new prices - $80 for the TR 1000 and $85 for the TR 2000 plus shipping!
well, here it is! the topless frame for the shimano charter special by tom hrynuik. the workmanship is beautiful. i have frames for both the TR 1000 and TR 2000 models. the great thing is that the charter special will deliver 15 pounds of drag with great freespool and no side load on the right main side plate bearing. yup, it's an avet killer. better even than the old shimano tld 5's and 10's. load up the narrow TR 1000 with 50# spectra and a 30# topshot. the wide spool TR 2000 can be loaded with 65# spectra and a 40# topshot. add an oversized kolekar grip and you've got a pair of great live bait rigs.
with this run, there was one small problem.......
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well, kudo's if you noticed it in the photos above. yeah, the front crossbar is too high. the top edge of the front cross bar is dead even with the top of the arbor of the spool. on a winding machine, that is not a problem. when the reel is on a rod, however, there is a slight downward angle taken by the line. when you get to the bottom of the spool, the line hits the crossbar. there are no sharp edges to slice through the line, but it is still not right. of course, if you're hung on a big fish that takes you down that far, you've got bigger problems than the cross bar.
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we clamped this reel onto a calstar 270 and it took several wraps before there was enough height to clear the bar.
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well, not too bad for a first effort. i bought all 25 of the TR1000's and 25 of the TR2000's and i'm going sell them at cost.
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the corrected versions will be in the $90-100 range. these are $55 or $58, a really nice matching clamp is available for $10 and shipping is probably $5. thanks! alan
QuoteHi Alan, You helped me a while back with one of my old squidders and I appreciate it. I'm in the market for a newer reel and have considered the saltist 20 or avet sx....is the 1000 model of the charter special about the same size? And, would you recommend it over these other two reels? Because I can't afford a rod and reel for everything, I'm looking for the best all around set up. Most of my fishing is local (Ventura to Morro Bay), so I'm rock fishing, bass, etc. Also, what's the cost to upgrade the Charter? From what I can see on line, they come as a level wind, so this would all go away, right? Thanks for the advice, Dennis
hi, dennis! the goofed up frame for the charter special is $55 for the TR 1000 and $58 for the TR2000. when the new ones come out at the end of the year, they will be $90-100. still, it is not a cheap upgrade. the carbontex washer is $10 (i have a cheaper one), the kolekar handle is $23 or $27 if you want one, and service is $40 (takes an hour). the reel is midway in size between the sx and saltist 20, and i think it's far superior to both. alan
QuoteDarn it I thought you set up a topless charter.....oh wait that might not be a good idea depending on who the topless part aims for. Sorry....Not a bad looking set up. What is the price compared to the avet of equal veracity.
size wise, the charter specials are closer to the avet sx and mx. in terms of drag range, they are closer to the jx and mx.
to order a frame, send me an e-mail with your name, address and phone # and i'll go ahead and send it out. when it arrives, make sure it works and then send me a check. for delivery in the US, shipping will be $6. for international, figure $10. it's probably a little low, but i don't care. figure the costs will be $55 for a TR1000 frame, $58 for a TR2000 frame. optional stuff includes $10 for a matching clamp, $10 for a carbontex drag washer, $26 for a 2/0 kolekar handle or $30 for a 4/0. thanks! alan
here's another option. you can ship your reel to me for $5-7 via usps priority mail. before you seal up the box, add a stamp from the post office for return shipping, a check for $55 or $58 and the fishing reel. i'll install the new frame and return everything to you in the same box. please note that this does not include a full service. if you want me to go through the entire reel, it's an additional $40 plus parts. switching out the frame takes 5 minutes. a full service takes nearly an hour. thanks! alan
Alan, do you have any of the tr1000 frames of this lot still available?
Danny
yes, i think i have a half dozen left. send a pm if interested. thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
Quanitity as of today.
TR-1000 Frames - 9 available at $65/frame and clamp.
i gave one to phinaddict. make that 9 tr1000 frames and zero te 2000 frames. alan
We have new TR-2000 Frames. Contact Alan if you are interested.
