alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial 109 Reel rebuild guide issue
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« on: February 03, 2018, 08:40:41 PM »

Finally completed a Penn 109,complete disassembly. Only issue I'm having is the line guide is getting hung up on the right side,when i loosen the Lt side bearing the guide moves freely as it should, but there is so much wiggle with the worm and the left.side worm.bearing is  protruding out so far(see photo)  off from the reel, just doesn't seem righ or is it?(tried 3 different pawls,line guide is new,used orginal worm after good cleaning ) I attached some photos of the reel.. I also included a photo of the even before it's overhaul

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2018, 09:21:08 PM »

Eddie —

Sometimes the worm isn’t seating within the spring bearing adjuster properly — or on either side.

But you need a new worm.

That is why it hangs up on one side.

Check your email — and we will get you squared away.

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2018, 06:10:51 AM »

Installed  new worm, the guide still gets hung up in the right side  Undecided. I have made sure the worm is sitting where it should. I guess the worm is meant to be  adjusted that loosely. So frustrsting!!!! Will never touch a 109 again!!
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2018, 06:19:30 AM »

You should have a very small amount of thrust (side to side movement), too much and you wear out bearings and the worm shaft.  Clean out the track in the worm and replace the pawl.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2018, 07:52:42 AM »

Yeah, I rebuilt a 109 recently and spent alot of time adjusting the pawl & line guide/worm & bearing system. I gave up when I got it to function with about 1mm clearence on the tail plate side and just a slight "bump" on the head plate side, that didn't seem to impair reeling function.

The build quality of these, is typical Penn - solid & functional IMO, but not the best for me with no free spool, only the anti-reverse function that leaves it as a knuckle buster. So, I won't continue to play around with it, as long as it works.
Yours came out real nice lookin😮, and probably deserves some TLC to get it workin right.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2018, 08:10:33 AM »

My guess is this: The line guide for the 9 and 109 are not exactly the same. They look **almost** the same, and you can install either in a 109 (or 9) but the line guide will get hung up on one side if you have the wrong line guide.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2018, 08:48:46 AM »

I never owned a 109 but have the 9, 209, and 309.  Those pawls, worm gears, and level winds can be a pain.  I usually assemble the line guide, pawl, pawl cover, and worm gear outside the reel first and give it a trial run to see if everything is ok.  Sometimes the worm shield may be slightly bent and cause problems.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2018, 09:27:17 AM »

   I have a tip here...and I don't know if it is "accepted practice"...but it works. I've had many of these levelwind guides get hung up on one side or the other. You check everything and can't seem to get it right. I looked at that top post, the slotted one, and wondered if I rolled it back and forth, could I find a sweet spot that helped the worm stay on track? Absolutely! Now don't move it too far, one direction will let the line guide fall out of the top post's groove. The other direction will put tension on the line guide if moved too far. Just tweak it. Most times just snugging up the fitment here will do it, although I had one once that was too tight already and causing the trouble. Just noodle around with it. It's easy to do...requires no disassembly! Cool
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2018, 08:19:48 AM »

My guess is this: The line guide for the 9 and 109 are not exactly the same. They look **almost** the same, and you can install either in a 109 (or 9) but the line guide will get hung up on one side if you have the wrong line guide.


I think you guessed right!!! I ordered a 109 line assembly!!! fingers crossed..should arrive midweek will keep you posted!!
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2018, 09:13:53 AM »

   I have a tip here...and I don't know if it is "accepted practice"...but it works. I've had many of these levelwind guides get hung up on one side or the other. You check everything and can't seem to get it right. I looked at that top post, the slotted one, and wondered if I rolled it back and forth, could I find a sweet spot that helped the worm stay on track? Absolutely! Now don't move it too far, one direction will let the line guide fall out of the top post's groove. The other direction will put tension on the line guide if moved too far. Just tweak it. Most times just snugging up the fitment here will do it, although I had one once that was too tight already and causing the trouble. Just noodle around with it. It's easy to do...requires no disassembly! Cool


I have about 53 total 9's, 209, 210, 10, 309's as best i can recollect. If that's not "accepted practice", by me i don't know what is. Sometimes that all it takes to get freespool.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2018, 11:20:53 AM »

   I have a tip here...and I don't know if it is "accepted practice"...but it works. I've had many of these levelwind guides get hung up on one side or the other. You check everything and can't seem to get it right. I looked at that top post, the slotted one, and wondered if I rolled it back and forth, could I find a sweet spot that helped the worm stay on track? Absolutely! Now don't move it too far, one direction will let the line guide fall out of the top post's groove. The other direction will put tension on the line guide if moved too far. Just tweak it. Most times just snugging up the fitment here will do it, although I had one once that was too tight already and causing the trouble. Just noodle around with it. It's easy to do...requires no disassembly! Cool

That's a great tip.  Thanks.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2018, 11:41:24 AM »

   I have a tip here...and I don't know if it is "accepted practice"...but it works. I've had many of these levelwind guides get hung up on one side or the other. You check everything and can't seem to get it right. I looked at that top post, the slotted one, and wondered if I rolled it back and forth, could I find a sweet spot that helped the worm stay on track? Absolutely! Now don't move it too far, one direction will let the line guide fall out of the top post's groove. The other direction will put tension on the line guide if moved too far. Just tweak it. Most times just snugging up the fitment here will do it, although I had one once that was too tight already and causing the trouble. Just noodle around with it. It's easy to do...requires no disassembly! Cool

Yes Mike  your are 100% correct with  this approach as i have worked on 4 penn 9 reels this year and this approach did the trick!! But it did not work with the 109 reel, I spent countless hours trying to figure this out with no success.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2018, 01:32:18 PM »

Hope you get it with the new line guide assembly, keep us posted.
According to an old post I remember by So-Cal, lots a saltwater guys'll remove the levelwind system on their favorite reels 'cause they can be so troublesome. I'd assume it has to do load stress dammage and having this type of gear system exposed to debris build-up and needing lots a maintenance attention.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2018, 04:39:17 PM »

Eddie did I ever send you those parts??

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2018, 01:50:14 PM »

   I have a tip here...and I don't know if it is "accepted practice"...but it works. I've had many of these levelwind guides get hung up on one side or the other. You check everything and can't seem to get it right. I looked at that top post, the slotted one, and wondered if I rolled it back and forth, could I find a sweet spot that helped the worm stay on track? Absolutely! Now don't move it too far, one direction will let the line guide fall out of the top post's groove. The other direction will put tension on the line guide if moved too far. Just tweak it. Most times just snugging up the fitment here will do it, although I had one once that was too tight already and causing the trouble. Just noodle around with it. It's easy to do...requires no disassembly! Cool

Came across the same issue. First thing I check now.
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