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Title: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Whino83 on April 22, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
I have been pier fishing the Chesapeake bay for cobia here in VA my whole life. I live in the mountains and only make it down 14-20 (ish) days a summer but reguardless ive been doing it since I was a little kid. As a youngster I started off with a penn 4/0 and a squidder and I later ended up with a pair of them that I fished with for many years catching loads of fish. Later i switched over to a pair of penn 545's and they never failed me just like the squidders didn't. This year I sold my 545's and picked me up a couple of very clean squidders off eBay and put Newell bars and spools on them, jigmaster handles, and 25lb mono.....just like the good ole days and they are gorgeous....I just love the old penn reels, especially a squidder. Okay with all that here comes my question....a few friends of mine are giving me crap saying that my Squidders aren't up for the task. Now I know this isn't true, I've witnessed them work by others and myself. Granted ther(http://[img])[/img]e are newer/nicer options I'm old school and cut my teeth with old penn reels. I figure a squidder is good for a max drag roughly at 8#'s and running 25lb mono is a perfect match. So instead of me keep telling these "kids" they don't know what they're talking about is there any "good" technical data I can throw at these kids or any one liners that I'm not thinking of? Haha. I'm no reel expert but I know what's in a squidders ability and what's not. Kids these days just don't understand the beauty of a vintage reel. I think this post was more of a rant than anything but it felt good, thanks for reading. Lol. I'd attach pics if I New how too!
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on April 22, 2017, 12:19:50 PM
In the immortal words of Led-Zepplin 'Ramble On'  --  If it works for you ignore the 'kids' :)
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: foakes on April 22, 2017, 02:31:40 PM
The Squidder is one of the best reels ever made -- by a company that every other reel manufacturer has tried to imitate in one way or another.

But the Squidders, Jigmasters, and "99's" just keep going.

You did very well by installing the Newell bars and Spools and upgraded cranks.  You have likely already addressed the drags by installing new CFs with SS discs and greased with Cal's? -- if not, consider that along with a new Delrin under gear washer.  Your pair of Squidders will be smooth as a hot knife through butter -- at all drag ranges -- from lightest through full lock down.  Keep your bearings clean and greased -- and you are Gold.

Maybe pick up a couple more Newell spools -- then spool them with fresh mono for quick changeouts while the rest of the guys are untangling line messes.  Mono is cheap compared to braid -- and switching it out every year is a good thing if fishing 14-20 days a year.

Just tell the youngsters that Squidders don't need to brag -- they just catch fish.

Good job on resurrecting those great and proven Squidders that are so capable.

Looking forward to some pics.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: mo65 on April 22, 2017, 02:42:35 PM
   Well...you said the magic words already... I've witnessed them work by others and myself.
  8)
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Bryan Young on April 22, 2017, 03:04:06 PM
And if you feel that you are out gunned, and need a little bling, Cortez Conversions has a sweet aluminum frame and side plate kit coupled with one of my 5-stack drag kits with a steel gear, you'd be amazed what more that reel can do.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: MarkT on April 22, 2017, 03:28:20 PM
I don't like the low speed but that does make them winches.  Your's is the 140?
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: mikeysm on April 22, 2017, 04:25:27 PM
The squidder will last forever and parts are everywhere. Mild to wild. The new reels have very little parts and will disappear in a year or two. That way they can sell you another expensive reel. They have so many different models and need to stock a lot of different parts. Penn parts interchange with other models . The other manufactures don't do this very much except for Abu. Penn and Abu have been profitable for a long time because of this. The parts are everywhere except for a few models. They will still be around when all the rest have disappeared. They still catch the same fish as all the rest for half the cost or less. The people who preach that always want the latitude and greatest. I myself do a little of both but always go back to what works and easy to buy parts.

Mike
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Whino83 on April 22, 2017, 06:35:56 PM
Yes both of mine are 140's. I do need to install new drag washers. They basically have no drag and then a ton of drag all of a sudden. The drags are very "jerky" as well. But I'd planned on buying a few new sets of the HT-100's and just swap out the fiber washers (it's what I used to do back in the day) but unless anyone has any other suggestions I'd love to hear them. Lmao what is a Delrin?
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: foakes on April 22, 2017, 07:24:41 PM
Quote from: Whino83 on April 22, 2017, 06:35:56 PM
Lmao what is a Delrin?

