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Title: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: david M on May 24, 2018, 11:01:26 PM
Live in Southeast Alaska and am searching for a spinning reel for salmon (not king), trout species, and similar size fish. Will use reel for both fresh and saltwater fishing.  A friend recommended a Mitchell 300. DAM 330 and finessa have come up in conversation. After some web research I've become interested in the Diawa Torunament SS 1300 as it has a fine reputation. Trying to keep the price range about $100 or less. I don't have to have the best. Just want a solid, reliable reel. The wife is content for us to buy a combo rod/reel set. I'm okay with that as well. So I'm asking for help in my indecisiveness.

Thanks,

David
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: alantani on May 24, 2018, 11:16:47 PM
usually i tell people not to spend more than $20 on a spinner.  we'll make an exception in case.  let's say $30!

https://www.amazon.com/Okuma-Fishing-Tackle-Alaris-Spinning/dp/B076PTFHYH/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1527203657&sr=8-3&keywords=okuma+spy

i charge $20-40 to service a spinning reel IF i am able to service it at all.  for that price, you can buy a brand new reel!!!!!!
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: david M on May 24, 2018, 11:48:46 PM
Good news, indeed! I had a $20 zebco combo I bought years ago. I tried to service it but could. Not get it to work again...
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: wfjord on May 25, 2018, 01:20:32 AM
As vintage spinning reels go, I love my Penn 714 and 714Zs.  They're extremely tough little reels. I use them primarily now for stripers & hybrids, but also lm & sm bass.  Just put new carbontex drag washers in two of them today. I have 8 lb mono on two of them and 20lb braid on another that's working out nicely.  Also have various other vintage SS and 700 series spinfishers that I'm very fond of, too.

Being a vintage enthusiast, I haven't bought a brand new reel in over 25 yrs ---until last week, that is, when I pulled the trigger on a new Diawa BG 3000 in a moment of weakness.  Haven't even used it yet, but I'm excited about it and pretty sure I'm going to like it; I'll find out soon enough.  I was looking for it in the 2500 size, but got an okay deal on the 3000 reel/rod combo. Good line capacity--240 yds of 20lb braid (14.5 lbs max drag), carbon fiber drags, $100 price range, good looks and good reviews. Will report further on it after I fish it a while.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: MarkT on May 25, 2018, 01:32:04 AM
The new Daiwa BG's are great for $100. I'd take that over some old reel.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: wailua boy on May 25, 2018, 04:46:22 AM
When it comes to reels I fish all vintage but use some of the early skirted spinning reels from various manufacturers, they seem to be of good quality and can be had for reasonable prices.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 25, 2018, 05:44:14 AM
Come on Alan,
Spinning reels have really evolved over the past few years.
I have always been a Senator Man for my Shark Fishing Trips, but I am leaning toward a new technique.
There are several $100 spinners on the market that are capable of landing big fish from shore.
The Fin Nor LT-100, The Battle 2 8000 and the New Daiwa BG 8000 are in my arsenal now on 12' surf rods.
I also have the Penn 7500, 8500, 9500ss, 704 and 706 Z's and The Dam Quick 270 in the line up.
Vintage and New, These reels deserve respect.
I have not had luck surf fishing in my past trips, but My last one yielded more fish on spinning rigs and surf rods than Kayaking baits on Senators.
Going against all the rules I have learned in the past. Time for some new Techniques and Gear.
There is a new Sheriff in Town.
His Name is the Shark Hunter. ;)
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Jeri on May 25, 2018, 06:51:50 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on May 25, 2018, 05:44:14 AM
Come on Alan,
Spinning reels have really evolved over the past few years.
I have always been a Senator Man for my Shark Fishing Trips, but I am leaning toward a new technique.
There are several $100 spinners on the market that are capable of landing big fish from shore.
The Fin Nor LT-100, The Battle 2 8000 and the New Daiwa BG 8000 are in my arsenal now on 12' surf rods.
I also have the Penn 7500, 8500, 9500ss, 704 and 706 Z's and The Dam Quick 270 in the line up.
Vintage and New, These reels deserve respect.
I have not had luck surf fishing in my past trips, but My last one yielded more fish on spinning rigs and surf rods than Kayaking baits on Senators.
Going against all the rules I have learned in the past. Time for some new Techniques and Gear.
There is a new Sheriff in Town.
His Name is the Shark Hunter. ;)


