Hi, I'm having an issue that I hope someone can help me with. I purchased and installed a stainless steel gear sleeve, 98-505AT, on my jigmaster, but there's a gap between the handle screw and the handle. I've tightened the handle screw fairly tight and the handle sits flush with the top of the gear sleeve, but the gap remains. Is there a particular handle screw that needs to be used with the stainless steel gear sleeve? I hope to hear back from some of you.
Thanks for reading.
Hi Kalbi, A picture would make it easier.
Steve
Possibly the handle screw(23-60?) is bottomed out on the bridge stud, inside a the gear sleeve. Or, the handle sits too low on the new gear sleeve for the handle screw's head to contact the handle, in which case you'ed need a shim washer.
if you tighten it down and it's secure, then you should be fine.
Thanks for the quick responses. I punched the retaining pin out and removed the stainless steel gear sleeve from the bridge, then screwed the handle screw in to make sure it wasn't bottoming out on the bridge post. I'm still not able to screw the handle screw in all the way. Since the handle screw doesn't screw down all the way, the handle wobbles. I also have another jigmaster and its handle screw doesn't fit in the stainless steel gear sleeve either. In fact, it doesn't screw in nearly as far. I'll attach pics below. What's also odd is that the handle screws from each jigmaster are not interchangeable. The handle screws only fit the brass gear sleeve that it was originally screwed into. It almost seems like the threads are different.
on the inside, the threads are supposed to go down as far as the pin hole. can you take a look?
Thanks for the quick reply. When i get home this afternoon, I'll check the threads and send you a pic.
i the threads do in fact run all the way down, then my might just have to muscle the handle down all the way down and chase the threads. i'm thinking that will likely be the case. otherwise you have a couple of bad gear sleeves that i will have to replace.
Be careful muscling the handle screw down.
Make sure you have a backup handle screw on hand... ask me how I know :D
Steve
Since the sleeve if off how about running a tap down the center? What is the thread pitch? Dominick
it's a weird thread. it's not something you could buy at the local hardware store. let's find out first if the threads run down far enough. if they do, then he can lean on the handle nut and chase the threads. hell for all the trouble he's had, i should just send him a wrench...... :-\
Thanks for everyone's input. The threads go further down than on the brass gear sleeve. I tried three different handle screws, none would screw down all the way. I took Alan's advice and just forced it on. I was torquing it so hard I worried that I would strip the threads, but I didn't. I backed it off and repeated a few times. Now all three handle screws can screw onto the ss sleeve. I think the threads needed to be cleaned. Thanks again for everyone's help.
i'm glad it worked out, but that is still weird. :-\
So if you had to work as hard putting all the nuts onto the same sleeve it wasn't the sleeve threads, it's the handle nut threads with the issue.
no, i think it's definitely the sleeve...... :-\
My reasoning was that if he chased the threads with the first handle nut, why would the next two also have trouble?
Quote from: sdlehr on November 28, 2018, 10:21:26 PM
My reasoning was that if he chased the threads with the first handle nut, why would the next two also have trouble?
I'm thinking it's because the screws'
brass threads are the ones being acclimated to the sleeves
steel threads. This isn't so uncommon, I've had handle screws start out tight going into ss sleeves for the first time. It happens with the stars too.
Quote from: mo65 on November 28, 2018, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on November 28, 2018, 10:21:26 PM
My reasoning was that if he chased the threads with the first handle nut, why would the next two also have trouble?
I'm thinking it's because the screws' brass threads are the ones being acclimated to the sleeves steel threads. This isn't so uncommon, I've had handle screws start out tight going into ss sleeves for the first time. It happens with the stars too.
Exactly what I was thinking
I'm happy it worked out for you. But, for me if I had this happen and the nut had enough threads into the sleeve I would of just added a stainless washer between the nut and the handle. Prefect fix? Nope, but you would not strip either the nut threads or the ones inside the sleeve with a spacer washer/shim. Or you could of just ground the nut a few threads off the bottom.
To me is sounds like already mentioned that the threads inside of the sleeve did not go deep enough for the handle nut. And by looking at the pics it was only by a couple of threads.
Any way it does not matter you got it sorted and good for you.
I feel you are on the rite track with casing the thread, but with the right Tap and if that did not work and I'm only guessing at this point, but I would have chucked it in the lathe and turned the top of the gear sleeve a few 0.000 to see if that would seat to the crank surface.
Joe
My guess is that there isn't enough of a chamfer on the gear sleeve thread to provide a relief for the lead out on the handle nut thread.
By torquing down he nut, the OP is essentially threading the last bit of un-threaded shaft on the nut.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 29, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
My guess is that there isn't enough of a chamfer on the gear sleeve thread to provide a relief for the lead out on the handle nut thread.
By torquing down he nut, the OP is essentially threading the last bit of un-threaded shaft on the nut.
YES that's it! I looked again after reading your post and the chamfer is not deep enough. Great observance......................Joe
Kalbi,
Can you post a pic of the top of the gear sleeve without the handle or nut on it just like Alan did in this pic?
Here's the a photo of the threads.
ok, well, they go deep enough..... :-\
Is it just me, or are those threads pretty beat-up lookin?
yeah, i was thinking the same thing. still, it's a stainless steel gear sleeve versus a chromed brass handle nut. the handle nut would lose every time.
Send the gear sleeve to me and if I don't fix it N/C........................Joe
This sogga has me dizzy. ;) ;D ;D
I just fitted the handle to the gear sleeve to Alan"s SS sleeve with an the old nut from 112 and it was tight but turned it dawn and it fit tight. No alterations necessary...................Joe
You guys know a lot more about this than me, but I also thought the threads on the gear sleeve look rough. Maybe it's a good thing that the handle screw is made of a softer metal because it now fits. Do you guys think this will cause problems down the road or will it be okay?
Quote from: Kalbi on November 30, 2018, 07:25:30 AM
Do you guys think this will cause problems down the road or will it be okay?
Whose road, yours or Alans? If it's in there snug now I'm sure you're good for 80-100 years, there's no stress on those threads. I'm betting Alan has a bright light and a magnifier doing double time in his garage inspecting threads on remaining inventory.
Yeah. But I think you "married" those handle screws to that particular gear sleeve.
Before I got married, I thought I was comapatible with all the ladies I met and liked. Nope, not realistic. Now I realize that I had to be "roughed up" relationship-wise probably for any woman I chose to be with, in order to make it work.
Haha
i'm actually getting out of the gear sleeve business and handing it all over to cortez conversions. i still have plenty of 98-320 and 98-114 gear sleeves, and just a few of the 98-505's. after those are gone, i will be buying from cortez coversions. just like the handle grips, arms and bearing packers, i've never made enough money off of these to really make it worth my time. i think i'll keep the handle grips going, and maybe the bearing packers, but the rest is going to be phased out. gotta re-focus!
Quote from: alantani on November 30, 2018, 04:46:35 PM
i'm actually getting out of the gear sleeve business and handing it all over to cortez conversions. i still have plenty of 98-320 and 98-114 gear sleeves, and just a few of the 98-505's. after those are gone, i will be buying from cortez coversions. just like the handle grips, arms and bearing packers, i've never made enough money off of these to really make it worth my time. i think i'll keep the handle grips going, and maybe the bearing packers, but the rest is going to be phased out. gotta re-focus!
Thanks Alan!
well, you're welcomed, but i'm not so sure that i'm doing you any favors...... ;D
That is a good statement, I'm getting my feet wet and I'm finding out there is much to be said about Reels that I see is just close to Gun Smith work. But I like it better then Gun/Rifles.........................Joe