If you install SS drag discs, CF discs greased with Cal's, and an under gear Delrin washer -- your jerkiness will be gone -- plus your reel will be improved greatly.

Delrin is a PTFE or Acetate based hard compound.  When used as an under gear washer -- it actually acts as a bearing for smoothness -- and adjustable resistance -- and will likely not ever wear out or degrade.

Dawn at Smooth Drag, on our site, has these readily available -- and they are a cheap and useful upgrade.

Sal (AltoMare) on our site probably has the most experience with these -- and if Sal recommends them -- that is the end of the story.

You could also just order a slightly smaller OD CF -- lightly grease it  -- and it will do a terrific job also.

If using Delrin -- do not grease it -- it is already very slippery -- and works perfect just as is.

What you are doing, is increasing the drag numbers with the CFs -- then tripling the smoothness and longevity.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: fishhawk on April 22, 2017, 09:23:58 PM
Good stuff!  Does anyone have dimensions or mcmaster part# for the under gear delrin washer for the squidder? I have plenty for the jigmasters can these be modified to fit the squidders?
Mark
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Cortez_Conversions on April 23, 2017, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: fishhawk on April 22, 2017, 09:23:58 PM
Good stuff!  Does anyone have dimensions or mcmaster part# for the under gear delrin washer for the squidder? I have plenty for the jigmasters can these be modified to fit the squidders?
Mark

If there isn't an off the shelf washer, let me know and I'll work some up.
Tom
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Alto Mare on April 23, 2017, 12:54:46 AM
Quote from: Whino83 on April 22, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
I have been pier fishing the Chesapeake bay for cobia here in VA my whole life. I live in the mountains and only make it down 14-20 (ish) days a summer but reguardless ive been doing it since I was a little kid. As a youngster I started off with a penn 4/0 and a squidder and I later ended up with a pair of them that I fished with for many years catching loads of fish. Later i switched over to a pair of penn 545's and they never failed me just like the squidders didn't. This year I sold my 545's and picked me up a couple of very clean squidders off eBay and put Newell bars and spools on them, jigmaster handles, and 25lb mono.....just like the good ole days and they are gorgeous....I just love the old penn reels, especially a squidder. Okay with all that here comes my question....a few friends of mine are giving me crap saying that my Squidders aren't up for the task. Now I know this isn't true, I've witnessed them work by others and myself. Granted ther(http://[img])[/img]e are newer/nicer options I'm old school and cut my teeth with old penn reels. I figure a squidder is good for a max drag roughly at 8#'s and running 25lb mono is a perfect match. So instead of me keep telling these "kids" they don't know what they're talking about is there any "good" technical data I can throw at these kids or any one liners that I'm not thinking of? Haha. I'm no reel expert but I know what's in a squidders ability and what's not. Kids these days just don't understand the beauty of a vintage reel. I think this post was more of a rant than anything but it felt good, thanks for reading. Lol. I'd attach pics if I New how too!
Let the kids get some experience the flashy new gear so they can compare. No need to force them to like our vintage reels, it will come to them naturally, when they get older and wiser.

Sal
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Cor on April 23, 2017, 01:31:11 AM
The proof is in the pudding........If the reel does what you want it to and catches the fish and better still is cheap and durable, use it, don't let others psyche you out!

Personally I never liked these reels, we only had Jigmasters 500 (if I remember the number correctly)
This may not be a fair statement as I dont really remember why.   One thing was the line got between the spool and the frame, but that may just have been that particular reel.

