greenacres to be precise.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on September 12, 2016, 04:02:36 AM
Quote from: thrasher on September 11, 2016, 11:40:37 AM
Good eye Sid, I am a little North of you in WPB, Greenacres to be precise.
I have often worked in Greenacres. I'm fishing with RowdyW on the Lady K out of Lantana on Thursday night, you're welcome to join us. She leaves the dock at 6:30, returns at 10:30. It'll be cool(er) than trying to fish during the day, and the full moon is Friday.

Sid
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: thrasher on September 13, 2016, 11:31:10 AM
Sid thank you for the invite, I have actually been thinking of taking a trip on her with my father. Unfortunately I can't make it this trip, my wife's new job has her training in Coral Gables and I have a bunch of animals to take care of during the weekdays. I don't know what I was thinking talking her into the third chihuahua but have learned to stay out of animal control, lol.

I wish you guys the best of luck and hope to see a hefty fishing report!
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on September 16, 2016, 06:54:30 PM
Bad news on the fishing report. The boat was in the boat yard. That was last night. So I decided to do a 4-hr drift this afternoon, from 1-5, with the full moon occurring at 3:05. I drove to the (different) dock and they didn't have enough people interested in fishing, so I didn't get out again! >:( >:( >:(

Sid
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: thrasher on September 18, 2016, 12:35:11 PM
Sorry to hear that Sid, I was hoping you guys would slay them. Hopefully you got all the bad luck out of the way so the next trip will be nothing but good news.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on September 18, 2016, 02:18:36 PM
The next trip is Monday (tomorrow) night on the Living on Island Time in Hypoluxo if you want to join us! Leaves at 6:30.

Sid
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: JohnDeereMoxie on January 18, 2017, 03:19:02 PM
I just got this Surfmaster 100 a couple weeks ago from an antique shop.  I thought it wasn't a bad deal at $22. Wish I could've gotten it for less, I love the image on it.  I haven't taken it apart yet, but everything seems to be pretty smooth on it, clicker sounds great.  How do I date this?

Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Maxed Out on January 18, 2017, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: JohnDeereMoxie on January 18, 2017, 03:19:02 PM
I just got this Surfmaster 100 a couple weeks ago from an antique shop.  I thought it wasn't a bad deal at $22. Wish I could've gotten it for less, I love the image on it.  I haven't taken it apart yet, but everything seems to be pretty smooth on it, clicker sounds great.  How do I date this?



 I believe first year for the 100 was 1949. Your reel has part numbers which dates it to a bit later. The hint of a date on this one would be the shape of the "foot" on the seat. Somewhere in the mid 50's or a bit earlier, they redesigned the tongue to have more taper. The tongue on your surfmaster is the early version. The slotted rod clamp also went away around 1954/55-ish ....Early 50's on your surfmaster 100 is best I can do without the original box. Looks like a bit of Ohana love and it'll be a decent little reel.

 -Ted
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: JohnDeereMoxie on January 25, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
Thank you.  Was that a decent price I paid?
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on January 25, 2017, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: JohnDeereMoxie on January 25, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
Thank you.  Was that a decent price I paid?

    22 bucks for a Surfmaster 100 in that condition is a good buy. 8)
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: thorhammer on January 25, 2017, 10:33:56 PM
i'll take a dozen at that $. nice score.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: JohnDeereMoxie on February 03, 2017, 04:19:38 PM
I kinda figured that so I was like why not. I'll clean it up a little bit. Thanks all! :)
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Pappy on July 10, 2018, 08:49:38 PM
Great topic! I was surfing the site and came across this thread. I was actually trying to find out what year the Penn 100 Surfmaster was built. Also, the last part of the thread some guys were figuring out what species of fish to use it for. I've owned my 100 since 1978. Back in the day it was my go to reel for Southern California Yellowtail, Bonito, Dorado, Albacore and Calico Bass. I've also fished it around the world during my military career. I've recently hot rodded it with the Tiburon frame, SS gear sleeve, SS dog and the 5 drag stack. I'ts been standing up to everything so far, except the Albacore of course. We haven't had them here in SoCal for a few years. But to clear any doubts, this old reel is killing it still! Funny thing is, It's almost the same exact size as my Saltiga SA20, which has been my go to reel for the last 10 years. I'm also getting a consistent 12-15 pounds of drag after the upgrade. I have it spooled with 50lb braid and a short 3 foot leader of flourocarbon.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: joel8080 on July 11, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
Question: what is the width of a 100 the reason I ask is both the 100 & 200 take the same tail plate but differante head plate and the same main gear, just trying to figure it out why.