Welcome to the modern era. With time we will get you away from those short poles, and using a proper beach caster - minimum 14'.  ::)

To the OP, suggest something from the smaller Quantum or Finnor range, they make some very robust reels. Have a Finnor Light that I have been using for years, cork drag even, and still catching plenty of fish - and simple to service.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: CapeFish on May 25, 2018, 07:02:17 AM
Get a new Daiwa BG or a Fin Nor unless you are an old school aficionado. Corrosion resistance has improved a lot on these modern saltwater spinners.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel Beaker on May 26, 2018, 10:04:20 AM
100 bucks foR a reel or a rod and reel combo?

A few reels come into mind that are less than $100.

Daiwa Laguna, Crossfire, Sweepfire, Shimano Aernos and i believe the 2015 Daiwa Revros also come under $100.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel Beaker on May 26, 2018, 10:13:55 AM
Darn, that reel Alan recommended is just nice for my bait fish needs.....
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: alantani on May 26, 2018, 01:26:41 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on May 25, 2018, 05:44:14 AM
Come on Alan,
Spinning reels have really evolved over the past few years......

well, that's actually so very true.  spinning reels have evolved tremendously over the last decade.  they seemed to have gone in all different directions at once, and all in the same direction at once. 

when i first say that they have all gone in the same direction, what i refer to is the level of complexity.  even the simplest of the new spinners have WAY more parts than needed.  it's insane!  there is really no need for a spinner to have 800 parts!!!!!!  yet, here we are.  when i was a kid, if i could have had my old mitchell 303, hot rodded they way i know now, and the fishing knowledge i have now, there isn't a fish that i couldn't have landed. 

daron, very simply, i would have been invincible........

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_26_05_18_6_06_48_245381247.jpeg)

but now we are offered a huge, (and now here's the big problem) EVER CHANGING line of spinners.  yup, new models are introduced, what, maybe every 3 years!!!!!!  old models are dumped and new one's are introduced.  and what happens when a manufacturer REFUSES to service a 4 year old spinner?  oh, you paid $100 to 800 for it?  well, you'll just have to buy a new one. 

but didn't i say something about these reels also going in different directions?  yeah, i did mention that.  what i was referring to was price.  some are sky high.  others are actually a real bargain.  a 12 year old kid can now go out,  mow a few lawns, wash a few windows, or sell an old ipod and go buy a spinner for $29.95.  then he can spend $3, install a set of greased carbon fiber drags, and guess what!  he's invincible.......   ;D

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_26_05_18_6_07_08_245392183.jpeg)
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel 224 on May 26, 2018, 04:00:38 PM
Guys I have owned a Diawa 9000 DX for at least 55 years and it's still going strong. It's ease to service and I've serviced it at least 30 times and I'm no reel expert or guru I am just a fisherman who is learning to service his own reels.

I have to admit I have more conventional reels then spinning so if you like spinning reels then by all means buy the best one you can afford. If you a 12 - 16 year old then buy one that you can afford other wise get you DAD to chip in some jingle for a better reel.

That's my own opinion....................Joe
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Gfish on May 26, 2018, 04:32:23 PM
Anything IMHO, that sparks alota opinions and controversy is a fun read and a good post, tnwaak.
My $0.02: the most fun for me has been restoring vintage '60's/'70's spinners. Zebco Cardinals(4,6&7), and the Shakespeare 2000 series, are well made, avalible for probably less than $100( including repair parts and shipping costs). The only downside for me, would be weight, but I'll take that any day over the new-fangled stuff with too much plastic. Modern high-tech. features are lacking on vintage reels, but how many high-tech features do you need witha spinner?
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel 224 on May 26, 2018, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Gfish on May 26, 2018, 04:32:23 PM
Anything IMHO, that sparks alota opinions and controversy is a fun read and a good post, tnwaak.
My $0.02: the most fun for me has been restoring vintage '60's/'70's spinners. Zebco Cardinals(4,6&7), and the Shakespeare 2000 series, are well made, avalible for probably less than $100( including repair parts and shipping costs). The only downside for me, would be weight, but I'll take that any day over the new-fangled stuff with too much plastic. Modern high-tech. features are lacking on vintage reels, but how high-tech do you need witha spinner?