Quote from: MarkT on April 22, 2017, 03:28:20 PM
I don't like the low speed but that does make them winches.  Your's is the 140?
Ditto, I always found the retrieve to slow as well, but I was trying to do with it what it was not suitable for.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Whino83 on April 23, 2017, 10:36:37 AM
I am definitely installing new drag washers and I appreciate the advice on that. Anything to improve the squidders small drag stack is a major A+! There are much more suitable/modern reels but I just like them. They are easy to clean for a "clean freak" like myself. The ability to swap the spools out on the fly is a huge plus as well. The retrieve is slow but feels better with a longer (jigmaster) handle. The best reels I ever fished were a pair of Penn 980's. They casted like a dream and we're very stout reels. I gave those to my dad about 7-8 years ago as he was in love with them and he still uses them today. Last summer on the pier my dad hooked up on a big cobia on my mom's rod (5' custom stand up with a squidder, 25lb mono, and a accu frame) and those kids were laughing......20 ish minutes later a 55lb cobia was flopping on the deck of the pier and those younger guys weren't laughing anymore, haha. Everyone has what works for them. I guess growing up fishing old squidders just kinda gives me a good feeling inside and I've caught lots of fish over the years so I guess Id rather catch fish moving forward with the reels I started with.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: thorhammer on April 23, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
I have the magpowers, all the GS series and just got some squidder AR springs from Mo yesterday to finish off two bone pile 140's to add to the other half dozen.  Each of these is great in it's intended application. I used squidders in surf for years and low geared in some massive rays off the bottom while drum fishing.  They are up to snuff and were in production for about 80 years with little design change.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Bryan Young on April 23, 2017, 03:36:43 PM
How many Delrin washers do you need?  I may have a few that a friend gave to me to try but I didn't have a squidder until a couple months ago and the second squidder I received in a trade went to Alan Tani.

PM me your address and I'll mail them out to you.

If you want to improve your Drags, I put together a 5 stack drag kit at the request of our members. Please look here. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10613.0

If you do, I highly recommend using a stainless steel gear sleeve. See MysticParts.com (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-155AT.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-155AT.aspx)) or Cortez Conversions (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17456.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17456.0)).  If you don't go with the stainless steel gear sleeve, the area where the handle arm mates with the gear sleeve will round and the handle would get wobbly.

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: mo65 on April 23, 2017, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 23, 2017, 03:36:43 PM
If you do, I highly recommend using a stainless steel gear sleeve. See MysitcParts.com (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-155AT.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-155AT.aspx)) or Cortez Conversions (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17456.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17456.0)).  If you don't go with the stainless steel gear sleeve, the area where the handle arm mates with the gear sleeve will round and the handle would get wobbly.

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

  Hey Brian, would you happen to know if anyone has the #98-155 steel sleeve in second generation cut?
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: sdlehr on April 23, 2017, 07:03:39 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on April 23, 2017, 11:01:50 AMwere in production for about 80 years with little design change.
I believe there were changes made to the spool over the years, as new line materials developed and their unintended consequences had to be dealt with, but the frame, side plates and guts didn't change at all over the __ years of production. John said 80 years, I had thought about 75, and when I look it up I find that production stopped in 2006 (from MysticParts page). First production year was '39. So that's 68 years of production. It's like the alligator that's hardly changed over millions of years. It hasn't had to.

Sid
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Bryan Young on April 24, 2017, 02:19:52 AM
Quote from: mo65 on April 23, 2017, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 23, 2017, 03:36:43 PM
If you do, I highly recommend using a stainless steel gear sleeve. See PennParts.com (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-155AT.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-155AT.aspx)) or Cortez Conversions (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17456.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17456.0)).  If you don't go with the stainless steel gear sleeve, the area where the handle arm mates with the gear sleeve will round and the handle would get wobbly.

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

  Hey Brian, would you happen to know if anyone has the #98-155 steel sleeve in second generation cut?

I don't believe so.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: mo65 on April 24, 2017, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 24, 2017, 02:19:52 AM
Quote from: mo65 on April 23, 2017, 06:38:05 PM
   Hey Brian, would you happen to know if anyone has the #98-155 steel sleeve in second generation cut?
I don't believe so.

   Hmm...This has me wondering where I got the one I used in my Surfmaster 150. I was thinking I got it from Scott's but I checked yesterday and they only had the standard cut ss sleeve. This photo shows the key cuts going all the way down to the ratchet. 8)
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Bryan Young on April 24, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: mo65 on April 24, 2017, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 24, 2017, 02:19:52 AM
Quote from: mo65 on April 23, 2017, 06:38:05 PM
  Hey Brian, would you happen to know if anyone has the #98-155 steel sleeve in second generation cut?
I don't believe so.

  Hmm...This has me wondering where I got the one I used in my Surfmaster 150. I was thinking I got it from Scott's but I checked yesterday and they only had the standard cut ss sleeve. This photo shows the key cuts going all the way down to the ratchet. 8)

I was wrong again. MysticParts.com has them.

