Hi, I'm not reel savvy, so bear with me. I have a Release SG that's seen very little use. When I tighten the lever drag and pull line out with my hand, everything is fine. But when I push the lever drag a little more, and then pull line out with my hand, the handle starts moving backwards. After that point, pushing the lever drag even all the way, seems to not increase the resistance of the line being pulled out (I'm not holding the handle, that is). Is this the way this reel is supposed to operate? I hope I made my self clear. By the way, I can't send the reel in to get serviced since I live in Greece, and the shipping cost is prohibitive.
Hi!
Are you able to make the handle go backwards regardless of the lever being in Free or set towards Strike? I'm of course not talking about pulling back hard on the handle, just a light pressure to feel if something is slipping or if the AR-B is working as it should?
I tried to pull the handle backwards and it doesn't slip, either in free spool or full drag.
BTW, my reel is a left hand version.
The original release reels had problems with the anti reverse bearings. They fixed the problem by adding a dog.my Sg had the same problem right out of the box.
Hey Joe, you sure it's the anti-reverse? When I try to pull the handle backwards it doesn't slip. I also noticed that sometimes when I push the lever drag, the drag preset knob will also move one or two clicks, which is very annoying because I have to adjust it back all the time, or my drag gets too strong.
Quote from: nik33134 on October 28, 2016, 10:44:06 PM
Hey Joe, you sure it's the anti-reverse? When I try to pull the handle backwards it doesn't slip. I also noticed that sometimes when I push the lever drag, the drag preset knob will also move one or two clicks, which is very annoying because I have to adjust it back all the time, or my drag gets too strong.
I've never experienced anything like this with my SG.
Are you sure the pre-set knob and the brake cam assembly is correct, have you opened the reel previously? If so, could one of the mentioned parts not be installed the way they should? I can't see how the pre-set knob should be able to go up a click or two by moving the lever, unless the drag is set very hard and the force required to move the lever from Free somehow pushes sideways on the pre-set knob to an extent where the pre-set knob slips up a click.. I'm not at all sure, sounds like a puzzling case.
How much drag have you set via the pre-set knob to before you test the reel by pushing the lever towards Strike or Full?
And how much will you have to spend on shipping if you need to get the reel serviced abroad?
I am trying to recreate the "moving preset knob" problem, and I can't. When I press the lever drag forward, the preset knob turns probably half a click in the same direction, and when I pull the lever drag backwards, the preset knob returns to it's original position. I repeated the back and forth lever drag movement many times, and the preset knob seems to be stable overall. So it's possible that I was unintentionally moving it while fishing. Nonetheless the preset knob feels flimsy, like it could use a more positive feedback, like sort of a clicker.
I have never opened up the reel, other than unscrewing the preset knob to make sure there's nothing loose in there. The preset knob is set to half a turn away from maximum. The reversing handle problem while pulling line by hand happens when the lever drag is near full drag, with the spool filled to the brim. I don't have a scale to tell you the exact number in pounds.
Sending the reel out from Greece to the US will probably not be too expensive, maybe $20 max. Getting it back, I have no idea, probably the same, but unfortunately I need this reel to fish, as it's my go to jigging reel.
I heard the newer reels also have a strike position, which would be very practical for me, as I now have to rely on how tight the line feels by hand to set the lever drag.
Quote from: Jon_Kol on October 29, 2016, 07:40:38 AM
I've never experienced anything like this with my SG.
Are you sure the pre-set knob and the brake cam assembly is correct, have you opened the reel previously? If so, could one of the mentioned parts not be installed the way they should? I can't see how the pre-set knob should be able to go up a click or two by moving the lever, unless the drag is set very hard and the force required to move the lever from Free somehow pushes sideways on the pre-set knob to an extent where the pre-set knob slips up a click.. I'm not at all sure, sounds like a puzzling case.
How much drag have you set via the pre-set knob to before you test the reel by pushing the lever towards Strike or Full?
And how much will you have to spend on shipping if you need to get the reel serviced abroad?
Quote from: nik33134 on October 29, 2016, 10:27:24 AM
The preset knob is set to half a turn away from maximum. The reversing handle problem while pulling line by hand happens when the lever drag is near full drag, with the spool filled to the brim.
Doesn't half a turn from the maximum setting indicate a very high level of drag? From how I picture it, I would assume that just getting the lever out of Free would take some force if the pre-set knob is set so tight?
Quote from: Jon_Kol on October 29, 2016, 08:24:24 PM
Doesn't half a turn from the maximum setting indicate a very high level of drag? From how I picture it, I would assume that just getting the lever out of Free would take some force if the pre-set knob is set so tight?
No, not such a high level. Getting the lever out of free requires almost no force at all. And it any case, I have the preset knob set there (at half a turn away from max) as a reference, for testing purposes. I usually preset it at less than that.
