I've had this one for a long time and never used it or serviced it. The drags are really sticky so it surely needs some maintenance work. I know zilch about these reels. It has really smooth 4/1 gears and cranks nice and smooth. strong click too. The reel overall is a solid 8, just because it has a few scratches, most of which are on each side of the top crossbar. The chrome all looks great. Sorry, no clamp, but a stock Penn graphite clamp can easily be found.
Todays deal is $130 (priority) shipped anywhere in the USA
Couple more.
Pic #2 shows the scratches in anodize that are just in this crossbar area
Click on pictures for enlarged view
That might be too good of a deal for me to pass up.
Can you wait until next week for payment though?
Quote from: Tightlines666 on November 02, 2017, 08:59:01 PM
That might be too good of a deal for me to pass up.
Can you wait until next week for payment though?
No problem John, this reel is a good candidate for your workbench. I might even be able to fit a jar of albacore in the box too !! ;D
I'll send it out tomorrow
Ted
That's a beauty!
Man i missed this one... :-[
Dang! Smoking deal!
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 02, 2017, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on November 02, 2017, 08:59:01 PM
That might be too good of a deal for me to pass up.
Can you wait until next week for payment though?
No problem John, this reel is a good candidate for your workbench. I might even be able to fit a jar of albacore in the box too !! ;D
That would be great!
I will make sure to send you some canned YET, once I get around to catching/canning some.
Thanks Ted![/color]
John
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I'll send it out tomorrow
Ted
Nice grab at a smokin' price!
Gone in 60 seconds...well, not quite, but 10 minutes... WOW!
Rumor has it that some lucky guy in Hawaii scored a frame for this reel from who else but Randy Pauly.... ;) ;)
.....any updates on your build yet John ??
Yes I missed that one . What deal !!
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 26, 2017, 10:59:20 PM
Rumor has it that some lucky guy in Hawaii scored a frame for this reel from who else but Randy Pauly.... ;) ;)
.....any updates on your build yet John ??
Thanks to Ted & Randy, I am all set to try to put this reel back into service. I intend to try to set it up to fish 15-18lbs of drag and fish 65lb spectra, with a 50 floro topshot. Gonna mount it on a 350g Shimano jigging rod, and use it to deep drop live Akule, and deep jig coin jigs on a spreader bar, and butterfly jigs for 20-60lb YFT at the bouys.
I also found a custom wrapped Shimano Tallus TLS-72MH for my hotrodded Penn spinner (from Dan) spooled with 50lb braid. This will be used for tossing topwaters, and surface jigs, as well as some mid and deep water jigging.
Also found a custom wrapped, fully rollered CalStar 660SH to fish my hot-rodded Senator 6/0 spooled with straight 50 floro. My other hot-rodded 6/0 Is on a stock Shimano standup rod. These guys will be used for surface trolling flys, chunking, and live lining Akule.
These 50 class set ups should work for catching the 20-60lb Shibis we have around the fads this time of year.
I have been busy messing with my boat, and one evening of catching live bait this past week, so I haven't had a chance to break the 12h down yet. I plan to get to it soon though, so I can get parts before next weekend. I will provide an update when available.
Thanks again to Ted & Randy for hooking me up with a sweet little reel.
John
Very interested to see this one. Kudus to all parties concerned.
The sky is the limit with these reels. 2 speed conversions, bigger drag systems. Balancing, casting bearings.
I got two words for you.
Cal Sheets.
OMG...WTH DID I JUST DO!!?
I just destroyed the finish on the beautiful reel and frame.
I didn't have any simple green at my place, so I stupidly substitutited Purple Power (diluted 4:1), and ran the parts through my sonic cleaner for 15 minutes. When I pulled them, the anodizing on the sideplates, spool, frame, clamp, and drag cover had been destroyed.
Kinda makes me sick to my stomach :(
I should know better, but what's done is done.
I still plan to service and fish the reel.
