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Title: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: alantani on May 14, 2010, 03:00:29 AM
Quote from: broadway on May 12, 2010, 07:40:05 AM
Hey Alan,

      I was putting together a 114H tonight (this morning:)  and had no luck getting the original handle on the "electramate" stainless gear sleeve.  Any suggestions? Do you stock a handle for situations like this?  Always appreciate your input/help.  Thanks
Dom

Quote from: broadway on May 14, 2010, 12:38:49 AM
I think if I hit it with a rubber mallet it will fit.  What do ya think of that?  I spoke to Dave from electramate and he seems to think I have a made in china reel.  I explained to him it's a maroon sideplate 114H and the existing gear sleeve in the reel fits the handle, but his stainless one doesn't...Hmmm?  He told me to call him tomorrow when I try my other 114H handles with the gear sleeves.  I just tried them and they fit a tiny bit better but same issue.  In my opinion it has to be the gear sleeves cause all 3-114H handles don't fit any of the 5 gear sleeves I bought.   Think I gotta send them back, however he says they are precise and there's no way it could be a bad batch.  He was trying to hepl me I think, but was a bit stumped himself.  Any suggestions?  Thanks
Dom

naw, you're good.  what you have is a "pressed fit!"  use the handle nut to press the handle down on to the gear sleeve.  it's a precision fit and it's fine!!!!!  dom, hope you don't mind, but i'd like to post this......  alan
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: suitekids on June 08, 2012, 01:03:22 AM
Derek and his crew at electramate make very nice high quality sleeves, top notch stuff
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: alantani on June 08, 2012, 01:13:42 AM
i finally had one of the machine shop guys make a 6/0 gear sleeve for me.  i still need to do the final check, but they look great!
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: suitekids on June 08, 2012, 01:16:53 AM
Well thats great!! when are they going to be ready for shipping??
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: alantani on June 08, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
well, now actually.  you just have to let me know if you have any problems.  i'd like to inspect all of them first, but i'd also like a week off to go fishing.  neither one is happening soon.   ;D
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: suitekids on June 08, 2012, 01:22:32 AM
very true my friend, will they work on the 9/0 too? either way I'm in for one at your earliest convenience
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Alto Mare on June 08, 2012, 01:26:03 AM
Yes, the 6/0 sleeve will also work on the 9/0.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: suitekids on June 08, 2012, 01:28:38 AM
Thanks Sal, I did the double SS dogs on my 114h tonite, thanks for the tip ;D
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Alto Mare on June 08, 2012, 01:39:08 AM
Very nice Dan, good to hear. See if you could post some pictures next time, we would all love to see them.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: suitekids on June 08, 2012, 01:52:50 AM
I will Sal, before final assembly, I'll do a spread of parts, upgrades, and thanks to the fine folks here that helped me.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Bruce on June 08, 2012, 02:19:06 AM
Alan     How much is that SS gear sleev for 9/0?
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Bryan Young on June 08, 2012, 03:06:52 AM
Hi Alan, can you save 6 for me?  Bryan
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: alantani on June 08, 2012, 06:57:14 AM
i have not done the final QA check on them.  i am charging $28 for now, but that will go up as soon as mysticparts.com get's they shipment.  these suckers are HUGE! ;D
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Makule on June 08, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
Alan,

Will take 2.  Thank you.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: suitekids on June 10, 2012, 02:12:30 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 08, 2012, 01:39:08 AM
Very nice Dan, good to hear. See if you could post some pictures next time, we would all love to see them.

ok, here is a pic of the mod, too bad they don't sync
(http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr205/suitekids/114h%20mods/114doubledogs001.jpg)
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Alto Mare on June 10, 2012, 02:35:07 AM
Dan, I'm glad that you posted that picture. The plate that you're showing was discontinued by Penn but I don't recall the reason, you have an injection molded plate. Do you mind showing us one shot of the plate without the dogs? It appears that you didn't have to do much shaving, nice job by the way. You could make those dogs engage at the same time, from the 15-114H to the 15-116, the dogs  lenght goes up by appr. 1/8". I'm sure if you install one 15-114H and one 15-115, the dogs would engage at the same time. Lee might have some ready for us. Thanks again for showing. Sal
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Bryan Young on June 10, 2012, 03:49:05 AM
I was about to grind mine down so that they would mate up or completely alternate halfway inbetween.  Hmm, decisions...
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Alto Mare on June 10, 2012, 03:57:19 AM
Six in one hand and a half dozen on the other Bryan, I would wait for the 15-115. You might still have to do a little filing, but I'm sure  it won't be much.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Alto Mare on June 10, 2012, 04:11:15 AM
Ok Dan, I just remembered about those plates:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=penn%20injection%20plates%20bulletin&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CGMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpennreels.com%2Fsites%2Fall%2Fthemes%2Fpenn%2Fimages%2Frepairbulletin1.pdf&ei=Vx3UT8GKLabH0AG5o5H7Ag&usg=AFQjCNFCgrgC89sPMvm3g4Qt91AKwVamjQ.
But don't worry, the ones that I know about never had a problem.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Bryan Young on June 10, 2012, 05:08:19 AM
Thats good that that plate didn't have a problem because that is what my plate looks like.  Funny, mine works out with ratcheting every other, almost the middle of each Rachel, which is what I wanted, but not the same as Dan's.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: suitekids on June 10, 2012, 07:28:11 AM
Hi again guys, here is a pic without the dogs installed and alongside the replacement sideplate on the left (compression molded) for comparison, Sal, this is the pic you wanted right?