How can I tell if my reel has a dog?
Quote from: nik33134 on November 15, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
How can I tell if my reel has a dog?
Truth Lever Drag?
here's page out of Truth reel's site;
http://www.truthreels.com/products/truth-reels-sg-small-game-smoke-silver
you can see the dog in the middle pic...
tight lines!
Mine is the older model without the strike button. I'll open it up for cleaning and see for my self.
I was out fishing yesterday, and found the anti-reverse to be slipping again, when under good pressure. So I guess my reel doesn't have a dog either. Now I have to see how I can stop the bearing from slipping backwards. Any ideas?
nik click this
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9647.15
scroll down and you will see that it(1st gen SG i think) has a dog. did you open your reel?
I read that you unscrewed the pre-set knob. When you screwed it back in was the lever in free spool?
Quote from: nik33134 on November 20, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
I was out fishing yesterday, and found the anti-reverse to be slipping again, when under good pressure. So I guess my reel doesn't have a dog either. Now I have to see how I can stop the bearing from slipping backwards. Any ideas?
Contact Truth Reels. They may ask you to send it back and will often fix and upgrade to the newest design if the failure was a design flaw.
Quote from: Bryan Young on November 20, 2016, 04:18:20 PM
Contact Truth Reels. They may ask you to send it back and will often fix and upgrade to the newest design if the failure was a design flaw.
Also ask if they'll pay for freight from and back to Greece, nothing to lose if you ask...
http://www.truthreels.com/pages/contact-us
Quote from: Potiguar - AKA MeL B on November 20, 2016, 02:00:33 PM
nik click this
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9647.15
scroll down and you will see that it(1st gen SG i think) has a dog. did you open your reel?
I read that you unscrewed the pre-set knob. When you screwed it back in was the lever in free spool?
I always have the lever drag in free spool when I adjust the pre-set knob, as I read somewhere (probably here) that I could damage the reel if I don't do so. I checked out the link, and it seems that already from early 2014, the SG came with a dog. I bought my reel early 2015, so mine should have it as well. So it seems that the clutch is slipping (when the drag is set quite high), and the dog is not engaging either. How probable is that? Anyways, I will also contact Truth Reels and see what can be done. If I do send it to them, I'll need another overhand reel to replace it while it's gone, either a Metaloid 5 2speed or a Torium 16. Thanks for the suggestion.
Quote from: nik33134 on November 20, 2016, 08:33:56 PM
I always have the lever drag in free spool when I adjust the pre-set knob
I meant after completely removing(unscrewing all the way) the pre-set knob do you put the lever to free spool when putting it back?
Yes
i have the Andros 5IINa and Torium 16 lefty, go with the metaloid because you already have a single speed and a 2 spd makes life when you are winching that "beast" just my honest opinion...but if you are going to cast the torium will do a better job out of the box. good luck and tight lines!
No casting for me, just jigging and bottom fishing. I'm leaning towards the Metaloid 2 speed.
It sounds like the spring as slipped.
Check out this post about half way through. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16979.0
I would still contact them, take some photos of your parts and describe what is going on. The may send you a few springs, a replacement dog and/or a new gear set to fix the issue. It's probably cheaper than them shipping the reel back to you.
Good idea Bryan, I'll check the dog and spring, and contact Truth reels for parts. How do I remove the retaining wire? With a screwdriver or a blade?
I used a jewelers screwdriver like the kind you use for eye glasses.
So today I managed to open up the reel and found out that it has the dog with the spring in place but it doesn't work. The edge that's supposed to grab the gear seems rough, or worn out. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to remove either the main gear bearing, or the anti-reverse bearing, so I used CRC6-66 to clean and lube the anti-reverse externally. That didn't work either, so the handle still spins backwards when line is pulled out, even at low drag pressure. I guess I'll have to contact someone at Truth reels as I am at loss.
Quote from: nik33134 on November 25, 2016, 09:08:30 PM
So today I managed to open up the reel and found out that it has the dog with the spring in place but it doesn't work. The edge that's supposed to grab the gear seems rough, or worn out. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to remove either the main gear bearing, or the anti-reverse bearing, so I used CRC6-66 to clean and lube the anti-reverse externally. That didn't work either, so the handle still spins backwards when line is pulled out, even at low drag pressure. I guess I'll have to contact someone at Truth reels as I am at loss.
Same thing happned with my first Truth LG. Write to Truth and explain (send pictures). I was given a new reel cos of this failure, both the AR-B and the dog had failed and were broken.
I emailed with Will over at Seigler reels and he sent me a new dog, AR bearing and few more parts just in case, and all free of charge. Response was very quick and I am a very happy customer. Thanks again Will and Seigler Reels, no complaints whatsoever. Great service and great reels.