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: conchydong on April 25, 2017, 01:20:13 AM
 Does Tom (Cortez Conversions) have a frame for the regular width 140? I am not really a hot rodder for my Penn star drags like many of you are here but I am thinking about doing it for my 140 just for surf fishing.  I do not surf fish that often but after three weeks of windy weather, I am ready for anything.
I have upgraded many of my Internationals though with Tib frames and Cal'd or Cofed tweaks. One of my favorites is my now rare Wilfish framed TLD 50.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on April 25, 2017, 12:21:29 PM
Agreed; I like casting a Squidder in the surf for throwing bait.   The plastic and aluminum spools cast well with the ball bearings.  I want to try magging them soon, mostly so that I can trust my kids to cast them without making a mess.  With a 3:1 retrieve ratio, they are a bit slow, often dragging the sinker on the sand, but what's the hurry? I'm waiting for the day when someone on this forum announces the availability of a higher ratio gear set ;).  That would make Squidder the new Jigmaster  ;D
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Keta on April 25, 2017, 01:31:43 PM
Quote from: fishhawk on April 22, 2017, 09:23:58 PM
Good stuff!  Does anyone have dimensions or mcmaster part# for the under gear delrin washer for the squidder? I have plenty for the jigmasters can these be modified to fit the squidders?
Mark

I use the same size washer for both, if the 500 washers you have OD is too large you can grind it to fit the smaller 5-60 main gear in the Squidder.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: mo65 on April 25, 2017, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: Decker on April 25, 2017, 12:21:29 PM
I'm waiting for the day when someone on this forum announces the availability of a higher ratio gear set ;).  That would make Squidder the new Jigmaster  ;D

    Just think...that gear would also fit Long Beaches, Surfmasters, Silverbeach 99s, and a host of others. It would have to be a good seller! It's always the same old song and dance though when someone asks why can't there be a faster Squidder gear. They say increasing tooth count makes the teeth too thin...and not strong enough. Well...my argument is...not strong enough for what? I don't want to fish for sharks with my Squidder. I see no reason someone can't make a 10-12 pound max. gear in a 4:1 ratio. Penn did it years ago in the Mag 10. Although theirs was bronze/brass, I've had no hiccups at 10-12lbs. A stainless steel version would just be stronger. Most folks would spool a Squidder with 20lb. mono, so if you pushed the drag to 10lbs. that would be at 50% of break strength. That's higher than most folks set drag, so a gear that could handle 12lbs. of drag would be a very usable gear. 8)
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: fishhawk on April 25, 2017, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: Keta on April 25, 2017, 01:31:43 PM
Quote from: fishhawk on April 22, 2017, 09:23:58 PM
Good stuff!  Does anyone have dimensions or mcmaster part# for the under gear delrin washer for the squidder? I have plenty for the jigmasters can these be modified to fit the squidders?
Mark

I use the same size washer for both, if the 500 washers you have OD is too large you can grind it to fit the smaller 5-60 main gear in the Squidder.

Thank-you Keeta!
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: oc1 on April 25, 2017, 05:56:22 PM
The speed depends on the circumference of the main gear versus circumference of the pinion.  The pinion can't be made smaller, so the main gear has to be made larger.  Then the main gear has to be made to fit in the side plate.  Then the side plate gets larger or has a drop-down.  You can't get there from here.
-steve
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on April 25, 2017, 06:44:49 PM
Quote from: oc1 on April 25, 2017, 05:56:22 PM
The speed depends on the circumference of the main gear versus circumference of the pinion.  The pinion can't be made smaller, so the main gear has to be made larger.  Then the main gear has to be made to fit in the side plate.  Then the side plate gets larger or has a drop-down.  You can't get there from here.
-steve