Depends on what your fishing for, Like you have mentioned. Everyone has opinions on his or hers preferences on one reel or another stile design. But when it comes down to the fish you are targeting and presentation of lour or bate then the reel choice is important. Not trying to best anyone or one up.

But reels are the second besides the rod to think about. Spinning or Conventional they have there place. As for old school well I think I'm old school. But I like the looks of the newfangled reels too.

Joe   
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Ron Jones on May 26, 2018, 09:36:53 PM
I really don't know what any new reel has on the Mitchel 9 series. I get the long cast spools, but I don't cast any farther with them.
Ron
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 26, 2018, 10:38:14 PM
I'm putting together some new spinning Surf Combo's.
I will post pics when they all come together.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Jenx on May 27, 2018, 01:10:19 AM
My Shimano Sahara didn't even last through a summer of surf fishing before falling apart. So this past winter I went looking for a new and more saltwater friendly spinning reel. I was originally leaning towards the new Daiwa BG reels, but I instead changed my mind and went with the Battle 2 after reading a report from a poster on the Stripers forums who pointed out that there was a small gap around the pinning gear that could allow water to get inside. I wade out and fish in the surf, and my reels regularly get splashed, so that design flaw in the BG was a deal breaker for me, but I'm sure its a perfectly good reel if you aren't fishing it in extreme conditions.

I like my Battle, but the first time I dunked it, which happens every once in awhile, I found the reel to be pretty time consuming to break down and clean. I didn't want to potentially have to do that multiple times over the summer so I decided to go the simple route and use an old Penn 720. Minimal parts to service, and no ball bearings that need cleaning, makes this my new favorite reel for the surf. For most fishing applications my Battle is my go to reel, but for surf fishing I will probably never use a modern reel again.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: happyhooker on May 27, 2018, 01:37:16 AM
The Mitchell 300 (older models) are classic, great reels; can use them as ultralights in a pinch and they'll also handle heavier line for most freshwater fish.  You gotta keep in mind that they'll need to be maintained; if you can make the commitment to do that, they will last forever.  Only question mark would be saltwater use, but lots of folks use them for that, so again, maintenance to keep the salt off & you should be OK.  For $100, you can buy his-and-hers & still have $$ left.  If you're not of a mind to work with classic reels (slow retrieve, no R/L convertible retrieve, no skirted spools, etc.) then you will be better off with something new as suggested by some of the other posts.

Frank
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel 224 on May 27, 2018, 02:25:05 AM
The basic thing you can think of is preventive maintenance on any and all of you fishing equipment. If anyone thinks a reel can be maintenance free, well I have news for them. It does not exist. Some reels require more care then others as you already mentioned. I own a lot of reels that I use and a simple wash with fresh water all season that I do every time I come home from fishing.

The end of the fishing season I'll service them. I guess I'm just lucky so far no problems.

On the other hand I need more maintenance then I ever did, my old bones need replacement and lubrication, which I've not found the right formula for.

