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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => D.A.M. Quick => Topic started by: festus on February 12, 2018, 10:29:47 PM

Title: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: festus on February 12, 2018, 10:29:47 PM
I remember a few days ago Fred or some of you other guys had never located a schematic for the Super 2 speeds.  Just happened to luck out and find it with some South Bend schematics.  http://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/South%20Bend/SOUTH%20BEND-DAM%20QUICK%20SUPER%20MODEL%20275.pdf
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: mo65 on February 12, 2018, 10:48:40 PM
   Thanks Festus.
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: Alto Mare on February 12, 2018, 11:13:45 PM
Very cool Chester, I just made me a couple of copies...thank you!

Sal
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: swill88 on February 12, 2018, 11:56:34 PM
Thanks Festus.

It's interesting that all the of the parts are numbered 270/#.

Are these interchangeable with 270 parts?

Steve
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: festus on February 13, 2018, 12:02:36 AM
So South Bend was once in cahoots with D.A.M. Quick?  Makes sense. 

There used to be an old country store about 5 miles from here owned by some of my distant kin that sold groceries, fresh meat, appliances, furniture, pocket knives, fishing tackle, guns, etc. and also doubled as the post office.  You know, the type of place with the bench out front with the old men sitting whittling and smoking roll your owns, maybe secretly nipping on some corn liquor out of a Mason jar from a local bootlegger. That's where I saw my first DAM Quick reel.  They also had a good stock of South Bend spinning reels along with Mitchells and Abus.  One of the cousins who worked in the store was an avid fisherman and convinced my dad to buy a couple of the South Bends.  Probably 7 or 8 bucks apiece,  but caught their share of fish.

Several months later my dad found a D.A.M. Quick 220 at a wholesale house in Knoxville for my sixteenth birthday. Not sure how much that reel cost, probably triple the price of the South Bends.

Next year that reel will be 50 years old.
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: foakes on February 13, 2018, 12:05:35 AM
Thanks, Chester!

First one of those schematics I have ever seen.

That will help verify parts positions when putting Sheridan's back together.

Just printed one out to go in the DAM Quick Master Service Manual.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: Alto Mare on February 13, 2018, 01:20:11 AM
Quote from: swill88 on February 12, 2018, 11:56:34 PM
Thanks Festus.

It's interesting that all the of the parts are numbered 270/#.

Are these interchangeable with 270 parts?

Steve
Most of them are Steve, with the exception of the housing, housing cover and gears, the rest of the parts will work on both reels.with that said, I don't see any issues if you wanted to use the 270 housing on the 275, all you'll need to do is add 2 holes at the same location for the dog and lever.
Interesting, I have the 270 part list and the numbers don't match with the 275.
Quote from: foakes on February 13, 2018, 12:05:35 AM
Thanks, Chester!

First one of those schematics I have ever seen.

That will help verify parts positions when putting Sheridan’s back together.

Just printed one out to go in the DAM Quick Master Service Manual.

Best,

Fred
Fred, I'm not sure this will help you on the washers, I have the layout on the bench
(https://i.imgur.com/Zip5gBv.jpg)
Now that I have the parts list I can call those by mane.
Place the driving wheel on the on the coupling box , part # 113 and 112. Follow with a Resitex washer- part #115, spring washer part#116, repeat that 2 more times .
The schematic is showing additional parts that my reels don't have, all I have is the 2 gears ( driving wheels) that sit on top of those washers. You will realize on which position they'll go in once you take a look on yours.
(https://i.imgur.com/GnzEVEA.jpg)
My reel is back together and working nicely. Of course I do not have the lever and the dog for the anti reverse, but it is shifting really nicely.

Sal
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: foakes on February 13, 2018, 01:43:49 AM
Thanks, Sal —

Also found the schematics for the DAM Quick 238 & 248 on the same site.

These were good DQ reels from the late 50's & early 60's.  Good quality, fairly obscure and hard to find in the US though.