joel8080
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Maxed Out on July 11, 2018, 07:50:59 PM

Surfmaster 100 is same width as a 501 jigmaster, and 146 squidder

All 3 use the #49 seat and posts
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: George6308 on July 11, 2018, 08:51:22 PM
There is also a fresh water ( smaller) reel stand (30-180F).
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: joel8080 on July 11, 2018, 09:20:46 PM
So the only differance betwwen a 100 & a 200 is the width of the reel?.

As the guts are the same so are the plates except one says 100 the other 200 on the face plate.

joel8080
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: George6308 on July 11, 2018, 09:31:24 PM
Yep There is another width between the two, 160, 145, & 150. Same end plates as 100 & 180. The 145 is the squidder mid size.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Pappy on July 12, 2018, 06:42:15 PM
Anybody know where I can get a 5 plus one drag stack for the Penn 100 surfmaster? I tried reaching out to Bryan Young but no response.

Thanks, Pappy
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: fishhawk on July 12, 2018, 07:35:45 PM
pappy, I believe mystic reel parts has them. Great bunch of people.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Pappy on July 12, 2018, 07:57:05 PM
Thanks Fishhawk
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Keta on July 13, 2018, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: joel8080 on July 11, 2018, 09:20:46 PM
So the only differance betwwen a 100 & a 200 is the width of the reel?.

As the guts are the same so are the plates except one says 100 the other 200 on the face plate.

joel8080

Yes Joel, the Surfmaster 100, 150 and 200 are all the same reel only different widths.  The 150 is 99 width.  The Surfmaster 250 is a different reel, like a low speed Jigmaster 500. 
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: kmstorm64 on September 11, 2018, 09:39:08 PM
I currently have two set up with Newell base, bars, and spools for kayak fishing, and a third I had parts powder coated by a forum member here to GF's favorite color a few years back for X-mas. I like the simplicity of the reel, easy to clean and do a few. When I first set them up the only set of stainless gear sleeve was in course thread. Recently I picked up some of the newer ones in fine thread. I have this reel to be good to go on the yak for rockfish, ling, and salmon up to 15 pounds with an issue. One is loaded with 20 lb mono with a braid top shot, likewise the other is loaded with 30 Mono with a 30 Lb braid top shot. As I don't cast these, I have never had an issue where the braid would get caught in the side plates. (Image of reel with Red Line is an older pic, line has since been switched out.  Sorry folks the red side plated reel I missed, that is the Bakelite Blaster Jigmaster, I am guessing she wanted some screen time.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on September 12, 2018, 12:03:37 AM
Nice reels Kmstorms64! what's the story with the covers on the knobs?
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Kalbi on December 01, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Maybe a silly question, but what's the difference between surfmaster 100 and 100m?
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on December 01, 2018, 07:41:00 PM
Quote from: Kalbi on December 01, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Maybe a silly question, but what's the difference between surfmaster 100 and 100m?
The M is a metal spool, as opposed to plastic. That's a standard Penn designation, as is "L" for a lightweight aluminum spool.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: kmstorm64 on April 10, 2019, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 12, 2018, 12:03:37 AM
Nice reels Kmstorms64! what's the story with the covers on the knobs?

I found those in Bass Pro Shops , and decided to try them out.  I find when I am kayaking, my hands get wet, hell I get wet, and this gives me a little better grip when I am out there paddling, for small $$$. Nothing special about them, I think they are intended for smaller bait casting freshwater reels, but I like them, and I can tell my reel on a charter boat reel fast.
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on April 10, 2019, 10:35:33 PM
decorative and functional, can't beat that.

Sal
Title: Re: 100, 100M Surfmaster
Post by: kmstorm64 on May 14, 2019, 08:40:16 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 10, 2019, 10:35:33 PM
decorative and functional, can't beat that.

Sal

They work, and there isn't a charter boat Captain who doesn't do a double take when they see them.  You would think I had some ultra rare reel when they see it.