(http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr205/suitekids/114h%20mods/114hchange001.jpg)
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Alto Mare on June 10, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
Thanks Dan, I appreciate the shot. What you have there are plates that are made to swing left to right. You only needed to shave a little by the new dog area.... just as I suspected. For those of you that have the 1-114H that is molded to swing left to right, go for it, it's fairly easy. On the 113H, it's not worth the effort.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: suitekids on June 10, 2012, 12:44:44 PM
There is another small thing to consider, the little section you shave out to fit the second dog is also acting as a tab to support the bridge before it freespans to the sleeve just after the screw. I don't know how much deflection of the bridge plate occurs under load across that open span, but I suspect that more support would be better. I also think the 6/0 bridge is very stout and I'm being over cautious, just my structural construction background...  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Alto Mare on June 10, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
I also have a little structural construction background and have corrected architects a few times in the past ;D. I do not believe that shaving the area as I did on my Reel/Tank would cause any problems, there is enough material left to support the bridge plate. As everything else, the proof is in the pudding! As of now, I do not have any issues with mine.
I also want to add that most of the stress is absorbed by the frame itself, there isn't much sideway pressure on a reel under load. When a reel twists under load, as they do with graphite frames, that's when you'll have frames and gears problems. Tiburon has it right with their new frames, eliminating the inner rings creates one unit with the frame and plates. A reel that doesn't twist under load is a happy reel.
This is only my opinion.
Take care. Sal
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: shadfun on January 10, 2018, 04:16:28 AM
Quote from: alantani on June 08, 2012, 06:57:14 AM
i have not done the final QA check on them.  i am charging $28 for now, but that will go up as soon as mysticparts.com get's they shipment.  these suckers are HUGE! ;D
Hi can I have couple of this parts for my Penn 6/0 and 9/0. thanks
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 10, 2018, 04:39:39 AM
Being this post is 6 years old. I'm not sure if alan still has them in stock.
Cortez Conversions has them in a ten tooth version.
https://www.cortezconversions.com/ss-gear-sleeves

Mystic parts also has these if alan can't help.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/PennParts/Custom/98-114AT.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/PennParts/Custom/98-114AT.aspx)



"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackles old online store over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: twotone on January 10, 2018, 11:07:42 PM
This post reminded me to ask this?  Is this 6/0 sleeve on the left an ElectraMate sleeve?
I ran across this 114h sleeve in a easy access drag plate.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 11, 2018, 06:18:06 AM
Its hard telling Anthony.
I'd say with that straight shaft. Probably not.
It was probably made by someone here.
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: alantani on January 11, 2018, 08:45:35 PM
that's one of mine!
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: twotone on January 11, 2018, 09:25:12 PM
Didn't remember seeing any center hole at the bottom of any other stainless sleeve. I do see them on brass ones.


Thx 
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve - UPDATE !
Post by: ez2cdave on May 17, 2018, 09:21:17 PM
Greetings, Ohana !

Elec-Tra-Mate makes Stainless Steel Gear Sleeves for several different reels . . .

QUOTE :

Stainless Steel Gear Sleeves

Over the years, fishermen have requested faster and more powerful Elec-Tra-Mate® models.  Today's Elec-Tra-Mates now have considerably more power than the drag on the reels can handle.  Not realizing the extreme power of the Elec-Tra-Mate® when large fish are hooked, there is a tendency by the fisherman to continue tightening his drag in an attempt to bring the fish to the boat faster.  When this happens, the Elec-Tra-Mate® exerts more torque on the threads inside the Brass Gear Sleeve inside the Penn® Reel than they are designed to handle and they start to strip.  Over a period of time, because of this extreme power, the threads eventually fail, rendering the reel useless.

Brass Gear Sleeve failure often leaves the recreational and commercial fisherman without the use of this Elec-Tra-Mate® until his Penn® Reel is repaired.  Seldom is the fisherman given warning of his reels impending failure. At the request of tackle stores who repair these big game reels, and fishermen who use our products, we now offer a stronger replacement Gear Sleeve machined from Solid Stainless Steel to eliminate this problem. The Stainless Steel Gear Sleeve is manufactured entirely in the company's North Carolina factory, and comes with a 90 day parts  warranty against defects in material and workmanship.

98-320SS  - Fits Penn 320 GT2, 330 GTi, 330 GT2, 113H 4/0

98-114SS  - Fits Penn 114,114H, 114HL, 114HLW 6/0 and 115L 9/0

98-116SS  - Fits Penn 116 12/0

98-117SS  - Fits Penn 117 14/0

END QUOTE :

http://elec-tra-mate.com/store/store.php?crn=222 (http://elec-tra-mate.com/store/store.php?crn=222)

(http://elec-tra-mate.com/store/sc_images/products/433_large_image.jpg)

Tight Lines !
Title: Re: electramate 6/0 gear sleeve
Post by: handi2 on May 17, 2018, 09:58:47 PM
Twice I have found SS gear sleeves with the bottom lubricating hole in the 114H reels. They were probably made by Electramate. I'm only assuming.

I still have them.

Keith