Joe       
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: oc1 on May 27, 2018, 05:52:07 AM
Vintage.  There are plenty of threads here about the old Penn, DAM and Shakespeare spinners.  They are more tolerant of abuse than the new stuff, can be serviced quickly and the parts seldom wear out.
-steve
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: alantani on May 27, 2018, 06:06:39 AM
yeah, but $19.95!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 27, 2018, 07:15:54 AM
Alan Hawk gives the new Daiwa BG a great review. I need the biggest one for capacity and drag for Shark Fishing.
This reel is $100. Just like the Fin Nor Lethal 100 which has been out for several years and still going.
Both put out 30lbs of drag
For that price, I buy two.
My Son didn't even service his Fin Nor reel, and has been fishing it for a few years now.
It made quick work of a 5' Blacktip last week.
This is what has me rethinking my Strategy.
I can Grab a Chair, a small cooler with a few beers, A small bag of tools (Gloves, Cutters, rigs) A rod spike and my Rod and make one trip to the Beach to be in the action, instead of four trips, Giant reels, Kayak, and lots of gear.
I, like most spinner aficionado's will always have a Penn in the line up, whether it is a 704Z or a 9500ss or a Current Battle 2.
I'm just saying the new spinners are a bargain and pack a lot of punch, drag power, and affordability.
It also throws a bigger chance into the mix.
When I Kayak out a 14/0 500 yards with 130lb mono on a 80 to 130 rod. I am confident that I can bring in whatever bites.
This is different.
A New Challenge. ;)
I strive for the best gear, but it doesn't mean you need to go for the cheapest or most expensive.
You can take this with a grain of salt, this is just my personal opinion, and I mean no disrespect.
I only get to do this two or three times a year, but I live for it. ;)
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Jeri on May 27, 2018, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Ron Jones on May 26, 2018, 09:36:53 PM
I really don't know what any new reel has on the Mitchel 9 series. I get the long cast spools, but I don't cast any farther with them.
Ron

Within the right environs, good long cast reels are worth between 10-15% more distance over deep spool conventional spinning reels - because spool lip friction just doesn't come into play, whereas it becomes very restrictive on traditional shaped spools.

Additionally, on some of the more modern models, the line lay is tremendously precise, and can wind on braids like they were factory wound with a machine. Some reels are offering up to 100 lays of line per cycle of the spool (up and down), that then leads to much greater efficiency in the cast.

Just a view from sunny Africa.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Alto Mare on May 27, 2018, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: oc1 on May 27, 2018, 05:52:07 AM
Vintage.  There are plenty of threads here about the old Penn, DAM and Shakespeare spinners.  They are more tolerant of abuse than the new stuff, can be serviced quickly and the parts seldom wear out.
-steve
I agree!

Sal
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Benni3 on May 27, 2018, 11:54:40 AM
The weigh,,,,pflueger patriarch xtsp30 6.2oz max drag 10lb 6.2:1ratio,,,,titanium main shaft,,magnesium body&rotor,,,,the new ones are light,, smooth and if your fishing everyday all day it helps your back,,,,but still love using the penn 706  ;D
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: david M on May 27, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Well, I appreciate all the comments. I'm land locked here in Juneau and ready to fish and I don't wanna wait for a vintage reel in the mail. So I hopped down to Soortsman's Warehouse and bought a Diawa Revros 3000 and an Okuma SST 7" rod. The wife got the same reel and an Ugly Stick. Hope to catch some Dolly Varden today.

I would like to know where to buy and how to install these carbon drags Alan mentioned. Seems a worthwhile investment. I do have a vintage Penn Super Mariner 49 that my friend Trevor helped me max out with new drag washers, a larger star drag wheel, and an Alan Tani Hanfle. That reel is now a beast and I hope to grab some Halibut soon.

Why Diawa? Well, when I was a kid I bout a Diawa Gold spincast rod that served me well with tons of blue gill and a few bass in East Tennessee. I kept that old thing until it simply wouldn't work. Now, my son's 9 year birthday is next week and he has one coming his way.

Shop talk is fun and I've wnjoued the responses. Now it's time to fish and make some memories!
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: wailua boy on May 27, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
I like to compare fishing reels to race cars, sometimes its the race car; most the time its the driver.