I like the look of these a lot but what would be the advantage over a TLD 15, essentially is that what a converted charter special becomes without a levelwind? Talk me into this, cause I want one already!!
mike, the tld 15 is a pretty big reel, similar in size to a 3/0 penn 112h. it's a great reel for straight 30# mono, but very few of us fish straight mono anymore. for a 3/0 size reel, i would load it with 400 yards of 80# spectra, tie on a short topshot of 60# fluoro, and set the drags to 20 pounds. unfortunately, the tld 15 will barely deliver 15#'s of drag.
for the narrow charter special tr 1000, you are looking at a max of 12-15 drags. spool it up with 400 yards of 50# spectra, a short topshot of 40# fluoro and set the drag to 12 pounds. if you have a charter special tr 2000, you're looking at 400 yards of 65# spectra and a 50# spectra. you can get 15#'s of drag at the absolute very most, but it would be a huge strain on the drag system. figure 12 pounds of drag here as well.
of note, the avet sx and jx will deliver only 9 pounds of drag. so yes, the hotrodded charter special will outperform the avet. that's why the topless frame is so nice. as far as the cost goes, i have not decided what the margin will be on the frames. guess i'd better decide soon.
Alan thanks for the info, you talked me into it! Please post when the 1000 and 2000 frames are available and the cost. As long as there is no risk of flexing the frames with that kind of drag I cant wait to get one. Is there a way to hop the gear speed up to 6:1 on those reels?
sorry, there is really no way to change out the gear ratio. send me a pm with your shipping info and let me know exactly what you want. you'll really like the new look. thanks! alan
Alan,
After reading through this post...I was really intrigued by the Charter Special and this mod. While I was browsing for more information on the Shimano site, I found the site lists the following information:
http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/products/reels/conventional/charter_special.html#
Under the specs tab, it shows drag of 22# at strike and 33# at full. Is this information correct? Did they do something with the newer models that dramatically increased the drag?
Looking forward to your input.
BTW...these reels are hard to find used...
it's possible, but 15#'s at strike is the best i've ever been able to get without a bothersome amount of side load on the right main side plate bearing. still, 15#'s outperforms the avet mx series.
Any chance he could make some topless frames for TLD 20's.Love the reel,hate the top crossbar,it rubs the line if you put too much on it or someone doesnt levelwind the line on properly on a full reel.I would be in for 6 for sure & my friends would take some too.
i'm sure he could, but it would double the price of a reel that is already marginal. looking at a 4/0 standard or 4/0 wide reel, leaving it single speed might seem to many like a waste.
Yeah it might be a little pricey but maybe cheaper than new reels,since I already have the TLD's.I really dont need 2 speed reels that size over on this coast so the single speed works fine for me.I dont like to play with my food so I put out the big guns if there is a chance of bigger fish.I would be interested in a price on these frames.Thanks
also, if you are not exceeding 18 pounds of drag, you will be fine with the graphite frame. will you be going over 18 pounds? the minimum order for a frame would be 50 pieces and at a cost of $80-90 each...... :o
No I would not go over 18 lbs drag.I fish either 20 or 30 on the reels.I just hate the fact that the top crossbar rubs the line if you really fill the reel or happen to bunch up the line a little on a full reel.I have thought about about grinding the inner part of the crossbar down to allow for a little more leeway.I think the reel w/o the bar would be awesome !! I would be good for 10 frames but that still leaves 40 to be sold.Anyone else Interested??
well, don't start cutting away at the graphite. that won't work at all. the problem is that these reels are just no strong enough to take full advantage of the new spectra lines that are now available. to do so, you would need both an aluminum frame AND side plates.
I know its an old thread but what ever happened to the Charter Special topless frames ? Did you sell out? Are they available any where ?
still have a few left of both sizes. send a pm with your address and i'll ship one out. alan
Quote from: alantani on April 25, 2011, 02:48:18 AM
mike, the tld 15 is a pretty big reel, similar in size to a 3/0 penn 112h. it's a great reel for straight 30# mono, but very few of us fish straight mono anymore. for a 3/0 size reel, i would load it with 400 yards of 80# spectra, tie on a short topshot of 60# fluoro, and set the drags to 20 pounds. unfortunately, the tld 15 will barely deliver 15#'s of drag.
for the narrow charter special tr 1000, you are looking at a max of 12-15 drags. spool it up with 400 yards of 50# spectra, a short topshot of 40# fluoro and set the drag to 12 pounds. if you have a charter special tr 2000, you're looking at 400 yards of 65# spectra and a 50# spectra. you can get 15#'s of drag at the absolute very most, but it would be a huge strain on the drag system. figure 12 pounds of drag here as well.
of note, the avet sx and jx will deliver only 9 pounds of drag. so yes, the hotrodded charter special will outperform the avet. that's why the topless frame is so nice. as far as the cost goes, i have not decided what the margin will be on the frames. guess i'd better decide soon.
