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« Reply #435 on: August 07, 2017, 05:04:01 AM »

ARBs - some oils and greases can make them slip.

I hear lots of members talking about anti-reverse slipping with grease.   This applies to dogs also?   Does "slipping" mean that the anti-reverse is mechanically engaged, but becomes disengaged because of the grease?   Trying to visualize this...
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« Reply #436 on: August 07, 2017, 05:21:23 AM »

With the silent Abu type dogs they sometimes can get hung-up if too much grease is used - I use just a light smear and don't get problems.
Never had a problem with spring operated dogs. If that helps clarify what I meant - Chris.
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« Reply #437 on: August 07, 2017, 08:18:51 PM »

Too much grease in the dog area will lead to problems, keeping the dog from mechanically engaging.
It sticks to the plate or other mating surface it is riding on or against.
The Anti reverse bearings are another issue. They don't like a lot of lube. They need very small amounts of lubrication to keep them working properly.
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« Reply #438 on: August 08, 2017, 05:12:09 AM »

Roller brngs in the ARB have to be loose and a bit sloppy to work. Grease can prevent them from moving in the race and binding which engages the arb function
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« Reply #439 on: August 08, 2017, 07:10:15 AM »

Roller brngs in the ARB have to be loose and a bit sloppy to work. Grease can prevent them from moving in the race and binding which engages the arb function

Personally, I would take strong, reliable, mechanical Dogs over ARB, all day, any day . . . I don't care if it's not "instant anti-reverse" or isn't "silent" !
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« Reply #440 on: August 08, 2017, 07:40:05 AM »

Roller brngs in the ARB have to be loose and a bit sloppy to work. Grease can prevent them from moving in the race and binding which engages the arb function

Thanks, Larry.  I get it now.
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« Reply #441 on: August 08, 2017, 09:27:07 AM »

Roller brngs in the ARB have to be loose and a bit sloppy to work. Grease can prevent them from moving in the race and binding which engages the arb function

This IS true in particularly cold scenarios but for normal fishing conditions lighter greases are ideal for corrosion protection for clutches in saltwater applications depending on the make (never lube any Shimano spinning reel clutch).

Penn Grease works perfectly fine in other ARB (light) as long as temps don't get too close to freezing.

Accurate has long used Cal's cut with a little corrosion-x in their's.

I would never use grease to lube the clutch in a dedicated freshwater reel (in my neck of the woods that generally means high altitude and cold in spring and fall). A little Corrosion-x is more than fine as corrosion in freshwater is of minimal concern.

But in the salt, your favorite flavor maybe thinned a bit with oil is ideal, imo. Clutches get destroyed in one trip in the salt if not protected, if it gets wet and is not serviced for some time afterwards.

What you are really trying to protect is the **clutch sleeve** as they are typically some soft carbon steel with chrome plating and are the typical source of the origin of trouble. Be sure to lube it inside (where it is keyed to the shaft) and out (where it will have contact with the clutch rollers).

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« Reply #442 on: August 08, 2017, 12:33:34 PM »

I recently disassembled a friend's Shimano Sahara spinning reel to replace some parts, clean & lube it and the roller clutch assembly unit had "Do Not Oil" printed on it, so I didn't. He only uses it for freshwater so I didn't think further about it.
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