I did want to add to my first post, I do own a few modern day reels but cant say I fish them much.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 27, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: tnwaak on May 27, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Why Diawa?
The only reason I say Daiwa is for their new BG (Black Gold) Reels.
The name is just borrowed from the original Black Gold from the 80's.
They are packed with features that a lot of high end reels have at a very affordable price.
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/bg16.html
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Ron Jones on May 27, 2018, 07:47:16 PM
I hope you enjoy your Dolly Varden!
At the end of the day, messing with gear, as fun as it is, is nowhere near as important as fishing!
Ron
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: handi2 on May 27, 2018, 09:15:48 PM
Your new reel may already have carbon drags. Many of them are now using them. I know Daiwa is using carbon drags in most of their spinning reels.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel 224 on May 27, 2018, 09:55:11 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on May 27, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: tnwaak on May 27, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Why Diawa?
The only reason I say Daiwa is for their new BG (Black Gold) Reels.
The name is just borrowed from the original Black Gold from the 80's.
They are packed with features that a lot of high end reels have at a very affordable price.
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/bg16.html

I agree!

Joe
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: festus on May 27, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: tnwaak on May 27, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
. Hope to catch some Dolly Varden today.

Why Diawa? Well, when I was a kid I bout a Diawa Gold spincast rod that served me well with tons of blue gill and a few bass in East Tennessee. I kept that old thing until it simply wouldn't work. Now, my son's 9 year birthday is next week and he has one coming his way.
I remember those gold Daiwa spincasters, there were also some good looking gold Daiwa ultralight spinning reels.

BTW, we have a few species of fish in some of these deep mountain lakes in East Tennessee that have been stocked since we were kids.  Lake trout, coho salmon, kokanee, and a few cutthroat trout.  Brook trout have been introduced into the Clinch River below Norris Dam and surprisingly a few have migrated into Watts Bar Lake at the tailwaters of Melton Hill Dam.

Years ago a fellow who owned a greenhouse in Roane County told me he'd been out Oregon way, maybe Washington and caught gobs of Dolly Parton trout.  :D
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Gfish on May 28, 2018, 01:22:37 AM
I bought a Diawa Gold Spincaster a few years ago just to remind me of my childhood fishing experiences. A nice reel, with an oscillating spool system.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: sharkman on May 29, 2018, 11:07:51 AM
Environment plays a big role. The looks and features of the new reels are hard to resist. I surf fish every weekend and the old penn ss and z series seem to hold up the best.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: El Guapo on May 29, 2018, 08:32:33 PM
Hi.. im not one who fishes spinning reels a lot but due to me loosing my spinning reel a while back i did a bit of research and bought myself the Shimano Nasci c5000xg.. has a Hagane Gear as well as X-Ship or few seals in important places.. i call it the poor mans Stella lol as a few features from Shimano's top of the range reels filtered down to this budget reel.. the reel itself has a cross carbon drag ( don't think its ht-100 ) in the 5k size and not sure of the smaller sizes and super smooth.. line lay out the box without adding or removing any washers was good and had a few casts while fishing and smooth in the cast and retrieve.. did not catch anything yet and winter locally but looking forward to the beginning of fishing trips from end June / July onwards.

very easy on the eye too.. only problem is the handle which is not one piece but some tic after every trip should take care of that

Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 30, 2018, 05:08:09 AM
New BG 8000 arrived today. I like the lines of it. For $104 out the door, I like it. ;)
This reel means business. Oversize Gears and New Features that only come on reels 5 times the price.
BG on the Left, Fin Nor Lethal 100 on the right and a Battle 2 8000 in the Back.
My SS and Z Series are always in the line up too.
I really like the Black and Gold. Reminds me of one my favorites.


Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Brewcrafter on June 05, 2018, 06:08:18 AM
This is a GREAT thread.  While for surf my current tool of choice is an "sorta" old Penn 5500SS mounted on a custom 7' rod (hey, at least it's a skirted spool!), stashed in the rafters is that 3 piece 13' fiberglass rod and Mitchell 488 that I grew up with that with a 4 oz. sand anchor has lobbed many a sand crab into a Sputnik orbit off Morro Bay...
But with all the great advice here, I would say if you are looking for "trouble free" go modern.  Especially since your supply lines in Alaska may be tenuous, and I am guessing with shipping a bit expensive as well.  My take - it is more important to be on the water with decent gear, than to be waiting to get on the water until you get awesome gear, and then missing fishing trips with the family!  And to Alan's point, no matter how cool and effective Old Gear is (and I am an Old Stuff kinda guy) spending a bunch a money to fix it or modern it up, and waiting/finding parts, can really keep you off the water.  In my case my Old Stuff is from 50 years of fishing and brings me memories and pleasure, and I enjoy bringing them back to life "almost" as much as using them. 
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Alto Mare on June 05, 2018, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: Brewcrafter on June 05, 2018, 06:08:18 AM
This is a GREAT thread.  While for surf my current tool of choice is an "sorta" old Penn 5500SS mounted on a custom 7' rod (hey, at least it's a skirted spool!), stashed in the rafters is that 3 piece 13' fiberglass rod and Mitchell 488 that I grew up with that with a 4 oz. sand anchor has lobbed many a sand crab into a Sputnik orbit off Morro Bay...
But with all the great advice here, I would say if you are looking for "trouble free" go modern.  Especially since your supply lines in Alaska may be tenuous, and I am guessing with shipping a bit expensive as well.  My take - it is more important to be on the water with decent gear, than to be waiting to get on the water until you get awesome gear, and then missing fishing trips with the family!  And to Alan's point, no matter how cool and effective Old Gear is (and I am an Old Stuff kinda guy) spending a bunch a money to fix it or modern it up, and waiting/finding parts, can really keep you off the water.  In my case my Old Stuff is from 50 years of fishing and brings me memories and pleasure, and I enjoy bringing them back to life "almost" as much as using them. 
Well, I hear you, but there are some older reels out there that all they need is a good cleaning at least once a year and I mean taking it completely apart. Those will last for generations.
Be careful with the modern reels, those won't stay as smooth as they feel wnen you first use them for long, unless you've paid good money for it and I don't mean $100 or $200.
Even then, good luck finding replacement parts for those.

My brother vacations Santo Domingo for a month every year, his beautiful wife is from there.
He mentioned there isn't much there related to fishing gear, unless you go to the city.
He brought a couple new reels from here, but didn't last long. I told him to toss those and I would put a package together.
I asked  what size he was looking for and put together a package for him that included a Crak 200, a 700  green  and a Dam 550.
I've also included a couple of washers.
He should be ok for a while, but I have a feeling I might have to service them for him.

What I'm saying is there are other things to take in consideration, as location to be used, parts availability and so on.
A new reel will need replacemebnt parts much faster than an older dependable reel.

Just my opinion.


Sal
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Dominick on June 05, 2018, 05:03:39 PM
Opinion well taken.  Dominick
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Marcq on June 06, 2018, 03:16:47 AM
I was a conventional guy since I was 10 until I bought my used Penn 710Z five years ago, took it apart and noticed how simple it was, requiring less maintenance , less prone to water intrusion  compared to conventional.
I was hooked AND!! I used to hate spinners

Still enjoy my Penn conventional but find myself cursing less with my spinners  ;D

Marc..
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel Beaker on June 14, 2018, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: Gfish on May 26, 2018, 04:32:23 PM

My $0.02


Luv the way you put across your 2 cents....
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel Beaker on June 14, 2018, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: happyhooker on May 27, 2018, 01:37:16 AM
The Mitchell 300 (older models) are classic, great reels; can use them as ultralights in a pinch and they'll also handle heavier line for most freshwater fish.  You gotta keep in mind that they'll need to be maintained; if you can make the commitment to do that, they will last forever.  Only question mark would be saltwater use, but lots of folks use them for that, so again, maintenance to keep the salt off & you should be OK.  For $100, you can buy his-and-hers & still have $$ left.  If you're not of a mind to work with classic reels (slow retrieve, no R/L convertible retrieve, no skirted spools, etc.) then you will be better off with something new as suggested by some of the other posts.

