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oc1

Put it on the end of a pencil and spin it.  If it is anything other than smooth and quiet then there is to work to do.  You are unlikely to be able to assess it by looking.
-steve

wfjord

#91
Last week I was fussing with some old clogged up bearings with non-removable shields in hopes of revitalizing them. I soaked them in mineral spirits and also in naphtha for a day or two with unfavorable results.  Finally I put them in mineral spirits in a small pimento jar, put the lid on and shook them like crazy. The impact of the bearings banging against the sides of the jar really loosened up a lot of gunk. I repeated the process several times, each time in clean mineral spirits until no more gunk came out and the bearings spun smoothly and quietly. One of those light bulb moments for me.

exp2000

#92
Quote from: wfjord on February 05, 2018, 05:40:33 AM
Last week I was fussing with some old clogged up bearings with non-removable shields in hopes of revitalizing them. I soaked them in mineral spirits and also in naphtha for a day or two with unfavorable results.  Finally I put them in mineral spirits in a small pimento jar, put the lid on and shook them like crazy. The impact of the bearings banging against the sides of the jar really loosened up a lot of gunk. I repeated the process several times, each time in clean mineral spirits until no more gunk came out and the bearings spun smoothly and quietly. One of those light bulb moments for me.

Yeah, I do this in a small glass spice jar as much as an indicator of serviceability as anything.

If the fluid becomes discolored by rust, that bearing is not a good candidate for salvage.

But if the fluid just turns milky, there is a good chance of that bearing being serviceable.
~

philaroman

sometimes a tall skinny jar works better than a short wide one
(e.g., w/ nastier solvents, when you want to minimize the volume used)
capers & anchovies go well w/ pimentos ;)

kungajim

came across this the other day and was interested to hear what you reel gurus had to say about it.  a baitcaster reel with NO BEARINGS!!!!  not even in the handles.  seems like an amazing concept (no pun) if it works and lasts!!!

http://www.tackletour.com/preview13fishingconceptzreel.html
so many baits....so little time

exp2000

#95
Quote from: kungajim on February 11, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
came across this the other day and was interested to hear what you reel gurus had to say about it.  a baitcaster reel with NO BEARINGS!!!!  not even in the handles.  seems like an amazing concept (no pun) if it works and lasts!!!

http://www.tackletour.com/preview13fishingconceptzreel.html

I remember back to the time that bearings were just introduced into ABU baitcasters.

My reaction at the time was that the sintered bronze bushes worked perfectly well and the cost of replacement was only a few dollars compared to A$20 for a bearing. Great for free-spool - not so great on the wallet.

I have always viewed the use of bearings in exposed/vulnerable locations as ridiculous invitation to a roadside breakdown and their use in handles is just foolish. After all, what are we really trying to achieve here? - durable function or perpetual motion?

We have now reached an extreme where a bearing must be installed at every pivot point and in the age of bean counters where quality gives way to price point they are either weaker more vulnerable bearings or more expensive corrosion resistant bearings. They have now become sacrificial components to the free-spool gods along with that hard earned green stuff in your wallet.

Has the expensive bearing free-spool fashion trend run it's full course? A return to some sort of balance and sanity would be a welcome revolution in my books.

johndtuttle

#96
Quote from: exp2000 on February 11, 2018, 08:38:18 PM
Quote from: kungajim on February 11, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
came across this the other day and was interested to hear what you reel gurus had to say about it.  a baitcaster reel with NO BEARINGS!!!!  not even in the handles.  seems like an amazing concept (no pun) if it works and lasts!!!

http://www.tackletour.com/preview13fishingconceptzreel.html

I remember back to the time that bearings were just introduced into ABU baitcasters.

My reaction at the time was that the sintered bronze bushes worked perfectly well and the cost of replacement was only a few dollars compared to A$20 for a bearing. Great for free-spool - not so great on the wallet.

I have always viewed the use of bearings in exposed/vulnerable locations as ridiculous invitation to a roadside breakdown and their use in handles is just foolish. After all, what are we really trying to achieve here? - durable function or perpetual motion?

We have now reached an extreme where a bearings must be installed at every pivot point and in the age of bean counters where quality gives way to price point they are either weaker more vulnerable bearings or more expensive corrosion resistant bearings. They have now become sacrificial components to the free-spool gods along with that hard earned green stuff in your wallet.

Has the expensive bearing free-spool fashion trend run it's full course? A return to some sort of balance and sanity would be a welcome revolution in my books.


