Good Morning all. Love this board, found myself reading several hours last night and i just keep jumping from one topic to another, lol. So i know there are guys on here that use this removable planer system like we do utilizing a #12 old salty planer and #200 lb braid for wahoo, tuna, etc. The problem with the old 9/0 is with the big planer there is very little difference on the drag (stock,old) when trolling between totally locked down and a little bit drag. I lost several fish last year, (and i hate to lose a fish) because i probably just ripped the hook right out. Im going to the boat and get the reel and tear it apart later today and Thinking The 7-1 upgrade looks like it will do what we need it to do. Your thoughts and suggestions please? Thanks! Great sunday everyone!
Welcome Miles and good morning!
There's no doubt you will get some informed opinions as the sun rises world turns.
Steve
Thanks Swill, good morning to you as well!
Hi Miles, the sun is just going down in Australia, good to have you as a member, & welcome, yes 7 stack drag, would do real good, read up on the tutorials on penn senator 114H 6/0, & the 115 9/0 have the same drag, set up, you may need some extra keyed washer & eared washers, cals drag grease, or a grease with Teflon in it, lube your bearings, with TSI 321 or a synthetic oil, grease the rest with Yamaha marine grease, not to much grease on the drag dog, or it may stick, & not pivot, good luck, I am sure some of the more experienced, members will chime in on anything that I have over looked, cheers from Don, in sunny Western Australia.
Thanks Don! Certainly do Appreciate it and will do! Now figuring out the when and wheres for all the different greases, lubes!
Something to consider:
The 7+1 drag system dramatically increases the drag available compared to the current reel. It would be prudent to increase the strength of the reel prior to the drag upgrade unless you are the type of person that remembers that the drag can overpower the reel (I'm not.) A standard drag rebuild with greased carbon fiber would give you all the drag pressure you would need. Don't get me wrong, I think upgrading to the bigger drag stack with a select few upgrades like a SS sleeve and dog would make a much better reel. Sal once posted a picture of a 9/0 frame that tweeked with low 20#s of drag, the 7 stack can make considerably more than that so be careful and always, always, always use the reel clamp.
Ron
Where are you fishing from, Miles? I used the same setup for same purpose but now use lever drag, mainly because we had an extra. The new drag stack is exactly what you want, as above grease it plenty with Cal's drag grease. For your application, strongly recco a stainless gear sleeve and Alan's 5/0 size handle, which is a good inch bigger than stock and the blade is probably an inch longer too. In total your upgrades will make winch up the planer when you need to check the bait a whole lot easier. This one of mine; it also has a Cortez Conversions frame and a T-bar handle. The new T-bars aren't as robust as the old Area Rule handles; the aluminum is thinner. Alan's handle blade is stainless which is better for you application of grinding it up at trolling speed.
John
Man Ron was typing while I was...the one piece frame in mine is to avert torqueing issues Ron indicated, especially if you are winching from the rod holder like i do.
Thanks Ron/Thor, that makes sense about too much torque on the frame, i have actually twisted one fighting a bigeye several years ago. Thor, i fish out of Va Beach. Can use lever drags but like most here in the mid atlantic, feel like i can get better setting and control with the star drag on the senator vrs the lever drag on an 80 international. Thor, if you use the same set up you know how dangerous it can be, i usually just have him slow the boat down and carefully lift/drop/pop the planer free. (Sometimes need help, lol. As far as winching it up , i dont even try , if I can free it we take it out of gear. Where do you fish out of?
NC. I'm originally from Henderson right on the border at I-85. You are correct, when that planer comes out you need to pay attention lol.
Gotcha, nice. I was just down that way over Christmas my son and his family live in Pensacola so we have been making the run down there via 85/95 a couple times a year. Do you fish out of Va or NC. Big yellowfin/ bluefin wahoo bite going off past few days at the point.
Miles, the boys are spot on, Donny, Ron, and John. Drags (with Cal's drag grease) stainless steel gear sleeve, handle and frame, in that order. When ordering parts the drags, sleeve and handle are the 114H parts and the frame is the CC 115. Good luck and show us how it's coming along. Bill
Thanks Bill, i will for sure. Im on it. I will be ordering stuff tomorrow!
When I read, "very little difference on the drag (stock,old) when trolling between totally locked down and a little bit drag," it makes me think the problem is that your drag washers are shot. If you have an old reel, it will have 3 thick drag washers made out of brake lining material; if it is a little newer, it will have a five stack but the drag washers are likely compressed and/or loaded with salt. If you replace your drag washers with a modern 5 stack of carbon fiber drag washers, you'll see a world of difference. A 7-stack would be nice, but the stock 5 stack with carbon fiber HT-100s is a great drag.
Thanks Akfish, thats kind of what im thinking, doubt they have ever been replaced. Dont know if you have ever trolled a #12 ol salt planer at 6/7 knots but it is extreme pressure and torque on the reel. The difference to keep line from peeling off and locked down is minute. Just Went and got the rod and reel off the boat and going to open it up shortly. Thanks for all the comments and advice everyone.
Death from Above, last try pic, keeps showing up upside down, lol
Mostly out of Carolina Beach. I thought I spied a vintage Pfaff on the table. You'll wear out a trailer ball first.
Damn, Im inpressed! Good eye, yes it is a vintage Pfaff, made in "western germany", lol. I do some boat enclosures , tops and upholstery as a little side gig. I previously had a vintage singer 42-5 built in the 40's but i prefer the walking foot and reverse that the Pfaff gives me. Its a fine piece of machinery ive owned now for about 15-20 years.