Frank

Are mitchell reels any good? Never heard of the mitchell brand before. Are the newer models not that good? What is "no R/L convertible retrieve, no skirted spools". The cranking handle is stuck on one side only(right or left?) and the spool has no taper?
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Reel Beaker on June 14, 2018, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on May 27, 2018, 07:15:54 AM
Alan Hawk gives the new Daiwa BG a great review. I need the biggest one for capacity and drag for Shark Fishing.
This reel is $100.
Both put out 30lbs of drag
I can Grab a Chair, a small cooler with a few beers, A small bag of tools (Gloves, Cutters, rigs) A rod spike and my Rod and make one trip to the Beach to be in the action, instead of four trips, Giant reels, Kayak, and lots of gear.
Never fished for sharks before.. but a $100 Daiwa BG can handle a shark? How large are the sharks you are fishing for? Would it be able to handle a 120+ pound stingray?

Whats a rod spike?
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 14, 2018, 05:52:57 PM
I haven't fished the BG yet, But I'm sure it can reel in a 6 foot Black Tip.
If you are going for big rays, I would step it up to reel with more drag, Like the Cabo 100 or 120 so you don't get spooled.
A rod spike is what you sit your rod into to keep the sand off of it and you don't have to hold it all the time.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: FatTuna on June 14, 2018, 08:02:10 PM
When it comes to spinners, I generally always go modern. Especially if fishing braid. Old spinning reels have line lay issues, they are heavier, and some have back play in the handle. Not to mention you have to hunt down parts if something goes wrong.

Recently I've been buying mostly Penn spinners because they are so simple and easy to maintain. Shimanos have a ton of little parts and are more fickle. I do enjoy fishing my Shimanos though.

I've never fished/fixed a Daiwa spinning reel that I've ever been impressed with....... There is a lot of talk about the new BG but I have yet to see one.

I like the Penn Clash. Penn fixed the line lay issues that were in the Penn Battles. They have almost zero back play. The drag is super smooth and powerful. Bearings are nice and smooth. Line roller has a simple design. Light weight and braid ready spool. You can find them significantly discounted online. Really good bang for your buck reel. The only negative I have to say is that I killed my gears about about 4 months of heavy use. However, I was fishing 4-5 days a week for 8 plus hours a day. Only serviced the reel twice and continued to fish it even after it felt like it needed grease because I was down in the keys. I abused it a bit but I feel like it should have been tougher.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 15, 2018, 12:45:17 AM
I hear ya Sean.
Since Catching some nice fish on my last trip. I bought a few.
I too don't have any Shimano's, but you should really get one of the new BG's.
For $100. It is a steal. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by this reel.
Cabo 100 and 120. Battle 2 8000 and a 5000 I forgot to put in the pic, BG 8000 and another Fin Nor LT-100.
Also got two new surf rods. Ocean Master's from Bass Pro. I hope they perform as good as they look. They are all new this year.
All of this new gear for the price of one Stella. ;)
These reels have been out for a few years now. I did my research and tried to get the best for my Hard Earned Money.
The Quantum line of reels from Zebco has been out for many years.
I can remember fishing Quantum reels 40 years ago.
It is a different animal now, 60 lbs of drag tested by Alan Hawk himself.
This is a new era. ;D
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: FatTuna on June 15, 2018, 12:55:28 AM
I have no opinion on the new BG because I haven't opened it yet. I'm curious though.

Nothing wrong with throwing chunks on a spinner. That's what I did last winter and had a great time.

The thing I love most about FL is you never know what is going to bite your hook.

Tight lines buddy.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: david M on July 17, 2018, 03:04:42 AM
Well the Diawa Revros 3000 has done well this year on an Okuma rod rated for 10lb test. King salmon started running before we knew it  and I hooked five, landing two. This was using 12 lb  test monofilament. The wife landed a nice 16 lb white king with hers and a nice Chum salmon. The ones I lost were more operator error and smart fish than poor reel functioning. Had one fish go straight under a dock like it had been in that situation before!

A bigger reel and rod is in order for next year to keep the losses minimal. Thinking the classic Diawa BG or maybe a Penn Z.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 17, 2018, 04:33:33 AM
You can't go wrong with the Classics.
I'm just trying new things as well.
Cabo 120 Serviced and spooled with 460 yards of 100lb Braid on a 12' Heavy Ocean Master Rod, rated up to 50lbs and 6-12oz of bait and weight.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: david M on July 17, 2018, 12:47:49 PM
Surf casting looks like so much fun! It makes me think of sunnier beaches and different fish than we have here in SE Alaska. I love shore fishing here too, though, which is very seasonal due to the runs and spawinging of the different varieties of salmon, trout, and Arctic char of which a Dolly Varden is one. This is my first year getting into it and there is a learning curve: What's here today is gone tomorrow.