Mr. T im confused here. It seems like your saying both the tld 15 and the tr2000 put out 15# of drag, but isnt the tr2000 supposed to be 22 strike / 33 full?
i've never had a charter special put out that much useable drag before. at that point, i would start worrying about the graphite frames.
Understood, so what is the benefit of a charter over the TLD, if both have the max usable drag of 15#?
Ooooh i think i just figured out the answer, lets see if I got it right: the new metal frame lets the charter get into it's higher drag range? So >15#?
no, the charter special is a smaller reel. the TR 1000 is good for straight 50# spectra with a short 40# topshot and 12 pounds of drag. the TR 2000 is good for straight 65# spectra and a short topshot of 50# spectra and 15 pounds of drag. the tld 15 will hold a good amount of 80# spectra, but the frame must not be pushed to 18#'s of drag. with hotrodding, you might get that level of performance, but the frame could crack. the main point to having a topless charter special frame is to get rid of the levelwind assembly.
There has been some confusion about the charter specials drag for quite a while. This is how I think it came about! The Shimano site some how took the 15lbs from Shimanos north American site and displayed it as 15kg on Shimano Australia site. The myth was then perpetuated when the 15kg was then translated to 33lb back on the Shimano north American site.
I really like(so do my mates) my Charter Special 2000 with the full Tani mods. The only part now that looks a little weak and a possible wear point is the alloy pinion gear. A stainless pinion to go with the already stainless main gear would be the only other mod I could imagine. Anyone else think this or is it just overkill.
the main and pinion gears should both be stainless steel. or at least that's the way they look.
as far as the drag range goes, anyone who knows this reel, or any others in the same slze, would never for a moment think that a reel like this could safely reach a 30# drag rating.
The pinion on mine is definately some kind of alloy. The reel is quite new , bought to go with the topless frame. A small amount of wear is visable on the pinion.
i dunno what to say. gears in reels like this HAVE to be hardened stainless steel. :-\
Hi Alan,
Did you get another batch of frames? Do you have any older ones left? Price? I'm still contemplating...
I have 8 of the 1000 size in my charter operation and lots of spare parts. The R side main bearing takes a beating when used with drag and handle upgrades, but my customers love the smaller sized reels for Albies. Now if I could get them stop setting the drags too tight and or playing with preset knob, I could put more fish in the box!
TLDs are a bit pricey after the upgrades. The Daiwa 350h seem to be built tough, but are they? A friend/charter owner bought thirty Daiwa 450H's for tuna trips. After a few trips, he returned all of them and switched to TLD25s. After looking the Daiwa tutorial, those stock drag washers were probably 99% of his problem. I'm not convinced the Toriums are all they're touted to be, especially for the price.
Maybe the topless frames are exactly what I need.
ok, skipper, here goes!
the charter special - one of my all time favorite reels, yet i do not own a single one. it has the flimsiest levelwind line guide in the entire world. i mean, c'mon, it's like putting ballet slippers on a football player. the advantage is that you can get an easy 12 pounds of drag out of this reel, making it perfect for 50 pound spectra and a 40 pound topshot.
i still have the frames. i ordered a second batch with the cross bar lowered. i still sell them AT COST. add a carbontex drag washer and a stainless steel handle arm and 4/0 kolekar grip and you will have a killer reel. the frame, drag washer and handle grip add $115 to the price of the reel. there is no rational way to justify this expense, which is part of the reason that i've sold so many. a topless charter special. yes, we are still talking about a fishing reel. it is unique.
the shimano tld star 15/30 - you can look at the tutorial and decide for yourself. upgrade the drags, clean out the bearings, and bolt on a stainless steel handle and you have a killer reels. 65 pound spectra and a 50 pound topshot is where i'd put this reel. you could also fish with reel with straight 30 pound mono.
a tld 20 single or two speed - don't go for the wider reels. stick with narrow. i have drags, handles and tutorials for both. i personally fish with the tld 20 two speed for local albacore. i've done a full service on them, then beat on them for the last 5 years and they have never missed a beat. mine are spooled with spectra and a 60 pound topshot. you could also go straight 50 pound mono.
if i were going to put together a set of reels for a charter operation, it would be the tld star 15/30 for light stuff and the tld 20 two speed for heavy stuff. how does this sound? clear as mud, huh. i just don't want you spending more money than you have to.
