How old would a Penn 711, painted brown be? How rare is it?
Apparently 35 to 75 bucks on ebay. More with condition/box/paperwork.. good reel but not that rare.
Thankyou for your response.
It's not in condition for collecting. But assumed it was a rare color. Can't find any info on this. How do you tell the approximate age? It is in perfect working order.
Heck, just enjoy it. Pm frank, he'll know its exact age, but late 1960's to more likely early 70's.. ive seen a few on ebay, and though unusual, not that rare..
You're right. : )
Thanks again.
I dont think its worth too much being painted. They did make a black 710 for how long i dont know. Only a year or so.
I didn't paint it. It was painted brown from Penn.
Quote from: The Jim on March 11, 2018, 02:23:50 AM
I didn't paint it. It was painted brown from Penn.
That would make it extremely rare, well to me anyway. I've never seen one.
...any pics?...
Sal
Ive never heard of a brown 710 or 711 spinfisher. Only green, black, and black and gold. I was fishing before they came out.
I'm with Keith and think the green paint chipped off (as they all do) then someone painted it brown. Painting old Spinfishers is sort of a thing and some people take the time properly prep and cure so their paint job can be as good as factory. Personally, I prefer the green chipped paint.
-steve
Penn never made any brown production reels during that era. They did make a smooth black 710 & 711, and a black textured 710, both of which are sort of rare. The only possible way a brown reel came from the factory would be if it walked out in someone's lunch box or was an experimental color and sold during the 2003 Martha Henz Egly Collection Auction. There's no documentation that such a reel was sold at that auction. I would estimate there's a 99.99% chance that brown 711 mentioned above is a repaint. Generally, repaints have little to no collector value. Their main value would be what ever they are worth to someone who wants to fish them.
You can tell it's factory paint. Actually someone painted it black and did a bad job. I removed the black and none of the brown came off. I have seen refferances of brown ones on the net, but no info on it. Its in great working order, and decent looking. No emblem. I'll try to get a pic of it.
I never heard of a brown one either, but just found this posted on Scott's B&T: "Early 1960's models of the Spinfisher series were green, blue, brown or black. Green seems to be the color seen the most in the older reels, with white and silver cosmetics on the handle/drag knob/spool. We think the blue and brown models might have been special orders for sale at large department stores at the time. "
Quote from: The Jim on March 13, 2018, 12:45:32 AM
You can tell it's factory paint. Actually someone painted it black and did a bad job. I removed the black and none of the brown came off. I have seen refferances of brown ones on the net, but no info on it. Its in great working order, and decent looking. No emblem. I'll try to get a pic of it.
Penn made a few early 720Z & 722Z reels in metallic brown but none in other models that I'm aware of. Post some closeup photos of the inside and outside of your reel so we can all view what you are referencing.
How do you post pictures? I tried to copy and paste but couldn't.
Can I E-mail someone pics?
Quote from: The Jim on March 13, 2018, 11:09:31 PM
How do you post pictures? I tried to copy and paste but couldn't.
use the Reply, instead of Quick-Reply
OR
select Preview, instead of Post
...either way takes you to the full-option Reply
then, under Additional Options, use Attach: [Choose File]
& find/select the photo file(s) on your computer
Jim, you can email me pics and I can post for you. s(dot)d(dot)lehr(at)comcast(dot)net (you can't be too careful with all the spam bots around these days.
Sid
Haere are a couple of pictures.
Could it be a 711Z that was left out in the sun to fade or was painted?
-steve
711Z has a plastic cover. This one is metal.
The inside is brown also. It is definitely painted brown from the factory. I don't think it's worth much, except to fish with. I'm guessing it originally had silver and white handle and spool.
I know there were black ones. Ive had them. This is odd...
It looks a little better than in the pictures, but not a collection quality reel be any meens. Works great! But curiousity is killing me! I wander if it originally had a silver and white handle? And the spool? The old drag disk are creamy smouth., and the anti reverse is not than loud. But I can't get the handle off! I'm fearful of breaking it.
Looks like faded, weathered black. Probably left outside for a long time.
Did you turn the handle backwards to remove it? If it's stuck, that's more evidence that's it's been left out in the elements. Try a little solvent to loosen it. WD40, etc.
That is the light metallic bronze color that they had on the 720Z & 722Z, with gold components.