What is this heresy??? :P

Before you know it we will be back to Jigmasters with bushings throwing surface iron.<<<<<because that is all you actually need to catch a lot of fish.

You should be burned at the stake as an offering to the Abec7 ceramic + TSI 321 and Mag Bearing gods. :D


ps Outdoor gear makers of all stripes learned long ago that the key is not selling people what they need, but what they want.

"30#'s of drag, lightweight, 10 minutes free spool, casts 200 yards, instant ant-reverse, thinner, stronger, sexier...with bikini clad models holding it next to inflated breasticles  and 30 years younger than the guy buying it  ...."

Basically anything to make a 60yo grand-dad forget he's not 16 any more. THAT'S what they are selling.

Not that there is anything wrong with that....:D

mo65

   Well said exp2000. Bearings, bearings, bearings, it's all we hear. There are people in china getting rich manufacturing cheap bearings. That bearingless reel is a refreshing concept. We all know it should work just fine...millions of reels without bearings do! I doubt if it sells well though, as long as the buying public thinks a 15 bearing reel is what they need.8)
~YOU CAN TUNA GEETAR...BUT YOU CAN'T TUNA FEESH~


fishhawk

Btw...what is the best way to lube bushings? heat? soak? both? These are mostly bronze right?

ReelClean

Quote from: fishhawk on February 12, 2018, 02:40:28 AM
Btw...what is the best way to lube bushings? heat? soak? both? These are mostly bronze right?

That would work for sintered bronze bushes,  I believe that's how the manufacturer does it?

http://www.nationalbronze.com/pmprocess.php
Specialist Daiwa reel service, including Magseal.

oc1

Didn't we just discuss this reel and their gimmick a few weeks ago?
-steve

Tiddlerbasher


kungajim

Quote from: oc1 on February 12, 2018, 06:24:25 AM
Didn't we just discuss this reel and their gimmick a few weeks ago?
-steve

sorry.  I'm not on this site every day.  but when I saw the article, I instantly thought of you guys.  I'm still relatively new to the sport and every reel out there is trying to put another bearing somewhere...and faster retrieve speeds.
so many baits....so little time

Long Enuff

#103
As noted in this thread, and others, generally the old school Penn Senator bearings hold up well. I have been through quite a few of them and never found a bad one until recently. The first one was obvious, the bearing was very rough and full of black ooze.  No amount of cleaning and lubrication made it right, so replace. The second one, in a 113H, was a little more subtle. The free spool wasn't great and I thought there was some bearing noise.  With the bearings out, I tried the cutip, and screwdriver push and turn method, but didn't feel anything abnormal.  Could be that I haven't seen enough of these to pick up on it. By accident I did find a test that worked for me, this time at least. With the reel back together and in free spool, and while holding the reel in its normal position give the spool a spin and listen for the noise. Now turn the reel over with the tail plate facing down  towards the floor and spin it again. Did the noise change?  In this case, it was much worse with the spool weight on the tail plate bearing. Next turn the reel over 180 degrees with the handle side down and spin again. The noise went almost complete away with no weight on the tail plate bearing. Diagnosing the problem was easier than getting the bearing out of the cup.  Had to use Alan's torch method; kitchen torch worked like a champ.

Cor

#104
Quote from: exp2000 on February 11, 2018, 08:38:18 PM
Quote from: kungajim on February 11, 2018, 08:00:36 PM

"..............I have always viewed the use of bearings in exposed/vulnerable locations as ridiculous invitation to a roadside breakdown and their use in handles is just foolish. After all, what are we really trying to achieve here? - durable function or perpetual motion?............."

My first "modern" reel had only one bearing and it worked perfectly, smoothly and lasted a long time.

In the early days of bearings we used thick SAE90 gearbox oil on spool bearings, to slow them down. ???

I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments expressed by exp2000, perhaps with one exception.

Handles and bearings are a serious wear area with some reels, more so on some then others.   I used Daiwa SL50SH mainly from 1993 onwards and those handles wore out after a bit more then one seasons spin fishing.  To replace them was fairly costly in relation to the price of a new reel, so I repaired a number of them to last another year or so.
I then replaced some with handles from more expensive reels that had bearings.
Those handles lasted much longer then the stock ones and when the tiny bearings eventually gave the ghost, it was simple enough to replace them with a new bearing or bush.

Although much more expensive, the longer life of the handles made up for the cost!  Also the bearinged handles did not develop "slop" from worn handle bushes,  My experience.
Cornelis