Though I respect Alan's enthusiasm for low priced spinners whose drag can be upgraded for a few dollars, I have found some serious drawbacks to these cheaper reels, especially those rod and reel combos. I've found two of these reels discarded, taken them apart and found problems. I gleaned from Alan that these modern spinners are often unserviceable due to lack of parts and/or discontinued models. Another point is that these reels do not last long. What I have discovered from disassemblying these cheaper reels is that the plastic handle cranks can strip on the main crank gear of the reels. I've had one brand new $20 Okuma reel lose the opposite hand set screw back out while fishing in waders. In  another one I tried to service the set screw couldn't be tightened all the way because then you  couldn't turn the handle. My son found one of these reels discarded and it the gears were frozen up on the inside. It looked like a cruel prank on the inside. I could not figure out how the gears could possibly make the oscillation work. It simply would not work inside the housing. So no disrespect,Alan, but I think purchasing a classic or new serviceable reel that has been around a while may be a better option. It's either that or get ready to buy a reel every season to two or maybe less. Breakdowns are never fun while fishing!

I mentioned buying a Diawa Gold spincast for one of my sons. I've serviced it once this season, I assume it was due to a 9 year old using it. He had blast landing a12-13 puns king on that reel on a $9 rod. So fun can be had for not too much out of the wallet. Interesting aside on that reel is the drag which is not wahsher based. It screws down a plate against the spool for the drag. Doesn't really correspond with the name bets on the drag selector but it works.

Thanks for all the replies to this thread. The fishing is fun but so is checking out reel schematics and dreaming of which reel might make my next cast more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: fishhawk on July 17, 2018, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on May 27, 2018, 07:15:54 AM
Alan Hawk gives the new Daiwa BG a great review. I need the biggest one for capacity and drag for Shark Fishing.
This reel is $100. Just like the Fin Nor Lethal 100 which has been out for several years and still going.
Both put out 30lbs of drag
For that price, I buy two.
My Son didn't even service his Fin Nor reel, and has been fishing it for a few years now.
It made quick work of a 5' Blacktip last week.
This is what has me rethinking my Strategy.
I can Grab a Chair, a small cooler with a few beers, A small bag of tools (Gloves, Cutters, rigs) A rod spike and my Rod and make one trip to the Beach to be in the action, instead of four trips, Giant reels, Kayak, and lots of gear.
I, like most spinner aficionado's will always have a Penn in the line up, whether it is a 704Z or a 9500ss or a Current Battle 2.
I'm just saying the new spinners are a bargain and pack a lot of punch, drag power, and affordability.
It also throws a bigger chance into the mix.
When I Kayak out a 14/0 500 yards with 130lb mono on a 80 to 130 rod. I am confident that I can bring in whatever bites.
This is different.
A New Challenge. ;)
I strive for the best gear, but it doesn't mean you need to go for the cheapest or most expensive.
You can take this with a grain of salt, this is just my personal opinion, and I mean no disrespect.
I only get to do this two or three times a year, but I live for it. ;)
there you go! Keep it simple
Title: Re: Spinning reel decisions. Vintage vs New
Post by: xjchad on July 17, 2018, 07:12:41 PM
I think spinners are under rated a lot.
I've been using my 9500SS and SSV6500LL before that to land a lot of 100+ lb. rays and sharks up to 9 foot.
One of my buddies recently landed a GW over 8' on a 12' rod and Shimano spinner.  Fought it for  1 hour and 40 minutes.

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Not all spinners are up to that task, but there are several that are, and as Daron pointed out, you don't have to spend a fortune for some of them.
It's always fun to see the looks on peoples faces when you tell them you just landed that huge fish on a spinning reel from the beach  ;D