Daiwa magnetic seal service

[swoffer]

Blimey , so are you thinking magseal is looking like a gimmick ?

Still like to get hold of some fluid here in Aus , anyone got any leads on that ?

Cheers Al

[exp2000]

Blimey , so are you thinking magseal is looking like a gimmick ?

Still like to get hold of some fluid here in Aus , anyone got any leads on that ?

Cheers Al

Drop me a PM and I will see what I can do.


Personally I have never serviced one myself although I would enjoy exploring this new technology. So what I am offering here is just second hand information:

Alan Hawke has followed several generations of this tech now. Earlier ones seemed to have problems with seepage and contamination. Although he personally does not think this tech belongs in a fishing reel, his most recent review on the Daiwa Expedition would indicate that they have now got the technology sorted and it performs as it should.

A bloke who runs a Coastal Fishing Camp here reports that he has been running Mag Seal Certates for over four years now without being serviced in that time and they still perform like new. I find this ver impressive given the use (and abuse) they would see in a professional operation.

I advised him that it would be wise to get an "oil change" soon since exposure to contaminants would cause the ferrofluid to degrade over time.

I have recently bought a couple of mag seal reels myself so one day I will get around to tinkering with them.

Hopes this helps.
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[ReelClean]

Blimey , so are you thinking magseal is looking like a gimmick ?

Still like to get hold of some fluid here in Aus , anyone got any leads on that ?

Cheers Al

Give Daiwa Australia a ring, I have been informed they will sell you some of theirs (I won't need to buy any for a long time).  Be prepared for sticker shock though.  I haven't been able to find any sort of satisfactory oil for under about $20 per ml, and Daiwa heardsay is $100 for 5ml.
Anecdotally it appears that the oil in  '10 Certates was pretty short lived, but '13 on seems to hold up better.
Cheers
Steve

[swoffer]

Give Daiwa Australia a ring, I have been informed they will sell you some of theirs
Cheers
Steve

Nup , been pestering them for ages , as recently as today I'm informed that under no circumstances will they supply it to anyone 

[ez2cdave]

Here is the SCHEMATIC for that DAIWA CERTATE 2506 reel . . . ( Attached )

Tight Lines !

[ReelClean]

Give Daiwa Australia a ring, I have been informed they will sell you some of theirs
Cheers
Steve

Nup , been pestering them for ages , as recently as today I'm informed that under no circumstances will they supply it to anyone 

Rumour has it that the service dept is "under new management".

[ez2cdave]

Rumour has it that the service dept is "under new management".

That is almost never a good thing, whether in Australia or the USA . . .

Tight Lines !

[ez2cdave]

We have been discussing the magseal situation here . . .

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=19286.0

Tight Lines !

[ReelClean]

One of the members here has been exchanging PMs with me. He contacted Ferrotec and received this info which he is happy to share.

I got a reply from Ferrotec Industries USA:

Their chemists seem to think there would be no reason why the APG L11 class ferrofluid wouldnt work to lubricate magnetic ball bearings.
They did mention they produce a class of ferrofluid especially for this which is very similar almost identical in makeup and ingredients to the APG L11 fluid.
I wonder if theyre referring to the fluid they manufacture for Daiwa?

The APG L11 fluid is the one I selected for Unobtainoil to replace Magseal oil, it seems it may also be satisfactory for lubing the mag bearing.
cheers
Steve

[exp2000]

One of the members here has been exchanging PMs with me. He contacted Ferrotec and received this info which he is happy to share.

I got a reply from Ferrotec Industries USA:

Their chemists seem to think there would be no reason why the APG L11 class ferrofluid wouldnt work to lubricate magnetic ball bearings.
They did mention they produce a class of ferrofluid especially for this which is very similar almost identical in makeup and ingredients to the APG L11 fluid.
I wonder if theyre referring to the fluid they manufacture for Daiwa?

The APG L11 fluid is the one I selected for Unobtainoil to replace Magseal oil, it seems it may also be satisfactory for lubing the mag bearing.
cheers
Steve

Thanks for the good news mate. Jon is going to try some out in bearings so this looks promising.
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[MJensen]

One of the members here has been exchanging PMs with me. He contacted Ferrotec and received this info which he is happy to share.

I got a reply from Ferrotec Industries USA:

Their chemists seem to think there would be no reason why the APG L11 class ferrofluid wouldnt work to lubricate magnetic ball bearings.
They did mention they produce a class of ferrofluid especially for this which is very similar almost identical in makeup and ingredients to the APG L11 fluid.
I wonder if theyre referring to the fluid they manufacture for Daiwa?

The APG L11 fluid is the one I selected for Unobtainoil to replace Magseal oil, it seems it may also be satisfactory for lubing the mag bearing.
cheers
Steve

I have a Certate13 which has developed noicy lineroller. I have already purchased Magseal oil from a Korean ebay shop,  and I'm going to have to service that noicy lineroller but I have no idea how to refill it's Magseal. Have you ever done it? The main Magseal in the reels body seems quite easy to refill since parts are not too small,  but in lineroller they seem to be really small and therefore I have not deared to even dismantle it yet.

[ez2cdave]

[ReelClean]

I have a Certate13 which has developed noicy lineroller. I have already purchased Magseal oil from a Korean ebay shop,  and I'm going to have to service that noicy lineroller but I have no idea how to refill it's Magseal. Have you ever done it? The main Magseal in the reels body seems quite easy to refill since parts are not too small,  but in lineroller they seem to be really small and therefore I have not deared to even dismantle it yet.
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Firstly, you might want to check the specs of the oil, many are hydrocarbon or water based (esp from Asia ebay).  Hydrocarbon usually evaporates faster and water based, well... you can work it out  
The 13 Tate LRB is simply a standard SS bearing packed with grease that is sandwiched between a plastic outer case and a couple of magnetic packing washers.  Flush and grease pack the bearing, then assemble the stack and finally reintroduce the magoil to the gap.  You can see the stack here:
If it is already noisy you may have to replace the brg.  
cheers
Steve

[MJensen]

Thank you Steve, that video is going to be very useful. I ordered MF oil from the Reelshop of Korea which has been discussed earlier in this forum. I service my reels once a year, and fish them only in fresh or brackish ( Baltic Sea)  so it is not necessary for the oil to last several years,  one season is enough for me. By the way, is there any new information about this oil, is it hydrocarbon or synthetic oil based. Or is there a simple way to test it myself?

Mika

[ReelClean]

Thank you Steve, that video is going to be very useful. I ordered MF oil from the Reelshop of Korea which has been discussed earlier in this forum. I service my reels once a year, and fish them only in fresh or brackish ( Baltic Sea)  so it is not necessary for the oil to last several years,  one season is enough for me. By the way, is there any new information about this oil, is it hydrocarbon or synthetic oil based. Or is there a simple way to test it myself?

Mika

From the retailer answering my query:
Thank you for your contact us.
It is magnetic synthetic oil.
It is very special oil.
Thank you.

cheers
Steve