I've been using my jigmaster for trolling 2.5 pound balls for salmon, and while it's been getting the job done, I am starting to think there are better options out there. Which reels do you all use to troll 2+ pounds? My options are somewhat limited as I prefer LH reels.
I use a hot rod jig master. With a weight release.
Quote from: David Hall on July 07, 2018, 08:32:53 PM
I use a hot rod jig master. With a weight release.
Nice. I use a weight release too. I was using a stock jigmaster. I bet a hot rodded jigmaster is a lot more capable of winching up a 2.5 pound ball every 5 minutes as opposed to a stock one. If there were hot rod internal parts for left hand crank jigmasters I'd be all over them
Take a look at the penn 49L. It can be converted to LH and the gears and drag are more suited for 2lb weights.
Yep the LH got you, I'm lefty too, but growing up only got hand me down stuff from my older brother. Learned to fish and shoot righty.
Its not hard to find LH reels or do a conversion. You dont have to settle anymore.
Mike
Have a look at the tutorial on the Senator 111, 2/0 in the Penn Senator section. This reel was made for what you are doing.
I use one with a 5 stack drag for reef fishing with 50lb braid.
try adding a stock penn 24-56 jigmaster power handle!
Quote from: basto on July 09, 2018, 10:47:44 PM
Have a look at the tutorial on the Senator 111, 2/0 in the Penn Senator section. This reel was made for what you are doing.
I use one with a 5 stack drag for reef fishing with 50lb braid.
Thanks, I will take a look into the senators.
Quote from: alantani on July 10, 2018, 01:26:14 AM
try adding a stock penn 24-56 jigmaster power handle!
I will try that. Definitely started feeling a little undergunned winching up the 2.5lb ball using the stock handle.
oh, and for left handed, take a look at the penn 321 gt2. i use the 320's for dragging 2.5 pound lead great reel! actually much better than the jigmaster. and you can add a penn senator power handle to that one. it makes for a very nice upgrade.
I have a few questions.
Are downriggers legal? Does anyone use diving planers? Does anyone mooch for salmon down there?
I use 12# gear, with Calcutta 400 and ABU 3500 reels, for Chinook with downriggers and no weight on my line. When mooching I rarely go heavier than 12 ounce sinkers.
Quote from: David Hall on July 07, 2018, 11:56:35 PM
Yep the LH got you, I'm lefty too, but growing up only got hand me down stuff from my older brother. Learned to fish and shoot righty.
Around 20% of people are LH but they are ignored by many manufactures. My granddaughter is right handed but left eye dominant, I convinced her mother to get her LH rifles and teach her to shoot left handed. She started shooting/hunting grouse with a 22LR when she was not quite 6 years old. Last year she got a mule and whitetail deer with 1 shot each, at 11 years old. She also shoots bows LH and wants to get a elk and moose with her bow, but she can't draw the legal minimum for them yet. One of her long term goals is to get tags for bighorn sheep in the area around where they live, they occasionally see them on the road to town.
Quote from: Keta on July 10, 2018, 01:19:59 PM
Around 20% of people are LH but they are ignored by many manufactures. My granddaughter is right handed but left eye dominant, I convinced her mother to get her LH rifles and teach her to shoot left handed. She started shooting/hunting grouse with a 22LR when she was not quite 6 years old. Last year she got a mule and whitetail deer with 1 shot each, at 11 years old. She also shoots bows LH and wants to get a elk and moose with her bow, but she can't draw the legal minimum for them yet. One of her long term goals is to get tags for bighorn sheep in the area around where they live, they occasionally see them on the road to town.
Interesting to hear your daughter's experience, Lee. I'm a lefty that does a lot of things right-handed, and am left-eye dominant. The eye-dominance has a big impact on throwing (or shooting) to a target. I can't pitch worth a damn! I don't shoot much, but lately am trying to do it left-handed. My right hand and arm are stronger, so I tend to use them for power. All fishing is right-handed. In a lot of things, I can switch hands if I get tired. I learned to play guitar right-handed, but feel very limited in picking, and would like to try picking with the left hand.
with the party boats, you have to use 2.5 pound lead with sinker releases. very old school. they very rarely mooch anymore, because they are required to use circle hooks and our guys just can't seem to get the hang of it. plus, fish have been so badly scattered so mooching was not very effective.
from private boats, we use mostly downriggers with much lighter rods.
Ah....charter boat fishing. Off the Columbia diving planners are popular both private boats and charter.
Quote from: alantani on July 10, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
with the party boats, you have to use 2.5 pound lead with sinker releases. very old school.