I have around 15 of these, plus plenty of NOS parts — but never had schematics with part numbers.

The 238 is a lightweight metal reel in either grey or dark green crinkle (Herters had one from DAM in black crinkle). 

The 248 is larger and heavier, black crinkle —

Thanks to Chester, I now have those schematics.

Wish I had a A/R lever for you Sal, and a dog for that 275.  I will poke around...

If the dog is the same as the 270, I will have it — but do not think so.

Thanks Chester!

Best,

Fred

Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: festus on February 13, 2018, 02:00:52 AM
Glad the schematic got you folks headed in the right direction.  Finding it was just pure luck, I was looking for info on this South Bend spinning reel and ran across it by accident. 
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: Alto Mare on February 13, 2018, 02:13:54 AM
Quote from: foakes on February 13, 2018, 01:43:49 AM
Thanks, Sal —

Also found the schematics for the DAM Quick 238 & 248 on the same site.

These were good DQ reels from the late 50's & early 60's.  Good quality, fairly obscure and hard to find in the US though.

I have around 15 of these, plus plenty of NOS parts — but never had schematics with part numbers.

The 238 is a lightweight metal reel in either grey or dark green crinkle (Herters had one from DAM in black crinkle).  

The 248 is larger and heavier, black crinkle —

Thanks to Chester, I now have those schematics.

Wish I had a A/R lever for you Sal, and a dog for that 275.  I will poke around...

If the dog is the same as the 270, I will have it — but do not think so.

Thanks Chester!

Best,

Fred


Great that you found other schematics Fred, those will come in handy.
I thank you for checking on the dog, but there is no need to. I have one coming, along with the eccentric and nut.

As I mentioned earlier the schematic is showing additional parts on the clutch assembly, unless it's taken at a bad angle.
I wanted to make sure I was correct, so I checked on another reel.  Between the gears there are  6 washers, 3 and 3...nothing else
(https://i.imgur.com/ofQPfZA.jpg)

Thanks Fred,

Sal

Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: mo65 on February 13, 2018, 02:59:53 AM
Quote from: festus on February 13, 2018, 02:00:52 AM
Glad the schematic got you folks headed in the right direction.  Finding it was just pure luck, I was looking for info on this South Bend spinning reel and ran across it by accident. 

   Hey buddy, what does that South Bend look like under the hood? Is that model USA or Japan manufacture?
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: Alto Mare on February 13, 2018, 03:15:11 AM
Sorry Fred there are only 2 metal spring washers not 3. You might be looking for the third one because of me.
I looked at these reels a few times and I'm not sure why I said 3 and 3  ::)

Sal
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: festus on February 13, 2018, 03:22:29 AM
Quote from: mo65 on February 13, 2018, 02:59:53 AM
Quote from: festus on February 13, 2018, 02:00:52 AM
Glad the schematic got you folks headed in the right direction.  Finding it was just pure luck, I was looking for info on this South Bend spinning reel and ran across it by accident. 

   Hey buddy, what does that South Bend look like under the hood? Is that model USA or Japan manufacture?
That's a Japanese reel, Mike.  It reminds me a little of a Shakespeare maroon but looks nothing like it inside.
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: Midway Tommy on February 13, 2018, 04:09:13 AM
Quote from: festus on February 13, 2018, 12:02:36 AM
So South Bend was once in cahoots with D.A.M. Quick?  Makes sense.  

There used to be an old country store about 5 miles from here owned by some of my distant kin that sold groceries, fresh meat, appliances, furniture, pocket knives, fishing tackle, guns, etc. and also doubled as the post office.  You know, the type of place with the bench out front with the old men sitting whittling and smoking roll your owns, maybe secretly nipping on some corn liquor out of a Mason jar from a local bootlegger. That's where I saw my first DAM Quick reel.  They also had a good stock of South Bend spinning reels along with Mitchells and Abus.  One of the cousins who worked in the store was an avid fisherman and convinced my dad to buy a couple of the South Bends.  Probably 7 or 8 bucks apiece,  but caught their share of fish.