To get the handle off — it unscrews the opposite way from the positive crank position.
However, if stuck — instead of using the soft aluminum crank to torque it loose — remove the crank and cranknut — then use a phillips screwdriver in the hole to remove it. Should come right off with no damage.
Best,
Fred
No, it's not weathered black. The insides are brown. If it was weathered, the sticker wouldn't be in that good of a condition. They made brown one's, I just can't get any info on how many, or when.
Quote from: The Jim on March 29, 2018, 06:37:12 PM
They made brown one's, I just can't get any info on how many, or when.
I think Fred's photo sort of resolves it. They made at least one brown/bronze 711Z.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on March 29, 2018, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: The Jim on March 29, 2018, 06:37:12 PM
They made brown one's, I just can't get any info on how many, or when.
I think Fred's photo sort of resolves it. They made at least one brown/bronze 711Z.
-steve
I agree with Steve. They did some different color variation tests about that time, maybe this is one of them during a transition from "greenie" to Z.
Transition? Ok. How old would that put it? Would it have had silver and hardware originally?
(pic) of inside, side cover, metal.
Thanks to everyone for putting up with all my questions!
Quote from: The Jim on March 29, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
Transition? Ok. How old would that put it? Would it have had silver and hardware originally?
(pic) of inside, side cover, metal.
No Jim —
I am sure that is how it left the factory.
Penn probably made a couple thousand of these, using the paint and gold anodizing that was on the 720Z's in bronze.
Like Tom said, then they transitioned to the black and gold reels.
711 is a little scarce — but likely not going to put the kiddos through college, or pay off the mortgage.
Just a left handed, well used, and capable reel.
Be nice if it had the badge.
Best,
Fred
Thinking about having it powder coated maroon. ☺
Funny thing. Penn could make a reel that would last for decades, but couldn't keep thair decals on for more than a few months? ☺
I have an old Penn 440, and the decals fell off the first year. The bail spring broke after about ten years. Everything else is like new after about 35 years of fishing. ☺
Jim, if I can find you a 711 to paint purple (or whatever crazy color you want), would you be interested in a trade?
Sid
Quote from: foakes on March 29, 2018, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: The Jim on March 29, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
Transition? Ok. How old would that put it? Would it have had silver and hardware originally?
(pic) of inside, side cover, metal.
No Jim —
I am sure that is how it left the factory.
Penn probably made a couple thousand of these, using the paint and gold anodizing that was on the 720Z's in bronze.
Like Tom said, then they transitioned to the black and gold reels.
711 is a little scarce — but likely not going to put the kiddos through college, or pay off the mortgage.
Just a left handed, well used, and capable reel.
Be nice if it had the badge.
Best,
Fred
Hi Fred
I find it fascinating that a spin reel with the handle on the right hand side is called a left handed reel, which kinda puts the emphasis on which hand holds the rod.
This seems to only apply to spin reels. A conventional with handle on right hand side is called a right handed reel.
No criticisms meant, just making an observation.
cheers
Greg
Quote from: The Jim on March 30, 2018, 04:05:59 AM
Funny thing. Penn could make a reel that would last for decades, but couldn't keep thair decals on for more than a few months? ☺
I have an old Penn 440, and the decals fell off the first year. The bail spring broke after about ten years. Everything else is like new after about 35 years of fishing. ☺
Hi Jim
This is why I like the way all the older reels had their model numbers and other information moulded into the side plates.
My first spinner was a 711 and I caught a 30lb tuna off the rocks with a bibbed nilsmaster lure with it.
Yes, I am one of the minority who turns a spinner with my right hand.
cheers
Greg
Quote from: basto on April 05, 2018, 06:50:38 AM
Hi Fred
I find it fascinating that a spin reel with the handle on the right hand side is called a left handed reel, which kinda puts the emphasis on which hand holds the rod.
This seems to only apply to spin reels. A conventional with handle on right hand side is called a right handed reel.
No criticisms meant, just making an observation.
cheers
Greg
It also applies to fly reels, but those are the only two. Even spincasters are considered right handed if you crank with the right hand. I think it must be easier for one to adjust & balance the outfit if the reel hangs below the rod. I never have been able to figure out why they changed the handed thing "in the middle of the stream". :D I do know a few right handed guys that have switched to left handed casting reels as a matter of efficiency.