I'll believe it when Sal says so! ;D
"Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will."
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: mo65 on April 26, 2017, 12:39:30 AM
   From another point of view, you have to wonder if it's really worth the trouble of working up a faster gear. There's really not much gain going from 3.3:1 to 4:1, and that's about the most that could be gained and still fit in a stock side plate. Sorta like the 505 Jigmaster being raised from 4:1 to 5:1...and the truth is it's only really 4.7:1. Hmm...no free lunch...8)
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: oc1 on April 26, 2017, 01:00:38 AM
I was trying to be a condescending as I could in hopes of spurring Sal to find the solution.  In the end, it wouldn't really be a squidder though.
-steve
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Swami805 on April 26, 2017, 02:55:25 AM
This was a week ago Saturday at the local pier. Caught it by casting under the pier in the center of a group of pillings. 146 squidder on a 11 foot steel head rod with an 8# floro leader. Great reel for finesse fishing when a smooth drag and low speed are needed. Newell kit, jiggy handle, all time great reel. This one was my dads hope to pass it on to my grandson. Sheridan
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Porthos on May 13, 2017, 06:29:35 AM
Quote from: Whino83 on April 22, 2017, 11:27:38 AM...a few friends of mine are giving me crap saying that my Squidders aren't up for the task. Now I know this isn't true, I've witnessed them work by others and myself. Granted ther(http://[img])[/img]e are newer/nicer options I'm old school and cut my teeth with old penn reels. I figure a squidder is good for a max drag roughly at 8#'s and running 25lb mono is a perfect match.

Huh...well, since I can and have fished my upgraded Monofil 27 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15627.0) at 11-12lbs drag and 50lb braid main with 40lb mono top shot consistently offshore, you can ignore the smack talk from your "friends" in the peanut gallery. An upgraded Squidder with a Tiburon frame, 5-stack, and stainless parts can do at least the same and more. But size-wise, a 40lb setup is the upper limit, IMHO, for these reels; pushing them to 50 lb test or more just doesn't seem prudent...YMMV.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Jim Fujitani on May 13, 2017, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: conchydong on April 25, 2017, 01:20:13 AM
I have upgraded many of my Internationals though with Tib frames and Cal'd or Cofed tweaks. One of my favorites is my now rare Wilfish framed TLD 50.

Did Wilfish stop the production of their 50TLDII frame?  I have a TLD30II with the Wilfish frame.  I live only about 15 miles from their shop but rarely get up there.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: conchydong on May 14, 2017, 01:16:16 AM
I believe they did stop production of them (50 frames)ey may have some laying around, but I am not 100% sure.  They are great people to deal with. I like my 50TLD frame a lot although it does add significant weight to the reel. I use it for high speed wahoo trolling where it stays in the rod holder.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Bryan Young on May 14, 2017, 06:21:27 AM
Quote from: Jim Fujitani on May 13, 2017, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: conchydong on April 25, 2017, 01:20:13 AM
I have upgraded many of my Internationals though with Tib frames and Cal'd or Cofed tweaks. One of my favorites is my now rare Wilfish framed TLD 50.

Did Wilfish stop the production of their 50TLDII frame?  I have a TLD30II with the Wilfish frame.  I live only about 15 miles from their shop but rarely get up there.

Hi Jim,

Were they made in Auburn?  I think someone told me while I visit my custom up there. Could. It locate anyone that knew anything or would talk.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Swami805 on May 14, 2017, 12:55:26 PM
I saw a post from them on BD yesterday. I think it's new owners and they're doing 20's and 30's but didn't mention anything about 50's. I'd post a link but never figured out how to do that.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: conchydong on May 14, 2017, 10:36:13 PM
Here is the link and no mention of bringing back the 50 frame. Looks like they are just selling the remainder of the 20s and 30s from existing stock.
https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/posts/4331237/
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on May 15, 2017, 12:41:30 PM
Let's get this thread back on track... ;)

Quote from: Porthos on May 13, 2017, 06:29:35 AM
Quote from: Whino83 on April 22, 2017, 11:27:38 AM...a few friends of mine are giving me crap saying that my Squidders aren't up for the task. Now I know this isn't true, I've witnessed them work by others and myself. Granted ther(http://[img])[/img]e are newer/nicer options I'm old school and cut my teeth with old penn reels. I figure a squidder is good for a max drag roughly at 8#'s and running 25lb mono is a perfect match.

Huh...well, since I can and have fished my upgraded Monofil 27 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15627.0) at 11-12lbs drag and 50lb braid main with 40lb mono top shot consistently offshore, you can ignore the smack talk from your "friends" in the peanut gallery. An upgraded Squidder with a Tiburon frame, 5-stack, and stainless parts can do at least the same and more. But size-wise, a 40lb setup is the upper limit, IMHO, for these reels; pushing them to 50 lb test or more just doesn't seem prudent...YMMV.