Several months later my dad found a D.A.M. Quick 220 at a wholesale house in Knoxville for my sixteenth birthday. Not sure how much that reel cost, probably triple the price of the South Bends.

Next year that reel will be 50 years old.

South Bend (Gladding Corp) was Dam Quick's US distributor from about 1966 on until Quick Corporation of America open their offices in Costa Mesa, CA in '69/'70.  V. Harasty Corp, Herter's & Cabela's also sold Dam Quick reels during that time. Some Dam reels have a small round red sticker with an S in the center. Many people think that stands for High Speed but it actually represented South Bend as an export. Dam's high speed models at the time were 221, 331 & 441, including Ns, and there are reels other than those 3 models that are still found with the little red S sticker on the side.  The high speed models had a silver & red sticker that said "High Speed".
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: swill88 on February 13, 2018, 04:35:07 AM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on February 13, 2018, 04:09:13 AM
Quote from: festus on February 13, 2018, 12:02:36 AM
So South Bend was once in cahoots with D.A.M. Quick?  Makes sense.  

There used to be an old country store about 5 miles from here owned by some of my distant kin that sold groceries, fresh meat, appliances, furniture, pocket knives, fishing tackle, guns, etc. and also doubled as the post office.  You know, the type of place with the bench out front with the old men sitting whittling and smoking roll your owns, maybe secretly nipping on some corn liquor out of a Mason jar from a local bootlegger. That's where I saw my first DAM Quick reel.  They also had a good stock of South Bend spinning reels along with Mitchells and Abus.  One of the cousins who worked in the store was an avid fisherman and convinced my dad to buy a couple of the South Bends.  Probably 7 or 8 bucks apiece,  but caught their share of fish.

Several months later my dad found a D.A.M. Quick 220 at a wholesale house in Knoxville for my sixteenth birthday. Not sure how much that reel cost, probably triple the price of the South Bends.

Next year that reel will be 50 years old.

South Bend (Gladding Corp) was Dam Quick's US distributor from about 1966 on until Quick Corporation of America open their offices in Costa Mesa, CA in '69/'70.  V. Harasty Corp, Herter's & Cabela's also sold Dam Quick reels during that time. Some Dam reels have a small round red sticker with an S in the center. Many people think that stands for High Speed but it actually represented South Bend as an export. Dam's high speed models at the time were 221, 331 & 441, including Ns, and there are reels other than those 3 models that are still found with the little red S sticker on the side.  The high speed models had a silver & red sticker that said "High Speed".

I recall my Mitchell 400 in the mid-'60s had a red HS sticker.
Or, maybe, I dreamed it. All the same now to me

.
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: Midway Tommy on February 13, 2018, 04:38:40 AM
Quote from: swill88 on February 13, 2018, 04:35:07 AM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on February 13, 2018, 04:09:13 AM
Quote from: festus on February 13, 2018, 12:02:36 AM
So South Bend was once in cahoots with D.A.M. Quick?  Makes sense.  

There used to be an old country store about 5 miles from here owned by some of my distant kin that sold groceries, fresh meat, appliances, furniture, pocket knives, fishing tackle, guns, etc. and also doubled as the post office.  You know, the type of place with the bench out front with the old men sitting whittling and smoking roll your owns, maybe secretly nipping on some corn liquor out of a Mason jar from a local bootlegger. That's where I saw my first DAM Quick reel.  They also had a good stock of South Bend spinning reels along with Mitchells and Abus.  One of the cousins who worked in the store was an avid fisherman and convinced my dad to buy a couple of the South Bends.  Probably 7 or 8 bucks apiece,  but caught their share of fish.

Several months later my dad found a D.A.M. Quick 220 at a wholesale house in Knoxville for my sixteenth birthday. Not sure how much that reel cost, probably triple the price of the South Bends.

Next year that reel will be 50 years old.