How much again for the frames? I need 6 smaller, maybe 8? Cost is always a factor when I buy in multiples of 6 and 8, but my clients fish what I fish with recreationally.
Toriums? Thoughts...
What do you think of the Daiwa Sealines, like the topless aluminum frame 350H? I know it's a star drag which for novices seems to be easier. Yeah or nay?
I've got the 4/0 handles, bellevilles, & drags washer which made a huge difference. All my bearings were open from the factory. Most of the time, I use them on the troll with Ugly Stiks USCC 2270M's. My customers say they love them. I've been using 40# and 50# spectra. Spectra/mono tangles are a real PITA so I might switch to straight mono just to make my life easy.
Pretty sure the smaller charter specials don't have enough line capacity even with 40#, 175 yards maybe? 150-175 yards would work provided I respooled when I macrame lines. Maybe I'll try spooling one with 40# mono just to see how line I can pack on? I can really pack a spool w/o a levelwind. Once I get my 30' outriggers reinstalled, avoiding tangles will be much easier. I troll 7-9 lines.
Yes, the levelwind is a love/hate thing, but so far no failures. I always explain that inserting ones fingers into the levelwind when Mr. Albacore takes off is a self correcting problem and will take the reel out of service for the day.
Most of our fish are under 40#, 20-30# is the norm. Not sure if a 2-speed is necessary. I like the stock 20/25 TLD's, but I'm sure a modded would be great but cost? Maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy some gold and silver Shimanos or Internationals?
Hi Alan
I wonder if the frame would fit a tr 200g? It seems "close" in terms of size so I was curious (and interested in one if it does!)
Best
Juan
no, it's totally different!
Fair enough,
ok well, any plans for the 200g? ;D
Thanks!
Juan
no. it's a pretty slow reel. if you want a small star drag reel with an all aluminum after-market chassis, look at frame for the daiwa sealine graphite series reels. they are very nice.
In the meantime, I will still give another look into the charter specials if you are still selling the frames, wanna find some setups for my soon-to-be paddle board and that seemed solid, will stop by soon!
Take care
Juan
Are these frames available? I'm looking for one
Thanks in advance,
Ross
I'm interested in a frame for my charter 200 how much and are they still available
same price, still available. send a pm with address and i'll get it shipped out!
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QuoteHi Alan, You helped me a while back with one of my old squidders and I appreciate it. I'm in the market for a newer reel and have considered the saltist 20 or avet sx....is the 1000 model of the charter special about the same size? And, would you recommend it over these other two reels? Because I can't afford a rod and reel for everything, I'm looking for the best all around set up. Most of my fishing is local (Ventura to Morro Bay), so I'm rock fishing, bass, etc. Also, what's the cost to upgrade the Charter? From what I can see on line, they come as a level wind, so this would all go away, right? Thanks for the advice, Dennis
hi, dennis! the goofed up frame for the charter special is $55 for the TR 1000 and $58 for the TR2000. when the new ones come out at the end of the year, they will be $90-100. still, it is not a cheap upgrade. the carbontex washer is $10 (i have a cheaper one), the kolekar handle is $23 or $27 if you want one, and service is $40 (takes an hour). the reel is midway in size between the sx and saltist 20, and i think it's far superior to both. alan
Hey Alan, in your last post you said you had them and they were the same price...Do you have goofed up ones and or updated frames ? Are the above prices what I should go by ?
Thanks...
Cool
i added in the cost of the clamp. at first they were optional, but everybody wanted them, so i just included it. the $65 and $68 costs include a clamp.
Are there Anymore of those topless frames around or did they all go out??!
a couple of dozen left. if i can tempt you with one, send me a pm. thanks! alan
Hey Alan! Are there any tr1000 frames left?
got a bunch, send a pm! thanks! alan
Hi Alan
PM sent, thanks
Do u have a frame/clamp left for a 2000?
all gone!!!!!
The 1000 also?
unfortunately, yes.
Hey alan are these frames still sold out?
Yeah, all gone. Not sure when Tom will have time for another run. I'll post if he does. :-\
back in stock!!!!!
