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« on: October 11, 2017, 02:56:50 PM »

So I have a penn 980 I have used for years.   Finally started to act rough and have rebuild and reassembled a couple of times.   The eccentric spring keeps falling out of the eccentric cam that applies resistance to the spool release lever after I have it assembled.   Reel works great for a short period of time but the eccentric spring will fall out after a short period of time.   Ant recommendations
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 05:34:12 PM »

i'd have to have one to look at to remember.  anybody else? 
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 05:48:21 PM »

Not easy to pinpoint without a pic.
A few things could cause the problem, my best guess is you need a new spring:
https://store.scottsbt.com/20-113H2-Spring-Eccentric-Spring-P28274.aspx
My second guess, you might have a chip where the tip of that spring rests.
My third guess, the spring that sits in the cam has probably been sanded too low

Also, make sure you have the correct eccentric cam, it's very easy to grab a different one during assembly.
Here is the correct one for that reel:

https://store.scottsbt.com/19-200-Cam-Eccentric-Cam-P12599.aspx

Good luck!

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 02:23:37 PM »

So I should have stated so in the original post.... but I ordered several new eccentric springs and a new eccentric cam from scotts.   Have had the same issue with all of them.   The potential "sanding" comment that would open up the clearance sounds interesting.  The real is back together and I am going to use next week at Cape Lookout NC with a very sloppy spool release lever.   Ever heard of anyone glueing a thin shim plate to the the interior of the reel side plate to take up the clearance that allows the spring to fall out.   Sounds like the most promising option
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 02:27:44 PM »

Can you put a washer on the outside of the plate under the eccentric screw?  That might snug it enough. You can get a teflon at Home Depot. 
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 02:59:02 PM »

I have attached a photo of the arrangement of the eccentric spring.   The spring turns up 90 degrees through a small hole in the brass eccentric cam.   The spring will fall out of this hole


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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 03:40:49 PM »

Can't see the back but trying screwing the lever into proper position with spring out of notch then put in with needlenose into its groove.  May just need to bend spring a bit. Had this happen last week.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 05:01:33 PM »

When you tighten that eccentric nut on the other side, there should be no way for it to fall out.
Clearance on the inside of the plate doesn't allow this.
Do what thor said and put the spring in the hole of the eccentric, but don't put the other end into its fixed position until you have the lever and nut tightened on the outside.
Then use a small screwdriver to pry it up and grab it with a pair of needle nose to put the other end in position.
From looking at your picture, there in not enough tension on the spring.
The eccentric position should not let it move that far. Yours is straight down.
There is a small flat portion on the underside that keeps that spring from moving outside its range.
I think it is out of range when you tighten it up, leaving a gap for it to fall out of.
This pic is of a Bigger Senator, but the principle is the same on Penn Star Drags. See the bend on that spring?
It is in the notch and can't come out.
It is either that, or your plate is damaged letting it move out of range.
In my picture, that is as far as that spring can move on the eccentric.
Please let us know if you figure it out.
The only other diagnosis is a picture of your plate without the eccentric installed.


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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 05:15:36 PM »

not sure if this will help or not.  right now, the "tag" end of the spring that inserts into the cam is bent at a 90 degree angle.  maybe open up that angle to 100 degrees and see if it helps.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 05:44:22 PM »

Just a wild guess and worth mentioning.
Do you have the correct 21-200 eccentric lever?
A longer lever will cause the spring to bend  when forced into gear.

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 11:38:54 PM »

I agree with Daron.  It can't fall out if the spring is sitting in the notch cut-out of the side plate.  If it is outside the notch the spring is pinched between eccentric and side plate.  The screw cannot be fully tightened, although it may feel tight at first.  Try putting the lever in the middle (neither off nor on) when you tighten down the screw.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2017, 02:51:50 AM »

On smaller reels as these, the eccentric spring where it sits in the cam could be too long and making contact with the jack.
Check your jack and see if there are any marks on it, as this one...sorry pics are out of focus, but you shoud still be able to get an idea.

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Here is the spring being too long


just gring it down and problem solved


your reel should look as this one when everything fits in as it should


You might notice a chopstick on my bench, I use it to set the eccentric spring in place, after the eccentric has been screwed in.
Works like a charm all the time and minimizes problems with chipping the plate, or bending the spring.

By the way, great job on the grinding on that plate, I had to look twice, I thought it was one of mine Smiley.

Don't give up on these, with the exception of the screws cracking your plates when  ot careful, you will not find a better reel in its size.
Do not use power drivers on these if you don't have to.

Sal
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2017, 03:32:22 AM »

Sal is the Expert on these reels. He probably has more of them than anyone else in the free world.
I say he is spot on with your issue. After looking at the plate on Scott's website, I can see why the spring end is at 90 degrees.
That plate is a little different than a regular Senator.
Please keep us posted on your solution,
Daron


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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2017, 08:53:14 AM »

Another great thread.  I have a 980 with a very similar issue that I have not opened up yet.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2017, 03:23:52 PM »

I sure regret selling all of mine. I always liked them but rarely used them. I bought them in the 80’s.
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