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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Shimano Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Lunker Larry on January 12, 2018, 04:30:39 PM

Title: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: Lunker Larry on January 12, 2018, 04:30:39 PM
Just opened up a brand new 600LC and it did not have the standard smooth dartanium drag washers in it. These have a surface like CF.  Is this a mod to Dartanium or is it now CF?
Thanks
LL
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: MarkT on January 12, 2018, 04:36:21 PM
What they call Dartanium II are woven carbon fiber unlike the original Craptanium washers.
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: Lunker Larry on January 12, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
There you go...now I know. Thanks
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: Keta on January 12, 2018, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: MarkT on January 12, 2018, 04:36:21 PMCraptanium washers.

And they certanly were, filthy and when used lumpy.  Dartanium II is much better.
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: alantani on January 12, 2018, 05:55:35 PM
daiwa very quietly changed out all of their drag washers to greased carbon fiber.  shimano is finally following suit.  so much for shimano "leading the way."   :-\
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: foakes on January 12, 2018, 06:18:20 PM
Truth told:

IMO --

Most of the major manufacturers have come around to our way of thinking regarding CF drags -- imagine, some even grease them!

However, it took awhile, and it was not their idea -- even though it is the most effective drag material readily available to date.

So they were brought to the wedding alter, reluctantly.

When something works so well and effectively -- a company can delay the truth -- but it always becomes apparent to those who take the time to observe, discover, test, and use.

I still have hundreds of new drag washers from Newell, Shimano, and many others that are the old styles.  Dry or hard, some leather,  asbestos, brake material, gasket material, needing replacement often, not as effective.  Also have some Daiwa factory greased drag washers, still in plastic bags.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: alantani on January 12, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: foakes on January 12, 2018, 06:18:20 PM
I still have hundreds of new drag washers from Newell, Shimano, and many others that are the old styles.  Dry or hard, some leather,  asbestos, brake material, gasket material, needing replacement often, not as effective.  Also have some Daiwa factory greased drag washers, still in plastic bags.

i see a dumpster in your future......   ;D
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: Decker on January 12, 2018, 07:32:41 PM
Good thread for a quick laugh :P
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: wfjord on January 12, 2018, 08:28:37 PM
With all the negative connotations associated with Dartanium washers why didn't they just drop the Dartanium (II) name altogether and start calling them carbon fiber washers?  Might have been a good selling point, especially since the fishing world is becoming more educated in reel maintenance (with much credit to AlanTani.com and the top notch reel mechanics here).
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: Wally15 on January 12, 2018, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: MarkT on January 12, 2018, 04:36:21 PM
What they call Dartanium II are woven carbon fiber unlike the original Craptanium washers.
I cannot find Craptanium anywhere on the Periodic Table. Have you discovered a new element, Fish Hog?
Peaches
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: alantani on January 12, 2018, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: wfjord on January 12, 2018, 08:28:37 PM
With all the negative connotations associated with Dartanium washers why didn't they just drop the Dartanium (II) name altogether and start calling them carbon fiber washers?  Might have been a good selling point, especially since the fishing world is becoming more educated in reel maintenance (with much credit to AlanTani.com and the top notch reel mechanics here).

somebody in the marketing department likely made that call.   :-\
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: Midway Tommy on January 12, 2018, 10:31:59 PM
Quote from: alantani on January 12, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: foakes on January 12, 2018, 06:18:20 PM
I still have hundreds of new drag washers from Newell, Shimano, and many others that are the old styles.  Dry or hard, some leather,  asbestos, brake material, gasket material, needing replacement often, not as effective.  Also have some Daiwa factory greased drag washers, still in plastic bags.

i see a dumpster in your future......   ;D

DON'T RESORT TO THE DUMPSTER!  :o  There are purists out there that restore back to original for catching shelf fish.  ??? There will be a market some day!   :)
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: MarkT on January 12, 2018, 11:56:12 PM
Shimano doesn't really mention drags on their website anymore. I guess it isn't worth mentioning when they're now doing what everyone else does.  On the Curado, they now call it a Cross Carbon drag.
Title: Re: Did they replace dartanium?
Post by: CapeFish on January 13, 2018, 04:46:43 AM
Shimano must be one of the world leaders in developing marketing gibberish. I recently got myself one of the new Daiwa BG spinners and was pleasantly surpirised when I opened it. It got the full Tani treatment! Even the screws holding the rotor nut in place were given a coat of grease and tbe inside side cover.