Gentlemen, this is very curious. I'm trying to manage how it works, on a party boat no less. To me, a party boat is one with 20-50 fisherman on board, so it sounds like a big mess ??? What is a sinker release? What happens to the sinker when it is released? And what happens to the part of the rig that was released from the sinker I googled it, but didn't find a good picture. :P
Quote from: alantani on July 10, 2018, 04:29:07 AM
oh, and for left handed, take a look at the penn 321 gt2. i use the 320's for dragging 2.5 pound lead great reel! actually much better than the jigmaster. and you can add a penn senator power handle to that one. it makes for a very nice upgrade.
I do have a Squall 20LWLH, but I wasn't impressed at how quickly the idler gear wore out. Since replacing the idler gear, it hasn't gotten much use.
Decker,
Check out the photo of what we call the "Dog Whistle".
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=19163.0
The set up with a Sinker Release, affectionately called a "Dog Whistle" in the parlance of the SF Bay area Salmon Fishing
The right side of the Dog Whistle is tied to the line running to the rod & reel, left side is attached to a Dodger or Flasher, then 5' of leader to the anchovy hook setup.
After the salmon hits & sets the hook, it tightens up and the "dog whistle" sinker releases the lead ball, and it sinks to the bottom of the ocean, I am sure there are MILLIONS of them sitting quietly on the bottom.
I've done one party boat trip in SF bay. They stagger the depth and troll pretty slow. When some one get bit the sinker releases and the fish comes up to the surface. They just keep trolling while you fight the fish with a very loose drag. Very few tangles, I didn't think it was possible until I saw it. We got limits for 20 by the end of the day.
When we had salmon runs down here and it got scratchy we'd troll without the release and used a snubber. It was on a private boat and didn't like trolling for anything so it was more meat fishing. The sinkers ain't cheap and there was other junk that would bite it wasting a sinker. Way more fun mooching.
Wayne and Sheridan, thanks very much for the education. I've never heard of sacrificing sinkers that way. That is a lot of lead! Very interesting.
Been salmon fishing once in a party boat at the mouth of the Columbia river. I don't think we were trolling, and can't recall the rig used.
I'd like to do some mooching on the West Coast... I'll show up unexpectedly on a cheap flight with a backpack, on Friday or Saturday, and start PMing Ohana for a couch and a loaner rod. ;D ;D ;D
i've got a spare guest room......... ;D
Quote from: mikeysm on July 07, 2018, 11:35:31 PM
Take a look at the penn 49L. It can be converted to LH and the gears and drag are more suited for 2lb weights.
Also, the narrow width of the 49's frame, relative to the increased hight of the spool(compared to that ofa jigmaster)and a lower gear ratio would make cranking up a 2.5lb. sinker every 5min. perhaps easier. I'd guess that on a stock jiggy(post & ring frame not that strong) under that kinda strain, there'ed be all kinds of tweaks that'ed wear your reel out before it's time(gears, bearings, gear sleeve, etc.)
Went out on a SF area Salmon trolling charter with about 15 co-workers years ago. Staggered line trolling lengths, 2lb. sinkers on "dog whistle" rigs, just hooked anchovies behind that. I hooked the first fish on the trip and was immediately tangled with 3 other lines and ended up losing the fish. After that, I couldn't get into it too much for the rest a the day and didn't hook up again. It was entertaining to to watch the fishing activities. I assisted novice persons with rig maintenance and was really entertained by guessing the aprox. time chumming would occur, given the particular shade of green that sea sick co-workers were turning.
I understand the economics of a charter boat business, but CROWDING fora better profit, is what it is. Don't really wanna do another Salmon charter like that, but, I probably will someday. Tomorrow, Imina crowd onto a rockfish charter and see how many drops I can make and avoid tangling others. It's a special skill with lots a variables, cause I'm onea "those guys"(like to go real light on the weight/line).
Is there any environmental controversy caused by the depositing of all that lead on the sea floor? Seems like Calif. is on topa that kinna thing alla time.
which boat?
Tomorrow? hopefully the Checkmate, but I didn't set it up. Or, are you askin' bout the Salmon trip back in the late 80's?(maybe the Huck Finn? outta Half Moon Bay).
Did getta try a planer rig once with no weight, but it was only me, with the Captain lettin me drop a line off a commercial Albacore boat as we cruised past the Canadian salmon fleet from outta Port Angeles, Wa. That was a satisfying way to get a Salmon. The planer also has a quick release mechanism, but all it does is flatten out from a ~45 degree diving angle.
Quote from: Decker on July 11, 2018, 01:25:43 PM
I'd like to do some mooching on the West Coast... I'll show up unexpectedly on a cheap flight with a backpack, on Friday or Saturday, and start PMing Ohana for a couch and a loaner rod. ;D ;D ;D
If you are near SE Oregon you can "mooch" a trip to Crater Lake NP and the Lava Beads NM from us.
