Help on old Sabre model #'s (Carson,Gardena)

[Rocket]

Hello Everyone,

I need help on old Chocolate Sabre model #'s (ie, length & line class). I've searched around and haven't had any luck. Lately I've been slowly reverting back to "old school" rods and don't have the slightest clue on Sabre #'s. Such as 201, 671, 1500, etc.

I've just re-wrapped a few older sticks: Roddy BR70, TNT (cut), Sabre ST666C, & a Silaflex (6'9", cut?), and would like to fish a few more older Sabre's.

Any help would be greatly appreciated 

Thanks,
Ron

[Jon Vadney]

If my memory serves me correctly: the 201 is a 10-20# live bait rod, 671 is a 25-60# rod, and the 1500 is a 20-50# rod.  Don't try to figure the numbering system out as all it is, is the mandrel number Leon used when making the blanks.  A mandrel numbered "196" produced a 196 blank. A "270" mandrel made a 270 blank, etc etc.  Over time, the numbering system stuck for the CA based rod companies and is why a 270 from seeker is the same line rating as a 270 from calstar, etc etc. 

[Jon Vadney]

Here's the history of Sabre and Calstar:

Many have asked questions about Calstar vs. Sabre and other west coast action rods or blanks. I received an e-mail from one of our customers who found this history lesson on the west coast rod and blanks. The following was written by Jerry Rillbug.

"I will try to keep this short as possible, but there is a lot of history to cover. Calstar rods are manufactured in Gardena by owner Leon Todd. Leon started off in the fishing pole industry with a small company called Roddy Rods. Because of his expertise, he was asked to go to work for Sabre (California Tackle) when they started up and was one of the small stockholders in the company. Leon worked for Sabre for about 19 years and was the main inventor of most of the present day west coast rods. He always had a willing ear and would try almost anything that sounded reasonable.

When some of us asked for shorter rods, he designed the very first short Stroker rod, the 655. Because this was a little soft, he changed the patterns slightly and made the rod stiffer. This was labeled, the 655-H. After trying these rods out, we wanted something even stiffer and the 655-XH was born. Then ultimately the 655-XXH, 6455 series, (Leon didn't want to continue adding X's to the number) and many others.

Leon left the company after about 19 years and went into retirement. A friend and I found a rod manufacture up north that was going under and we tried to get Leon to go into business with us and we would start another rod company. Leon declined and decided to go into the hypalon grinding business, just to do something. One day, an acquaintance contacted him and asked him if he would like some rolling machines,cello-wrappers etc., which is the same equipment used to make fiberglass poles. At that time the beds were short, because they were being used to make aircraft antennas, but with a little money and a few modifications, and his own mandrels made up out of high quality steel, Leon was able to make short rods, and started to roll out, a few 655 series blanks. (I have the very first one he made) He didn't have any way to wrap them so he sold them to a few of the local tackle stores to wrap their own.

In the meantime, Sabre had been bought out by a holding company, and the new manager, started cutting corners, and the quality of Sabre rods went downhill rapidly, and they eventually went under. A couple years later, another Calif. rod company, Pro Rod, was having financial difficulties, and at the same time Penn reels was looking for a place to make fishing poles here in the States, and they bought out Pro Rod. About three or four years after the first closing of Sabre and then the second and final closing, Penn negotiated with Sabre to buy the Sabre name and the Stroker name only. These are not the quality of the original Sabre rods, but are of a decent quality. (By the way, Leon is the person who came up with the name Stroker for Sabre)

Back at Calstar, Leon started making more rods but still did not wrap them. I saw a possible company, and started up Commercial Rod Wrapping, and we wrapped rods for Calstar, Sabre, Kencore, and a few smaller people. After two years, Leon bought me out, lock stock and barrel, and now completely makes the rods from start to finish. Leon has been in the industry for over 30 years, and is probably the most knowledgeable person about glass and glass/graphite fishing poles I have ever met. He refuses to skimp on quality, and anything that goes into or onto a Calstar fishing pole is tops. He personally inspects the majority of all rod blanks produced and will not release any rejects, even to me.

Sabre rods were the avant-garde of the industry, and any of you who have some of the older rods, know their quality. They were tough, butt kicking rods that were the rod to have if you were a long range fisherman, where quality made the difference between success and failure. When Leon left the company, so did his expertise, but we are fortunate to have his knowledge working for us today. He turns out a number one quality rod, for a very reasonable price that has a lifetime warranty. The reason that more Tuna over 200 pounds have been caught on a Calstar than any other rod, is the fastidious long rangers want a product that is reliable, and performs to their individual needs.

We hope that Calstar will have a web page one of these days. They have a lot to offer, and could really answer a lot of our questions online. Sorry for the long message, but this is in response to some of the comments made to my note on the 25th, and I hope I have cleared a little of the mud and mystic about Calstar and Sabre...two great rods."

[Shark Hunter]

Jon,
All I have to say is that you are a valuable asset to this site. Good Job Brother!