So, I ordered a TRQ300LD carbon drag washer to modify and glue to the spool, a new pinion bearing, and some Belleville washers. This reel is a first generation 12 not a 12H, and as such there is no stock carbon drag upgrade available. I will go ahead and upgrade the drag material and see what kinda numbers I can get.
Not sure what to do about the finish? Maybe try painting the aluminum components, or just leave it as is?
I am sure glad this was my reel and not a customer's. Still makes me sick to know that I destroyed that beautiful finish on this gem.
:(
check with a local anodizer. parts can be polished and anodized gold, or any other color that you want. think of it as an opportunity!
Quote from: David Hall on November 27, 2017, 04:35:27 AM
The sky is the limit with these reels. 2 speed conversions, bigger drag systems. Balancing, casting bearings.
I got two words for you.
Cal Sheets.
I talked with Cal the other day, and in hindsight, I should have sent the reel and frame to him. He likes working on the 12LT the best though, and it was tough to make it make financal sense.
Those super 12s are sweet reels though.
Looks like I messed up on this one. My goal of 15-18lbs drag is likely overly optimistic on this 12 since it will only be getting a carbon fiber washer (glued to the spool), and new bellevilles/steeper ramp. The 12H or 12T or 16S would really be better candidates for blueprinting.
Looking at the internal components, it seems one would have to invest quite a bit to increase the drag significantly on this reel. Converting to 12H (spool, drag washer/plate, spoolshaft/pinion, main gear) to start. It might be possible, with some machining to figure out a way to boost drag surface and cam ramp up on this model, but it does not appear to be a simple process.
I wish I had one of each of the 12 series reels on my bench to play around with and check parts comparability, measurements, and the like, but unfortunately, I don't. I'll keep my investment cost down, and fish it wherever it comes out.. maybe a 20lb reel.
Those Baker 12s are pretty sweet too.
Quote from: alantani on November 27, 2017, 04:56:49 AM
check with a local anodizer. parts can be polished and anodized gold, or any other color that you want. think of it as an opportunity!
I love your optimism Alan!
:)
That's a bummer!
Maybe put those side plates back in the ultrasonic cleaner with more purple to take it all the way down to bare aluminum, and then polish the side plates and the spool. Would be a bit larger project than you had anticipated, but I think the polished aluminum would look great with the gold frame and the other chrome parts on that reel.
Still a sweet reel, I'm sure you'll figure something out that will make it look great.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on November 27, 2017, 05:00:12 AM
Quote from: alantani on November 27, 2017, 04:56:49 AM
check with a local anodizer. parts can be polished and anodized gold, or any other color that you want. think of it as an opportunity!
I love your optimism Alan!
:)
remember this? http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7432.0
Yep the door to opportunity is opening. Custom colors, nothing like them.
Oooh, sorry to hear that. I just had that same sinking feeling a few days ago when I used carb cleaner, and it melted an adjacent plastic part on a hard to find reel.
yay !!
things just got more interesting now, now for sure your finished build will be one of a kind if you go for the custom anodizing colors
Unfortunately, no one in Hawaii provides anodizing services. I may have to send it back to the mainland. Does anybody have any recommendations?
Reel Colors? Penn Custom Shop?
email http://www.arnoldmetalfinishing.com/#home, talk to them and see about polishing AND anodizing. if it works out, send it to me and i can get it taken care of on this end. i'll bet they're alot cheaper them reel colors.
Personally, I think I might just remove the rest of the gold anodizing with some HD "Greased Lightning" in the stronger or commercial grade -- then polish it out to a natural aluminum mirror finish like on mag wheels.
You mentioned you did the new frame also -- but I do not see it in the pic.
At any rate, all you have is the plates, spool, and frame to do -- I do this with rubber gloves and the finest scotchbrite pad.
Or, an anodizing firm will remove the rest of the color for you easily -- then you can either choose your colors, or just polish to a mirror natural finish.