Alan and Lee, thank you very much for the offers! One of these days... ::)
Quote from: Gfish on July 11, 2018, 03:27:41 PM
Went out on a SF area Salmon trolling charter with about 15 co-workers years ago. Staggered line trolling lengths, 2lb. sinkers on "dog whistle" rigs, just hooked anchovies behind that. I hooked the first fish on the trip and was immediately tangled with 3 other lines and ended up losing the fish. After that, I couldn't get into it too much for the rest a the day and didn't hook up again. It was entertaining to to watch the fishing activities. I assisted novice persons with rig maintenance and was really entertained by guessing the aprox. time chumming would occur, given the particular shade of green that sea sick co-workers were turning.
I understand the economics of a charter boat business, but crowding fora better profit, is what it is. Don't really wanna do another Salmon charter like that, but I probably will someday. Tomorrow, Imina crowd onto a rockfish charter and see how many drops I can make and avoid tangling others. It's a special skill with lots a variables, cause I'm onea "those guys"(like to go real light on the weight/line).
Is there any environmental controversy caused by the depositing of all that lead on the sea floor? Seems like Calif. is on topa that kinna thing alla time.
The day leads gets banned in California (which I can see on the horizon), if someone thinks we are going to start buying tungsten weight they are higher than a kite. 2.5 pounds x 2 for a trip, ouch that will hurt. I would be better off with concrete weights, hmm there is an idea.
Quote from: kmstorm64 on September 28, 2018, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: Gfish on July 11, 2018, 03:27:41 PM
Went out on a SF area Salmon trolling charter with about 15 co-workers years ago. Staggered line trolling lengths, 2lb. sinkers on "dog whistle" rigs, just hooked anchovies behind that. I hooked the first fish on the trip and was immediately tangled with 3 other lines and ended up losing the fish. After that, I couldn't get into it too much for the rest a the day and didn't hook up again. It was entertaining to to watch the fishing activities. I assisted novice persons with rig maintenance and was really entertained by guessing the aprox. time chumming would occur, given the particular shade of green that sea sick co-workers were turning.
I understand the economics of a charter boat business, but crowding fora better profit, is what it is. Don't really wanna do another Salmon charter like that, but I probably will someday. Tomorrow, Imina crowd onto a rockfish charter and see how many drops I can make and avoid tangling others. It's a special skill with lots a variables, cause I'm onea "those guys"(like to go real light on the weight/line).
Is there any environmental controversy caused by the depositing of all that lead on the sea floor? Seems like Calif. is on topa that kinna thing alla time.
The day leads gets banned in California (which I can see on the horizon), if someone thinks we are going to start buying tungsten weight they are higher than a kite. 2.5 pounds x 2 for a trip, ouch that will hurt. I would be better off with concrete weights, hmm there is an idea.
I had a similar idea... Why waste that much lead? Concrete seems doable... Or rocks with a screw eye in them?
QuoteI would be better off with concrete weights, hmm there is an idea.
QuoteI had a similar idea... Why waste that much lead? Concrete seems doable... Or rocks with a screw eye in them?
Sure, except that concrete and rocks weigh roughly similar to aluminum, which means they will be fairly large...
If space is limited you could always use a teaspoon of neutron star material, but you would need to build some muscles, it would be around 10 million tons.
This is the one thing that has always fascinated me🙂
Sal
Quote from: Robert Janssen on September 28, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
QuoteI would be better off with concrete weights, hmm there is an idea.
QuoteI had a similar idea... Why waste that much lead? Concrete seems doable... Or rocks with a screw eye in them?
Sure, except that concrete and rocks weigh roughly similar to aluminum, which means they will be fairly large...
About a foot of 1" rebar with a hole drilled through it would give you a 2-1/2 lb weight. No problem dropping a bunch of those onto the seafloor.
Quote from: scrinch on September 29, 2018, 12:49:00 AM
About a foot of 1" rebar with a hole drilled through it would give you a 2-1/2 lb weight. No problem dropping a bunch of those onto the seafloor.
That's being done already for deep dropping-rebar turns to rust PDQ.
Quote from: whalebreath on September 29, 2018, 03:28:57 AM
Quote from: scrinch on September 29, 2018, 12:49:00 AM
About a foot of 1" rebar with a hole drilled through it would give you a 2-1/2 lb weight. No problem dropping a bunch of those onto the seafloor.
That's being done already for deep dropping-rebar turns to rust PDQ.
Good to know! I have no experience deep-dropping, but would like to get out in the near future, and anything that helps to economize the tackle helps.