114h upgrades for grouper

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troutman561

#30
Quote from: handi2 on April 30, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
I've built a few for people using the Penn half frame found on the 114HL reels. The solid aluminum half frame. If you can find one of those reels on the auction site.

A Penn steel gear will work also.

The drag Insert from Motive Fab is the way to go on these reels. Nothing else beats it.

Is this the Penn frame you speak of? I like the idea of a Penn part for the frame. Am I short changing myself not getting this Tiburon Frame? This is $70

Gfish

#31
Naw, if ya see one a these, just direct me to it. Kidding. Yeah I'd jump on one like that for $70. Better than both my frame set-ups.
Gfish
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

troutman561

Well, it is on the way. Now, how the heck do incorporate it into the reel? I see no screw holes. I'm assuming it will probably make sense once I have it in hand?

RowdyW

Gfish that is the full frame. The half frame doesn't have the upper part of the frame. The newer Tiburon frames are full frames without the top bar.

RowdyW

Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Well, it is on the way. Now, how the heck do incorporate it into the reel? I see no screw holes. I'm assuming it will probably make sense once I have it in hand?
You don't use the inner rings from your plates. The holes are there but there is only 5 instead of 8. You will have to replace the outer rings with 5 hole rings.        Rudy

troutman561

#35
Quote from: RowdyW on May 02, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Well, it is on the way. Now, how the heck do incorporate it into the reel? I see no screw holes. I'm assuming it will probably make sense once I have it in hand?
You don't use the inner rings from your plates. The holes are there but there is only 5 instead of 8. You will have to replace the outer rings with 5 hole rings.        Rudy

Good to know. I will have to find a couple of those. Thanks!

Edit: Would this be what I am looking for? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-REEL-PART-2N-114-Senator-114H-Full-Half-Frame-Outer-Ring-B/302268287170?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Da72fdf61782f412a964ad73df8001c85%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D302072168402

RowdyW

#36
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on May 02, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Well, it is on the way. Now, how the heck do incorporate it into the reel? I see no screw holes. I'm assuming it will probably make sense once I have it in hand?
You don't use the inner rings from your plates. The holes are there but there is only 5 instead of 8. You will have to replace the outer rings with 5 hole rings.        Rudy

Good to know. I will have to find a couple of those. Thanks!

Edit: Would this be what I am looking for? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-REEL-PART-2N-114-Senator-114H-Full-Half-Frame-Outer-Ring-B/302268287170?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Da72fdf61782f412a964ad73df8001c85%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D302072168402
That's the one but I would offer 5-$6 each. He will usually bargain.

troutman561


RowdyW

That's the left outer, you will still need a right outer.

troutman561

Yea I didnt post that link but I did find it.

I have also found a Penn main stainless main gear. Is this just as strong as the aftermarket ones from Scott's?

Alto Mare

Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: handi2 on April 30, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
I've built a few for people using the Penn half frame found on the 114HL reels. The solid aluminum half frame. If you can find one of those reels on the auction site.

A Penn steel gear will work also.

The drag Insert from Motive Fab is the way to go on these reels. Nothing else beats it.

Is this the Penn frame you speak of? I like the idea of a Penn part for the frame. Am I short changing myself not getting this Tiburon Frame? This is $70
I don't believe so.
I'm not sure who made those for Penn, could have been Tiburon, but probably not.
In my opinion, the machining on those is much better, not that there is anything wrong with Tiburon, I just like those a little better.
Make sure the screws are well greased when mounting it to the plates.

Sal
Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.

troutman561

Quote from: Alto Mare on May 03, 2017, 12:19:39 AM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: handi2 on April 30, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
I've built a few for people using the Penn half frame found on the 114HL reels. The solid aluminum half frame. If you can find one of those reels on the auction site.

A Penn steel gear will work also.

The drag Insert from Motive Fab is the way to go on these reels. Nothing else beats it.

Is this the Penn frame you speak of? I like the idea of a Penn part for the frame. Am I short changing myself not getting this Tiburon Frame? This is $70
I don't believe so.
I'm not sure who made those for Penn, could have been Tiburon, but probably not.
In my opinion, the machining on those is much better, not that there is anything wrong with Tiburon, I just like those a little better.
Make sure the screws are well greased when mounting it to the plates.

Sal

Thanks and will do.

RowdyW

Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
Yea I didnt post that link but I did find it.

I have also found a Penn main stainless main gear. Is this just as strong as the aftermarket ones from Scott's?
The original main gear is heat treated steel not stainless. I doubt that you could ever break it. By using the Penn gear it has a lower gear ratio then the aftermarket gears which will be better for winching up a big Grouper.

troutman561

Quote from: RowdyW on May 03, 2017, 01:12:34 AM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
Yea I didnt post that link but I did find it.

I have also found a Penn main stainless main gear. Is this just as strong as the aftermarket ones from Scott's?
The original main gear is heat treated steel not stainless. I doubt that you could ever break it. By using the Penn gear it has a lower gear ratio then the aftermarket gears which will be better for winching up a big Grouper.

So the original main gear I found was for the 113h. They had the part number as the model number so that made it a bit confusing. I did find a steel Senator 115 main gear. I know the 114 and 115 share the same main gear (part number 5-115) so it would stand to reason stock the pinion will work, correct? I just wanna make sure before I order it.

RowdyW

#44
Yes, use it with the original pinion gear. The original pinion gear is stainless steel. It's a good strong setup. The 114H & 115 share the same main gear. Don't get a 114 gear as it is smaller.               Rudy