Release SG possible antireverse problem?

nik33134 · October 28, 2016, 06:02:17 PM

Hi, I'm not reel savvy, so bear with me. I have a Release SG that's seen very little use. When I tighten the lever drag and pull line out with my hand, everything is fine. But when I push the lever drag a little more, and then pull line out with my hand, the handle starts moving backwards. After that point, pushing the lever drag even all the way, seems to not increase the resistance of the line being pulled out (I'm not holding the handle, that is). Is this the way this reel is supposed to operate? I hope I made my self clear. By the way, I can't send the reel in to get serviced since I live in Greece, and the shipping cost is prohibitive.

Jon_Kol · October 28, 2016, 07:14:18 PM

Hi!

Are you able to make the handle go backwards regardless of the lever being in Free or set towards Strike? I'm of course not talking about pulling back hard on the handle, just a light pressure to feel if something is slipping or if the AR-B is working as it should?

nik33134 · October 28, 2016, 07:48:50 PM

I tried to pull the handle backwards and it doesn't slip, either in free spool or full drag.

BTW, my reel is a left hand version.

otownjoe · October 28, 2016, 09:17:58 PM

The original release reels had problems with the anti reverse bearings. They fixed the problem by adding a dog.my Sg had the same problem right out of the box.

nik33134 · October 28, 2016, 10:44:06 PM

Hey Joe, you sure it's the anti-reverse? When I try to pull the handle backwards it doesn't slip. I also noticed that sometimes when I push the lever drag, the drag preset knob will also move one or two clicks, which is very annoying because I have to adjust it back all the time, or my drag gets too strong.

Jon_Kol · October 29, 2016, 07:40:38 AM

Quote from: nik33134 on October 28, 2016, 10:44:06 PM
Hey Joe, you sure it's the anti-reverse? When I try to pull the handle backwards it doesn't slip. I also noticed that sometimes when I push the lever drag, the drag preset knob will also move one or two clicks, which is very annoying because I have to adjust it back all the time, or my drag gets too strong.

I've never experienced anything like this with my SG.

Are you sure the pre-set knob and the brake cam assembly is correct, have you opened the reel previously? If so, could one of the mentioned parts not be installed the way they should? I can't see how the pre-set knob should be able to go up a click or two by moving the lever, unless the drag is set very hard and the force required to move the lever from Free somehow pushes sideways on the pre-set knob to an extent where the pre-set knob slips up a click.. I'm not at all sure, sounds like a puzzling case.

How much drag have you set via the pre-set knob to before you test the reel by pushing the lever towards Strike or Full?

And how much will you have to spend on shipping if you need to get the reel serviced abroad?

nik33134 · October 29, 2016, 10:27:24 AM

I am trying to recreate the "moving preset knob" problem, and I can't. When I press the lever drag forward, the preset knob turns probably half a click in the same direction, and when I pull the lever drag backwards, the preset knob returns to it's original position. I repeated the back and forth lever drag movement many times, and the preset knob seems to be stable overall. So it's possible that I was unintentionally moving it while fishing. Nonetheless the preset knob feels flimsy, like it could use a more positive feedback, like sort of a clicker.

I have never opened up the reel, other than unscrewing the preset knob to make sure there's nothing loose in there. The preset knob is set to half a turn away from maximum. The reversing handle problem while pulling line by hand happens when the lever drag is near full drag, with the spool filled to the brim. I don't have a scale to tell you the exact number in pounds.

Sending the reel out from Greece to the US will probably not be too expensive, maybe $20 max. Getting it back, I have no idea, probably the same, but unfortunately I need this reel to fish, as it's my go to jigging reel.

I heard the newer reels also have a strike position, which would be very practical for me, as I now have to rely on how tight the line feels by hand to set the lever drag.

Quote from: Jon_Kol on October 29, 2016, 07:40:38 AM

I've never experienced anything like this with my SG.

Are you sure the pre-set knob and the brake cam assembly is correct, have you opened the reel previously? If so, could one of the mentioned parts not be installed the way they should? I can't see how the pre-set knob should be able to go up a click or two by moving the lever, unless the drag is set very hard and the force required to move the lever from Free somehow pushes sideways on the pre-set knob to an extent where the pre-set knob slips up a click.. I'm not at all sure, sounds like a puzzling case.

How much drag have you set via the pre-set knob to before you test the reel by pushing the lever towards Strike or Full?

And how much will you have to spend on shipping if you need to get the reel serviced abroad?

Jon_Kol · October 29, 2016, 08:24:24 PM

Quote from: nik33134 on October 29, 2016, 10:27:24 AM
The preset knob is set to half a turn away from maximum. The reversing handle problem while pulling line by hand happens when the lever drag is near full drag, with the spool filled to the brim.

Doesn't half a turn from the maximum setting indicate a very high level of drag? From how I picture it, I would assume that just getting the lever out of Free would take some force if the pre-set knob is set so tight?

nik33134 · October 29, 2016, 10:33:46 PM

Quote from: Jon_Kol on October 29, 2016, 08:24:24 PM
Doesn't half a turn from the maximum setting indicate a very high level of drag? From how I picture it, I would assume that just getting the lever out of Free would take some force if the pre-set knob is set so tight?

No, not such a high level. Getting the lever out of free requires almost no force at all. And it any case, I have the preset knob set there (at half a turn away from max) as a reference, for testing purposes. I usually preset it at less than that.

nik33134 · November 15, 2016, 07:17:18 PM

How can I tell if my reel has a dog?

Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B · November 15, 2016, 08:40:53 PM

Quote from: nik33134 on November 15, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
How can I tell if my reel has a dog?

Truth Lever Drag?
here's page out of Truth reel's site;

http://www.truthreels.com/products/truth-reels-sg-small-game-smoke-silver

you can see the dog in the middle pic...

tight lines!

nik33134 · November 16, 2016, 10:59:45 AM

Mine is the older model without the strike button. I'll open it up for cleaning and see for my self.

nik33134 · November 20, 2016, 01:25:00 PM

I was out fishing yesterday, and found the anti-reverse to be slipping again, when under good pressure. So I guess my reel doesn't have a dog either. Now I have to see how I can stop the bearing from slipping backwards. Any ideas?

Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B · November 20, 2016, 02:00:33 PM

nik click this

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9647.15

scroll down and you will see that it(1st gen SG i think) has a dog. did you open your reel?

I read that you unscrewed the pre-set knob. When you screwed it back in was the lever in free spool?

Bryan Young · November 20, 2016, 04:18:20 PM

Quote from: nik33134 on November 20, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
I was out fishing yesterday, and found the anti-reverse to be slipping again, when under good pressure. So I guess my reel doesn't have a dog either. Now I have to see how I can stop the bearing from slipping backwards. Any ideas?

Contact Truth Reels. They may ask you to send it back and will often fix and upgrade to the newest design if the failure was a design flaw.