Hi Alan
That's good news, what's the price on the new run of frames?
Cheers
oh, yeah! $80 for the TR1000 and $85 for the TR2000, plus shipping.
Cheers Alan
I'm for one of each, I'll send you a pm.
Here's My question ~ on the narrower 1000 , How would You guys spool up for Fincky Y.T , Y-fin or Bluefin that need a topper of 12 - 15 lb. ( I've read that the braids below 40lb. are a pain to twist up to mono ? Or just spool up the whole thing with that size Mono like we used to - When they were picky at Cortez Bank ?
50 pound braid and your choice of 20, 25, or 30 pound fluoro.
ok Thanks , the reason I ask is because I have fished Rigs Yellowtail and Cortez Bluefin when the Only Line they would Bite is 12 Lb. Pink Ande ( Never had to worry about that in Sea of Cortez ) which Brand of Braid is the Best for the Buck ?
i've stuck to name brands. not sure about off brands.
Thanks , so on the 50 lb. or .38mm - .4mm ish size do You use 8 strand or is quality 4S sufficient ?
Thanks ~ Ken
Quote from: Kenstix on March 07, 2018, 12:00:55 PM
Thanks , so on the 50 lb. or .38mm - .4mm ish size do You use 8 strand or is quality 4S sufficient ?
Thanks ~ Ken
just stick with a brand name product and you should be fine. never paid too much attention to braids, as long as they don't break!
OK , Thanks Alan , could You check P-M ? Thanks , Kenstix
Hey Alan..... farmer 56 here..... do you still have any tr 1000 frames left if you do i would like one.....also looking in the past pages you talked about drag washer and handle options..... would you have washers on hand and any 3/0 sized handles for the tr1000....also what about bearing packers and small grease gun adapters ... hope this finds you and your family well... you can P.M. me here with stock.... thanks farmer 56
I just recd. My tr1000 frame Wed. from Alan (awesomeness + Clamp. hardware, etc.) + He said there are still plenty of them . I am told He's working the Fred Hall show this weekend ~ Kenstix ( not to speak for Him , just to help
Kenstix.... thanks for info....
U -Betcha , maybe someone here could help me a bit ~ I cant figure out how to upload Pictures in Private messaging without that html type of stuff ~ I forgot 20 years ago ( dont know why I cant choose a file like on this posting feature ? : (
I've never been able to post a photo on a PM either. Is it possible?
Quote from: Swami805 on March 10, 2018, 01:13:42 AM
I've never been able to post a photo on a PM either. Is it possible?
I haven't worked it out quite yet but got a tip on it . This Frame is a Thing of Beauty ( from Alan ) check Pics and have a question on the name of the Left Pin .
The schematic lists the part as
"Part # 0050 - Cross Pin B",
but I would just refer to it as a
'spool shaft pin'.
John
Thanks again John , in retrospect i guess i could have looked for Schematics on it .
After going through this Brand new Reel + Frame < fr: Alan ) I think it will be awesome as a smaller reel but I only noticed 1 thing I would have liked them to do ( kind of significant ) They have plenty of room in the frame size to have had a 3/16" to 1/4" Increase in Spool Diameter - giving probably 100 - 150-ish yrds xtra in Cap. , Which to Me ~ would have been near Absolute Perfection for like when Schoolie Bluefin are eating the Light line like Cortez bank ( or Yellows elsewhere ) . Kenstix
Hi Alan, any frames for a 1000 and drags left ? Thanks Sheridan
got lots! send a pm, thanks!!!!
Alan
Frame, handle, and carbon drag are fantastic!
Best
ed l
These are sweet reels. I have two and I love them.
-Mike
Does anyone have a frame for the 1000? Thank you.
I sure wish they would come back..!!
Quote from: handi2 on April 12, 2020, 06:10:59 PM
I sure wish they would come back..!!
And maybe something similar for the single speed TLD lever drags. Maybe there really not necessary but they sure would be nice.
got a bunch!!!!!
I was lucky enough to get 2 open frames from Alan for my TR1000 Carter specials. I had upgraded the internals about 5 years ago and just serviced them. In looking at the tutorials I noted that Alan had frames again. I had to get a couple. Did I really need them? No. Did I want them? Heck yeh!
Took less than 30 minutes a reel. Just a couple of before and after. As always with Alan's stuff, definitely top shelf.