[Aiala]

Very interesting and informative. I wonder, how does one go about determining whether an old Sabre rod is from the early high-quality era (and therefore worth the cost of re-wrapping)?   

~A~

[Rocket]

Thanks Jon!!!

Great info on some of the "strange" model #'s. At least now I have some idea what I'm looking at and/or for.

Glad to be part of the family, you guys & gals are full of knowledge. Thanks for all the input!

[SoCalAngler]

Here's the history of Sabre and Calstar:

Many have asked questions about Calstar vs. Sabre and other west coast action rods or blanks. I received an e-mail from one of our customers who found this history lesson on the west coast rod and blanks. The following was written by Jerry Rillbug.

"I will try to keep this short as possible, but there is a lot of history to cover. Calstar rods are manufactured in Gardena by owner Leon Todd. Leon started off in the fishing pole industry with a small company called Roddy Rods. Because of his expertise, he was asked to go to work for Sabre (California Tackle) when they started up and was one of the small stockholders in the company. Leon worked for Sabre for about 19 years and was the main inventor of most of the present day west coast rods. He always had a willing ear and would try almost anything that sounded reasonable.

When some of us asked for shorter rods, he designed the very first short Stroker rod, the 655. Because this was a little soft, he changed the patterns slightly and made the rod stiffer. This was labeled, the 655-H. After trying these rods out, we wanted something even stiffer and the 655-XH was born. Then ultimately the 655-XXH, 6455 series, (Leon didn't want to continue adding X's to the number) and many others.

Leon left the company after about 19 years and went into retirement. A friend and I found a rod manufacture up north that was going under and we tried to get Leon to go into business with us and we would start another rod company. Leon declined and decided to go into the hypalon grinding business, just to do something. One day, an acquaintance contacted him and asked him if he would like some rolling machines,cello-wrappers etc., which is the same equipment used to make fiberglass poles. At that time the beds were short, because they were being used to make aircraft antennas, but with a little money and a few modifications, and his own mandrels made up out of high quality steel, Leon was able to make short rods, and started to roll out, a few 655 series blanks. (I have the very first one he made) He didn't have any way to wrap them so he sold them to a few of the local tackle stores to wrap their own.

In the meantime, Sabre had been bought out by a holding company, and the new manager, started cutting corners, and the quality of Sabre rods went downhill rapidly, and they eventually went under. A couple years later, another Calif. rod company, Pro Rod, was having financial difficulties, and at the same time Penn reels was looking for a place to make fishing poles here in the States, and they bought out Pro Rod. About three or four years after the first closing of Sabre and then the second and final closing, Penn negotiated with Sabre to buy the Sabre name and the Stroker name only. These are not the quality of the original Sabre rods, but are of a decent quality. (By the way, Leon is the person who came up with the name Stroker for Sabre)

Back at Calstar, Leon started making more rods but still did not wrap them. I saw a possible company, and started up Commercial Rod Wrapping, and we wrapped rods for Calstar, Sabre, Kencore, and a few smaller people. After two years, Leon bought me out, lock stock and barrel, and now completely makes the rods from start to finish. Leon has been in the industry for over 30 years, and is probably the most knowledgeable person about glass and glass/graphite fishing poles I have ever met. He refuses to skimp on quality, and anything that goes into or onto a Calstar fishing pole is tops. He personally inspects the majority of all rod blanks produced and will not release any rejects, even to me.

Sabre rods were the avant-garde of the industry, and any of you who have some of the older rods, know their quality. They were tough, butt kicking rods that were the rod to have if you were a long range fisherman, where quality made the difference between success and failure. When Leon left the company, so did his expertise, but we are fortunate to have his knowledge working for us today. He turns out a number one quality rod, for a very reasonable price that has a lifetime warranty. The reason that more Tuna over 200 pounds have been caught on a Calstar than any other rod, is the fastidious long rangers want a product that is reliable, and performs to their individual needs.

We hope that Calstar will have a web page one of these days. They have a lot to offer, and could really answer a lot of our questions online. Sorry for the long message, but this is in response to some of the comments made to my note on the 25th, and I hope I have cleared a little of the mud and mystic about Calstar and Sabre...two great rods."

Good info but it is really old. Calstar has had a website for around 10 years now. If I was you Rocket I'd call Calstar. There is a welth of knoledge there. Talk to Pat, Leon's wife as she can answer most questions or if you can Leon himself but he is usally busy in the shop. I have taken very old rods and got all the info I can get on the rods they made....even before they were Sabre then Calstar.


Tackle Specialties – Calstar
1245 West 132nd. St.
Gardena, Ca. USA 90247
Phone 310-538-0535
FAX-310-538-0783

[Rocket]

Hey SoCalAlgler, thanks for the info. Nice to know if I come across some older Sabres I can call Calstar for more info.

[Jon Vadney]

Oh no doubt the info is from a post from ages ago, but it has a ton of good info in it