Here are a few on the Islands -- have you tried any of these?
https://www.yellowpages.com/honolulu-hi/aluminum-anodizing
Best,
Fred
Are you able to pull the shaft on the spool ?? The anodizing process will disintegrate the shaft, so it must be removed to be re-anodized.
My plater does strip and re-anodize, but so far I've had zero luck with the final product. There seems to always be blemishes in the finish no matter what I try. Perhaps a different plater could do better.
Ted
i understand it's the polishing that is hard.
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 27, 2017, 07:01:00 PM
Are you able to pull the shaft on the spool ?? The anodizing process will disintegrate the shaft, so it must be removed to be re-anodized.
My plater does strip and re-anodize, but so far I've had zero luck with the final product. There seems to always be blemishes in the finish no matter what I try. Perhaps a different plater could do better.
Ted
No, I can not remove the spool shaft from the spool. It is pressed in place. Also, there are bronze bushings, and a Stainless cam pressed into place on the head plate, and 2 bronze bushings for the clicker on the tailplate.
This has been my concern from the start.
Fred,
I checked with those, a number of other listings, and some of my machinist, and reel guys. Everyone has told me that there aren't any folks that do it professionally here.
Alan,
Thanks for the contact info. I will give them a call. I thought reel colors might have some experience dealing with anodizi g international plates that have other metals pressed into them.
John
I know reel
the old internationals are funny. some pieces are pressed in, some are actually screwed in. very weird.....
If you apply some heat to the spool you should be able to press the shaft out, same with other pressed in parts
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 27, 2017, 10:56:12 PM
If you apply some heat to the spool you should be able to press the shaft out, same with other pressed in parts
Hmm..
I am not sure I am comfortable with trying to press the shaft out. I do have an arbor press and could build a jig, but I sure don't want to bend the shaft. Does the arbor pin press into the shaft as well? Not sure how to pull it out without damage? The small bronze bushings might be difficult to be pull too. I think the cam could be pressed out, but there is a small hollow pin pressed in/holding it in place. This could be problematic.
Alan's recommendation said that they can mask the spool, and other pressed parts so they don't degrade or get anodized. They had very reasonable prices.
Reel colors has a lot of experience on refurb and anodizing these older Internationals. He was confident they could deal with it without issue, but didn't want to share his trade secrets. He wants nearly 3Xs the $ though.
Hmm...
I am inclined to just let the CA guys give it a try. If the spool shaft is damaged, I would have to try to source a replacement.
John
Fred's idea is likely the safest route. A different colored 12 would be cool though.
send that baby to REEL COLORS and put one of Ted's new handles on it to match when they come out.
I'd go with the local guys, we've all seen their work and it's top shelf. I'm very interested as I wouldn't mind having my 12 reanodized in some flash color scheme. A few others I'd like to have done as well.
Whatever you decide John, I hope you get it sorted.
I think it would be a perfect candidate for the new Hydro dipping process.
The finish is Durable and you can turn it into anything you want.
I don't know if you saw the Funkadelic Everol, but the clear coat I believe is epoxy based.
The Hydro Dip Process has really evolved over the past few years.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=23320.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DxBUn4m0gM
Well, it turns out Ted was right, as usual. The shaft, and arbor pin would need to be removed before it could be anodized. Also, cost is around $250 anyway you cut it. I really don't want to spend more then I could buy a new 2 speed with Beyer specs for on this one. Then again, it does deserve some respect. I am thinking of having a local guy CeraKote it, since the finish is more durable, and it could be done without removing the pressed in parts. I may consider doing my shotgun as well.
I have been researching various coating techniques and available services, and your right Daron, that hydrodipping is pretty darn cool. Not sure this little reel is the best candidate though, simply due to cost considerations.
I will keep folks posted.
John
Don't feel bad John, I've done much worse......Look at the glass as half full and be thankful it was your personal reel and not one of your customers. You are now a few days older and much wiser !!
Ted