Porthos inspires me with his stories of pushing Penns to fight in higher weight classes...  I can't wait to try a Penn Mag 970 on school tuna someday ;D.  My Squidders are ready to chunk from the surf, and have wrassled potent gator blues out of the wash.  My current favorite is the 145 - good manageable size in hand and enough line capacity.  With service & upgrades I expect to use these reels for my mortal remainder and pass them on. Thanks to classic Penn sellers and Alan Tani!     
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Keta on May 15, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: Decker on May 15, 2017, 12:41:30 PM


Porthos inspires me with his stories of pushing Penns to fight in higher weight classes...  I can't wait to try a Penn Mag 970 on school tuna someday ;D.  



I have caught albacore on Penn Surfmaster 100 and ABU 5600 reels.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on May 15, 2017, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Keta on May 15, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: Decker on May 15, 2017, 12:41:30 PM


Porthos inspires me with his stories of pushing Penns to fight in higher weight classes...  I can't wait to try a Penn Mag 970 on school tuna someday ;D. 



I have caught albacore on Surfmaster 10 and ABU 5600 reels.

How many pounds are those albacore out there, Lee? Is that from a boat? That is one of the tastiest fish!   I need to try the Surfmaster 100 myself.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: fishhawk on May 15, 2017, 01:25:52 PM
Glad to hear these stories of conquest for the smaller penn's. I myself since joining this site have built 3 squidders. 146 w/ plates sleeves n drag kits, 145 w/ plates, sleeve n drag kits and a newelled 146 but I haven't got to fish them yet! I love the way they handle n cast! Can't wait to get 'em in the surf!
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Keta on May 15, 2017, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Decker on May 15, 2017, 01:15:25 PM





How many pounds are those albacore out there, Lee? Is that from a boat? That is one of the tastiest fish!   I need to try the Surfmaster 100 myself.

18 pounds is small, 40 is large and 25 is average.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on May 15, 2017, 01:49:46 PM
Quote from: Keta on May 15, 2017, 01:39:37 PM
18 pounds is small, 40 is large and 25 is average.
I need to get in on that action!
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Keta on May 15, 2017, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: Decker on May 15, 2017, 01:49:46 PM
Quote from: Keta on May 15, 2017, 01:39:37 PM
18 pounds is small, 40 is large and 25 is average.
I need to get in on that action!

20 fish on the boat days are common, the bag limit is 25 per day per person.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on May 15, 2017, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Keta on May 15, 2017, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: Decker on May 15, 2017, 01:49:46 PM
Quote from: Keta on May 15, 2017, 01:39:37 PM
18 pounds is small, 40 is large and 25 is average.
I need to get in on that action!

20 fish on the boat days are common, the bag limit is 25 per day per person.

That'll put your Cal's grease to work, and fill up the freezer for months!
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Jim Fujitani on May 15, 2017, 02:57:27 PM
One of the things that got me hooked on fishing for pelagics and multi day trips out of San diego was on my first albacore trip out of Half Moon Bay over 20 years ago.  The 12 hour trip was a troll/jig trip since there were few live bait trips (nearest bait receiver was at Fishermans wharf in San Francisco). My arsenal consisted of Jigmasters and Squidders on steelhead and salmon rods, with troll rigs provided by the boat. 

I was casting swimbaits with my Squider with 20# Big Game mono on a steelhead rod.  I got a hit and could not control the fish.  The fish took drag due west at high speed.  I could not turn it or control it.  3/4 of my spool was gone in I'd guess, five seconds or less.  I made an instant decision to break it off or last ditch turn it.  I wrapped the mono around my arm and pointed my rod at the fish.  The fish broke off and I got most of my line back.
In retrospect, the fish may have been a big albacore (unlikely), a big BFT, a thresher or a mako.  And now, I'd fight the fish to the last coil on the Squidder.  It wasn't the Squidder that limited my fight, but the steelhead rod without enough back bone.     
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on May 15, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
Jim, thanks.  Like hearing your story on a Monday morning!  :o /Joe
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Porthos on May 16, 2017, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Decker on May 15, 2017, 12:41:30 PM
Let's get this thread back on track... ;)...I can't wait to try a Penn Mag 970 on school tuna someday ;D...