Quote from: nik33134 on October 28, 2016, 10:44:06 PM
Hey Joe, you sure it's the anti-reverse? When I try to pull the handle backwards it doesn't slip. I also noticed that sometimes when I push the lever drag, the drag preset knob will also move one or two clicks, which is very annoying because I have to adjust it back all the time, or my drag gets too strong.
Hi guys,
I've also had the same problem with the drag preset moving one or two clicks on my SG lefties to the point that one in particular can lock up - originally posted on the first of the release/truth/Seigler entries. Nik did you sort it out, my reels are both set at 8lb of drag off the reel or about 10 through the rod, so no massive numbers.
As I'm in Western Australia don't want to send the reels back. Have emailed but had no replies. Anyone any ideas or got direct email to Seigler, I am technologically challenged so may have hit wrong buttons when trying to contact them. Likely as from what I have read here and elsewhere everyone raves about their after service.
Cheers,
Hi Howard, I did not solve this particular problem. I think it's a problem with the positive feedback of the preset knob. By positive feedback I mean that the preset knob is not clicky enough. If it was clickier it wouldn't move by itself, or when accidentally touched. I would try a stronger spring, but I don't know if that will affect the drag.
Hi Nik,
Thanks for the reply and sorry you've not been able to sort your problem out. I'll strip mine down when I have time, at the moment looking after grandson (fishing with him in a few hours) and renovating. Will also try spring if everything else looks OK, thanks. As far as the Metaloid, great reel, have a 5 two speed, awesome, just wish they did a 5N in a lefty.
Cheers,
Howard
Hi again Nik,
Did you ever get a reply from Seigler? I've had none. Go the Metaloid two speed, absolutely awesome,dropping down a gear when it's big is amazing the extra hurt you can put on them, rather than they on you. Having said that got completely stitched by a big yellow tail king last time we were out, but it was the size of a small submarine in about 10 metres of very reefs water.
Cheers,
Howard
Here you can see the problem with the preset knob moving. Check at 2:40 , 3:00 and 3:20 of the following video
https://youtu.be/2wSo0CZDIhY?t=159
Got a reply from Will at Seigler who put me in touch with their dealer here in Australia (who it turns out was a student of one of my colleagues at Murdoch - small world). Seems the problem is if the thrust bearing goes it can cause the cam to wear on its key and this then causes the drag to "self" adjust. I checked the cam and there is a lot of play on bothe reels. Chris, the dealer here sent me a new cam and bearing and, as long as this fixes the problem, will get another for the other reel and order a SGN. Hope this helps anyone else with similar problems.
Cheers, Howard
Hi Howard, I did not pursue the sliding drag matter any further, I just learned to live with it, since I don't set my drag too high. What exactly is this cam you're talking about? Is it that disc that's inside the drag preset knob? Does the youtube video I posted show the problem you have with the drag?
Hi Nik,
Yes the cam is the brass/bronze disc inside the preset knob. Will, at Seigler, told me to undo the drag preset, take the cam out and then put it on th part that sticks out of the reel (you will know what to do when you see it), if it turns more than 4 mm on the outside of the cam, then you need a new cam and probably a new thrust bearing. He reckoned that a worn cam can cause a "plethora" (his words) of problems with the drag. I suggest you contact him and get new cam and thrust bearing sent, he put me in touch with their new dealer here and got one set sent and another is on its way for my other one. Good service once they answered their emails, and love the reels and, like you, only used on light drag settings. Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Howard
Hey Howard, then I already have an extra cam that Will sent me some time ago. I just never replaced it because I didn't know if anything was wrong with the original one. I will replace it as soon as I get a chance and will let you know if that took care of the problem...
Hi Nik,
Hope it works for you and for me when I get round to it. Still trying to get the trailer/van sorted and then the reel. And then, hopefully the estuary will get warm enough this year to chase whiting (not the ones you get in the North Sea Atlantic, like mini bonefish and taste delicious) on surface lures on the flats and when the wind and swell are down use the reel for Samsons (in my picture) and yellow tail kings prior to the demurs all season opening. Good luck with the reel.
Cheers,
Howard
Hi Nik, Hope the replacement cam worked and that you're not too cold, it's a balmy 24C here during the day and bloody cold at night , 19C at the moment at 10pm. Waiting for a lefty LGN to arrive and when finances allow will order a lefty SGN. Love these reels for the price and, now that they have a local dealer, the warranty. Kind regards and happy new year to you and all on this site, Howard
Hi Howard, and a happy new year to you too. I haven't been out to sea for quite some time now so I didn't try it out yet. Temperature here in Greece is a little cold, but not too bad. 10-13C daytime and 6-8C at night.