Hi Miles, I maybe to late, with this suggestion, if you haven't already stripped your 9/0, then when you do, take digital photos, step by step as you dismantle it, that makes it easier, to place it back together, good luck cheers Don.
Thanks Don, i will do!
So im assuming the drag washers are a five stack, carbontex i believe, and the reel seemed to be well greased on the inside although the outside is a little rough, lol.
from left to right, washers #2 and #3 should be switched. the felt should be #2 and the two keyed washers should be double stacked on top of each other. and #7, #9 and #11 are carbon fiber, right? they just look funny in the photo.
What the BOSS said. Honestly, I think those last washers have seen better days. Washers are cheap. I recommend you swap them out with new and be confident in your gear.
Ron
Thanks guys, yes, going to replace them all plus the brass sleeve and also buy Alans stainless handle and knob.i was honestly expecting the 3 drag set when i cracked it.
Yes Allen they are carbon fiber too, picture is just dark
I am currently marooned in Portsmouth. If you need any help testing that bad boy out, I'm available.
Ron
Portsmouth, Va? How long are you here for Ron? We are always looking for folks to ride but not much going on here right now, couple more months and some warmer water moves in and that will be changing!
I'll be here at least until September. I'll never turn down a boat ride
Definitely hook you up then, its a lot longer boat ride from here than it is in Oahu, i fished on Magic last time I was out there. We have a nice big comfortable boat, although a little slow. Lol are you working at the Navy Yard I assume?
My buddy does the same; a little cushion and canvas on the side. My boat was the initial guinea pig. When he got the first Pfaff we swore it would sew two sheets of plywood together.....
before you go spending a ton of money, just add a light coat of cal's grease to the carbon fiber drag washers, slap it back together and see how it fishes. i think you will be pleasantly surprised.
Thanks Alan, got the Calz today , going out of town tomorrow so ill be getting on it next week.
Good afternoon all, got my drag washers and cleaning all my parts up and kind of embarressed to ask this question , ive looked everywhere on the board for answers but I cant seem to figure it out so Im asking again, lol. Is there a special gear puller to pull the main gear or should it come off easily? It has a little "wobble" to itand freely spins on the main shaft. The main gear going by the main gear thread is the one that appears to have the bushing in it. I have another small gear pulling tool around here somewhere but I am yet to find it and before I go into total search mode I figured I ask. TIA!
Quote from: Miles Offshore on February 07, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
Good afternoon all, got my drag washers and cleaning all my parts up and kind of embarressed to ask this question , ive looked everywhere on the board for answers but I cant seem to figure it out so Im asking again, lol. Is there a special gear puller to pull the main gear or should it come off easily? It has a little "wobble" to itand freely spins on the main shaft. The main gear going by the main gear thread is the one that appears to have the bushing in it. I have another small gear pulling tool around here somewhere but I am yet to find it and before I go into total search mode I figured I ask. TIA!
It should come off freely. Sometimes a little corrosion, gunk, or marring on the main shaft may require that you use a little persuasion though. I like to polish the bottom of the gear, inside of the gear bushing, and the gear shaft with some steel wool or a brass wheel on my benchtop grinder prior to reassembly to aid in felt smoothness.
John
Thanks John! Starting to tickmeoff! Guess I need to put a little more umphhhht to it!
Quote from: Miles Offshore on February 07, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
Thanks John! Starting to tickmeoff! Guess I need to put a little more umphhhht to it!
Try to get the drag washers out first. It may help to remove the gear sleeve from the bridge?
John
The washers are all out, i think i can see a small piece of raised metal (brass) at the base of the bushing that is the issue but Im not positive. Going to soak it with sea foam cleaner overnight until i can find a small gear puller or something else tomorrow to get it off. Thank you for the help!
It sound like you might need a new Gear sleeve.
Punch the pin out and take the main gear and sleeve off together.
Then you can see what you have.
Don't use a gear puller.
I can send you a new sleeve.
If you try to pull it off in that condition, you might damage the bridge and main gear.
Then you will need all three.
If the ridge on the sleeve is that pronounced, I would grind it down with a Dremel to get the main gear off without damaging it.
Thanks Sh! I got it off, just a bunch of dried gunk and a couple of small places that need some attention. Into the soak they go!
Well , thanks to everyones help i put the reel all back together yesterday, new drag washers and reel cleaned lubed and boy what a difference I can tell already. Havnt put the scale on it yet but it really feels great, even if it doesnt look that great, lol. The old carbon fiber washers upon inspection definitely were bad. Thanks again everyone so Im not sure whats next, probably a 20 or 50 international.
Only thing i had to redo was i left the harness lugs off, lol.
Nice work! If you didn't already, a light coat of Penn blue is in order on the click spring, jack and bridge. You have a corrosion spot starting on the bridge plate it looks like.
Now let's see some fish pics!
Thanks Thor, didnt take pics when i closed it up but i greased pretty much everything up good! Fishpix coming soon, i hope, lol.
Congratulations Mile nice work, now that you have mastered one Penn senator, they are all the same, the gearing looked pretty good, forget about the Internationals, this reel will last you for years, you should get about 600M of 100 lbs braid on it, and still have room for momo top shot, I would also grease the spool then rap, some tape over it before winding the braid on to it. cheers Don.
Thanks Don!