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thast a really sweet upgrade and dang it now i want one...those reels were favored by one of our local guides, Bojangle, who is the guy that taught me how to troll and livebait stripers. Wonderful neighbor.
Quote from: thorhammer on March 14, 2021, 11:31:32 AM
That's a really sweet upgrade and dang it now I want one.
Me too John...I don't have any hotrod Shimanos. 8)
Does tr1000 frame accept rod clamps? Are they still available for sell?
Quote from: Kalbi on March 27, 2021, 07:39:20 PM
Does tr1000 frame accept rod clamps? Are they still available for sell?
My original frames did not have rod clamps nor does it appear there was a place to add them. The open face frame from Alan included a very nice rod clamp. Ken
I met up with Alan at the Pacific Coast Sportfishing show (2022) and was able to pick up a frame kit and handle arm assembly for the 1000. Alan asked me if I had a cf drag washer, which I did not, so Alan added one into the kit. When I got home, I did the install.
Here is the kit with my stock reel: Frame, foot, clamp and all the hardware in the tray. along with the cf washer (extra cost). (Handle is in the next photo)
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As you can see, there is a difference in the handle size, and Alan has two mounting holes in the handle arm. I chose the longer arm setting.
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A closeup of the frame and foot:
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Installing the reel foot, use your grease!
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Reel disassembled into the main components, if you get lost please refer to Alan's tutorial.
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You will have to remove the white levelwind gear from the left hand side plate in order for the aluminum frame to fit to the left plate.
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A quick comparison between the white factory canvas drag washer and the carbon fiber replacement. Grease up that CF and slap it in place! (Alan's tutorial covers this swap)
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These are the frame screws for the aluminum frame, four on the left plate and five on the right plate. Grease these too...
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Here is the right side plate all done up with the new screws. Just reinstall the quadrant, the lever assemble parts and the new handle.
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And now you have a completed reel!!!
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Alan asked me how I was going to set up the reel... As a 40lb or 30lb reel. When I hesitated since I'm new to this style of fishing, Alan added some valuable information. It can be fished as a 40lb reel, but that means close to 20lbs of drag at full. At 20lbs, the gears will fail (at some point). As a 30lb reel, 15lb max drag at full would be the target and the gears can handle that with no issues. So with that info, I decided to make it a 30lb reel. This is relevant because Alan included a set of heavy belleville washers that are only needed if you want to exceed 15lb at full. Since my goal was 15lb max for the reel, I stayed with the stock washers and things worked out very well as you'll see next...
So now it was time to set the drag. I had already loaded the spool 2/3 full with 50lb pp braid, so I adjusted the pre-set dial, put the lever to full and gave a straight pull with my spring scale... 16lbs. Whoops, too much pre-set. Lever back to free, dial down the pre-set, lever back to full and I got 15lb. So close! Since the rod will contribute 10% to the drag, I wanted 14lb at full. Repeat the same adjustment for a third try with the scale, and got a perfect 14lbs.
So now the question is "what is strike if full is 14lbs?" That's were it gets really interesting. Full was 10lbs on the nose. So I checked the drag at different lever settings. Just out of free spool it's 6lbs, at the first frame screw (halfway between free and strike) it's 8lbs, strike is 10lbs, half way between strike and full is 12 lbs and full is 14lbs. A perfect linear drag curve!!! So for me, the factory belleville washers are exactly what I needed in this reel.
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I also checked free spool time and with the properly cleaned and lubed (TSI321) factory bearings, I got 30+ seconds. This thing is ready to fish. Thank you Alan and Tom!
Loons good rich!
Alan , farmer56 here , by any chance do you still have charter special tr 1000 frames ... also on a side note are the new charter specials made the same as the old models . thanks dennis
i do still have the frames. they are $80 for the TR-1000 plus shipping. there is also a $10 carbontex drag washer and a $43 handle that has a stainless steel arm and a 3/0 grip. if you want something unique, this would definitely be it. ping me with your address and i can get you a total. thanks! alan
Great Alan .... Could i mail you a reel , or your shop for the work..timing is NOT important. One question though , by using the frame can the reel last with 14 to 15 lbs drag..or is this still an 8 to 10 lb. reel . thanks farmer out..... dennis
it's good for an easy 12 pounds of drag for a 40 pound topshot. 15 pounds of drag is pushing. personally, i think it's really too much of a load to fish with confidence.