It's official, I've got the collecting bug! I just picked up this ratty old Penn Long Beach, not sure of the year, I'm guessing 1937? Has a waffle clicker, 4 post, says 250yd on foot. Anyway, it's seriously messed up, but the restoration is under way...
Couple of questions:
- Year?
- I'm kind'a stuck on putting back the AR dog and leaf spring. I'm not sure if the dog is deformed or is it supposed to look like this? (pic #3)
- Does anybody have a photo showing how the dog and spring it go in? It fell apart before I got a chance to see it.
I will post pics of the completed reel when it's done. Thanks!
No,
It is definitely not supposed to look like that.
That's the most worn AR dog I've seen to date. Looks like it could easily bend or break from high drag pressure. Will post a pic. soon, as I just started to rebuild a 180.
Gfish
Sorry, maybe latter, I can't seem ta post a picture right now?!?!
Quote from: Gfish on February 07, 2018, 03:25:35 AM
That's the most worn AR dog I've seen to date. Looks like it could easily bend or break from high drag pressure.
Yeah, the whole reel's pretty worn. Btw, the shiny spots on that dog are from where I filed it to remove some burrs. The gears are a mess too, as you can imagine. Definitely not going to be fishing with it.
QuoteIt's official, I've got the collecting bug! I just picked up this ratty old Penn Long Beach, not sure of the year, I'm guessing 1937? Has a waffle clicker, 4 post, says 250yd on foot. Anyway, it's seriously messed up, but the restoration is under way...
Couple of questions:
- Year?
- I'm kind'a stuck on putting back the AR dog and leaf spring. I'm not sure if the dog is deformed or is it supposed to look like this? (pic #3)
- Does anybody have a photo showing how the dog and spring it go in? It fell apart before I got a chance to see it.
I will post pics of the completed reel when it's done. Thanks!
That is a good guess. Actually you are only one year off, it is a 1938 Model 60 Long Beach.
Here is a generic photo of how the dog should be mounted and basically how the dog should look. The one in my photo is worn but still useable. Yours is kind of done. I guess it would still work; but, not for fishing.
My two cents,looks like the dog is riding up on the main gear or the main gear is worn or both Never the less it should be gone over and rebuilt if you are going to use it.
Joe
Thank you Mr. Penn Chronology, that's just what I needed.
As far as using it, the gears work but are pretty rough. It will serve as both a display and to assist in line changes on my other reels. Still needs a working dog though, and Fred is sending one my way.
Check the main gear for a washer underneath. That could be missing and that would explain the ware and misalignment if that's the case.
Joe
Joe, the gear teeth are no longer straight, they are curved, never seen wear like that. I'll post a pic after I open it up again to install the dog.
My tendancy regarding restoration of Prewar Penns, has been a very minimal approach. If the reel is missing a screw, handle, or other part, has a cracked plate, or is a mismatch of parts from different reels, or has incorrect (later version) parts, then I will try to replace to get the period-correct complete reel. But otherwise my restoration work is simply to remove the line from the spool, arrest any corrosion, and lightly oil. Any serious cleaning or polishing, or upgrading if parts will likely detract from its correctness, and may affect value/collectability. Most of the prewar Penn's I see in collections are in rough looking and working order, and I think there is a reason they are left that way.
Conversely, post war reels can be restored to closer to like new condition with a careful/thoughtful approach and by mixmatching period-correct parts.
You can in theory do this with prewar reels, it is just much more challenging due to the materials, manufacturing processes used, and scarcity of NOS quality parts.
Just a thought.
John
Good approach John.
-steve
QuoteThank you Mr. Penn Chronology, that's just what I needed.
As far as using it, the gears work but are pretty rough. It will serve as both a display and to assist in line changes on my other reels. Still needs a working dog though, and Fred is sending one my way.
Glad to help.
Fred is irreplaceable.
What worn gears look like...
That reel has seen some heavy use.
Been making alot of home-run deals lately, gotta strike out every now and then. ::) I think this may have been a head boat reel in a past life.
Even though they look like that at times they will work just fine, as long as you use the same two gears.
Nelz, here's a peroid correct LB60 gear set ( probably WW-2 era) from a reel with no part numbers. Pretty good shape. They're yours N/C if you want them. Got some other LB60 parts from this reel too. Lemme know.
Gfish
Thanks for the gears Gfish, they're very smooth. Just need to file down the pinion a touch as it clicks a bit when in free-spool with the reel facing to the left.
You're very welcome.
Could be the eccentric jack's not pushing the yolk/pinion down far enough away from the male part a the spool in the freespool mode. Or mabey you just need to file it...
You'ed think if tilting it to the right you'ed get the kinda problem with the thing I mentioned above...? Not when you tilt it to the left. These type a problems witha Penn are fun to solve.
Gfish
Well, thanks to some working gears from Gfish and a new dog from Fred, this 1938 Long Beach has now been brought back to life and is actually fully functional. Thanks guys!
It still looks pretty rough, but all external parts are original including the handle with unique resin knob.
Gfish, as for the pinion clicking, it turns out that the Pinion Yoke is slightly indented on one side and I had installed it backwards, all fixed now.
Nelz, that "collar" was worn by the pinion. But there is a top side and a bottom side to these collars because of the way they are stamped in the manufacturing process. One edge is a little rounded, the other more flat and the edges are more sharp. In general, you want the rounded side to ride against the eccentric jack. Some of us even polish these two surfaces so they ride smoothly against one another. It does make a difference in the feel of the clutch....