South Bend (Gladding Corp) was Dam Quick's US distributor from about 1966 on until Quick Corporation of America open their offices in Costa Mesa, CA in '69/'70.  V. Harasty Corp, Herter's & Cabela's also sold Dam Quick reels during that time. Some Dam reels have a small round red sticker with an S in the center. Many people think that stands for High Speed but it actually represented South Bend as an export. Dam's high speed models at the time were 221, 331 & 441, including Ns, and there are reels other than those 3 models that are still found with the little red S sticker on the side.  The high speed models had a silver & red sticker that said "High Speed".

I recall my Mitchell 400 in the mid-'60s had a red HS sticker.
Or, maybe, I dreamed it. All the same now to me

.


They did. All Mitchell 400 models are high speed. 300s are standard speed. 
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: foakes on February 13, 2018, 06:21:47 AM
It may be true what you refer to regarding the "hs" or "high/speed" stickers on the DAM Quicks, Tommy...

However, I believe if that were accurate — wouldn't we also find "s" stickers on non high speed Quicks?

Quick made the 110, 220, 221, 330, 331, 440, & 550 in the earlier series.

The 110N, 220N, 330N, 331N, 440N, 441N, & 550N were the next subsequent series.

Of these, not counting the 110 & 110N (which are always high speed microlites) — the only ones I have found "s" or "high/speed" stickers on are the other high speeds — 221, 331, 331N, and the 441N.

So far, I have never seen a "s" or "high/speed" sticker on any Quick reel except the ones with the "1" in the model number.

I still have a few hundred complete Quicks, plus have handled a few thousand over the years.

This could be true though, and I would be the first to appreciate the discovery.

All high speeds have higher gears (typically 1:5, or close), a longer crank for more torque, and some type of red sticker.  The others do not have these features.

Maybe I misunderstood you — or I am missing something here?  My wife tells me that all of the time — but not in those exact words!   ;D ;D ;D

Glad to be proven wrong!

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: Alto Mare on February 13, 2018, 11:52:22 AM
I have 1- 331 with the letter "S", I purchased it so they'll know it's Sal's reel ;D.
I actually asked why my "S" was different, but couldn't get an answer.

Thanks Fred.

By the way, about 2 months ago I did post some schematics, I've forgotten about those:
http://schematics.mikesreelrepair.com/thumbnails.php?album=9
I do not have many of these reels, but I've noticed the part numbers are different.
Most schematics have the number 100- ahead of the part number, the one Chester put up doesn't, but I'm not sure if that means anything.

Sal
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: Midway Tommy on February 13, 2018, 06:29:36 PM
Fred,

I'm sure you're probably correct on the high speed aspect, although I swear, before the PB debacle, I had a photo of a 330 with a red S sticker on the back corner. Thought I posted it here, too, but I find no record of it in any posts. PB pi$$ed me off so much I transferred important photos to pictrail and deleted the account. It wasn't important at the time so it's gone, probably along with part of my memory.  :P

I know I personally discussed the red S/high speed topic with Ben and he was adamant that it signified an affiliation with South Bend. I guess it wouldn't be the first time a researcher got, and printed, inaccurate information.  :-\

Maybe one day another 0 will show up with red S sticker, and maybe not, only time will tell, although it looks pretty doubtful. Interesting thing about all this is a simple side plate cover change, since they're interchangeable, could really complicate things. Generally, though, when companies struggle, change distribution tactics, or even ownership, more questions arise than are ever answered. The same thing happens where reel techs start mixing & matching reel bodies and grabbing internal parts. No telling what was there originally.  :D
Title: Re: Schematic for DAM Quick 275 Super 2-Speed
Post by: handyandy on February 21, 2018, 09:34:31 PM
thanks for that schematic I'm going to double check my two speed to make sure I'm not missing something I put it back together exactly how it came apart which seems right the gears shift smoothly and work as they should, but who knows maybe something wasn't right as I got it.