In case you haven't seen this:
https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/tribute-7-19-7-21-1-5-day-took-home-1-fish.505359/

The rod and the line were the Achilles heel in that fight. Had it been a 30-50 rod with 40lb test, the fight would have been less painful. There's a photo of me and the deckhand right after the BFT had been gaffed...let me see if I can find it...
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on May 16, 2017, 12:50:35 PM
Quote from: Porthos on May 16, 2017, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Decker on May 15, 2017, 12:41:30 PM
Let's get this thread back on track... ;)...I can't wait to try a Penn Mag 970 on school tuna someday ;D...

In case you haven't seen this:
https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/tribute-7-19-7-21-1-5-day-took-home-1-fish.505359/

The rod and the line were the Achilles heel in that fight. Had it been a 30-50 rod with 40lb test, the fight would have been less painful.

Nice story, Amadeus ;D;enjoyed your writing!  I've got to get out to fish the Cali coast someday, and will look you up when I do.  Classic Penns only on that trip.  /Joe 
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Porthos on May 16, 2017, 12:59:09 PM
...and here it is:

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/2013_50lb_BFT_zpsmlbabjz5.jpg)
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Decker on May 16, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
NICE!
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: fishhawk on May 16, 2017, 01:30:57 PM
Wow! and on a 970! Good job man! I bet that was a blast!
Mark
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Keta on May 16, 2017, 02:22:24 PM
Quote from: Porthos on May 16, 2017, 12:59:09 PM
...and here it is:

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/2013_50lb_BFT_zpsmlbabjz5.jpg)

Nice!
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: Alto Mare on May 17, 2017, 12:19:14 AM
Nice shot Wai!

Sal
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: ez2cdave on June 08, 2017, 11:07:33 PM
I absolutely LOVE Squidders . . . ! ! !

Here are a couple of mine : Note that I "bobbed" the Reverse Lever to prevent it from accidentally being activated and because it rubbed my hand uncomfortably.

Tight Lines !

Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: thorhammer on June 09, 2017, 01:04:43 AM
Nice Dave. I for one have no use for the direct drive and don't see how you would in surf fishing. allz that happens is something touches it in transport and have a nice nest to take out of the truck.

You should investigate one of Tom's Cortez Classic 146 kits if you love Squidderdom. It's a Shelby Cobra next to a stock 'Stang.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: ez2cdave on August 12, 2017, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: mo65 on April 25, 2017, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: Decker on April 25, 2017, 12:21:29 PM
I'm waiting for the day when someone on this forum announces the availability of a higher ratio gear set ;).  That would make Squidder the new Jigmaster  ;D

   Just think...that gear would also fit Long Beaches, Surfmasters, Silverbeach 99s, and a host of others. It would have to be a good seller! It's always the same old song and dance though when someone asks why can't there be a faster Squidder gear. They say increasing tooth count makes the teeth too thin...and not strong enough. Well...my argument is...not strong enough for what? I don't want to fish for sharks with my Squidder. I see no reason someone can't make a 10-12 pound max. gear in a 4:1 ratio. Penn did it years ago in the Mag 10. Although theirs was bronze/brass, I've had no hiccups at 10-12lbs. A stainless steel version would just be stronger. Most folks would spool a Squidder with 20lb. mono, so if you pushed the drag to 10lbs. that would be at 50% of break strength. That's higher than most folks set drag, so a gear that could handle 12lbs. of drag would be a very usable gear. 8)

Maybe CORTEZ CONVERSIONS could re-create the MAGNUM SQUIDDER . . .

Tight Lines !
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: kmstorm64 on August 24, 2018, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: Whino83 on April 22, 2017, 06:35:56 PM
Yes both of mine are 140's. I do need to install new drag washers. They basically have no drag and then a ton of drag all of a sudden. The drags are very "jerky" as well. But I'd planned on buying a few new sets of the HT-100's and just swap out the fiber washers (it's what I used to do back in the day) but unless anyone has any other suggestions I'd love to hear them. Lmao what is a Delrin?

Sounds like course thread gear sleeve. If you decided to stay with brass and go to fine thread it is a few bucks or go SS and maybe spend $30 for the sleeve and drag star.
Title: Re: UnderGunned with a Squidder??
Post by: steelfish on August 25, 2018, 12:45:19 AM
Quote from: ez2cdave on August 12, 2017, 12:14:03 AM

Maybe CORTEZ CONVERSIONS could re-create the MAGNUM SQUIDDER . . .

Tight Lines !

Im waiting patiently for Tom to re-create 113h Magnum