alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial trinidad/torium dog spring upgrade
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« on: August 22, 2009, 08:12:32 PM »

my complaint about the shimano trinidad and torium reels has always been the drag system and the anti-reverse system.  well, the carbontex drag washers from smoothdrag.com and cal's grease totally fixed the drag problem.  the anti-reverse roller bearing and ambassaduer-style pawl (dog), however, still posed a risk of failure and personal injury.  if i was going to fix that, i would use a stack of two anti-reverse roller bearings in line and add a spring for the pawl.  well, i actually found that in a shimano reel.  this is a little embarassing, but i never had a clue.  the guys on bloody decks had mention this before, but i guess i must be working on the poor side of town.  the incredibly expensive shimano trinidad 20 DC had never crossed my bench until recently.  look what i found!



that's right, the shimano trinidad 20 DC has greased carbon fiber drag washers.  but there's more.  it also has a spring loaded pawl.  



and finally, it has a double height anti-reverse roller bearing and inner tube!



well, with this inspiration (and a dog send to me by a guy on bloodydecks!), i finally decided to try in on a torium.  here is the trinidad dc pawl spring.



here is the ambassaduer-style pawl that comes stock with the torium (and the standard trinidads).



you can see already how the pawl is damaged.  the anti-reverse roller bearing in this reel is totally shot, so the pawl is doing all of the work.  



the ambassaduer-style spring actually peels off fairly easily.  then you can use a standard mill bastard file to clean up all of the burrs.





lay the spring flat.



now here's the tricky part.  there is a little bit of a gap underneath the pawl that allows your new dog spring to get stuck.  to avoid this, i added a shimano washer that i pulled out of my junk box and used this washer to shim the pawl.  now the spring will not get stuck.



ok, now this washer is critical.  without it, the pawl spring gets caught underneath the pawl and the pawl gets jammed in the "up and away" position.  that means it won't work at all.  i THINK that this washer is from the shimano tld 15.  it should be spacer A, part #TLD 0047.  i have to check the next TLD that comes in to make sure.  i did not think to use the trinidad dc pawl that i already had. i will have to try that on the next reel.




install the pawl.



install the anti-reverse pawl keeper.



install the anti-reverse ratchet and your new spring loaded dog system is complete!



so there you have it, your clicking torium. the trinidad DC pawl and pawl spring is a drop in fix for the regular Trinidads and Toriums. part #s 1304 spring, and 1303 pawl.  no washer is required. 
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2009, 11:18:56 AM »

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Hi Alan, thank you for all your usefull information, the torium has been known to have some anti reverse problems, and you have said yourself that the dog style is the weak point of the reel... i saw the post of the modification to the reverse pawl, its now spring loaded, will this sort out the anti reverse issue? is it now more reliable? another question is the pawl not going to wear now that it is slapping or bouncing on the reverse teeth? or are the teeth going to wear? are they both strong enough to handle this upgrade? thanks for all your helpfull tips,

with all the banging around, there is a possibility that the wear on the dog may actually be less.  with the ambassaduer style springs. the ratchet gear has to "back up" before it comes in contact with dog.  with the spring, the "back up" distance may be a little less.  it might result in less damage to the dog.  who knows.  either way, it's gotta be better than what we've got now!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 08:01:15 PM »

the trinidad DC pawl and pawl spring is a drop in fix for the regular Trinidads and Toriums. part #s 1304 spring, and 1303 pawl.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 01:48:46 PM »

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/fishing-reels/238275-trinidad-problem.html

Quote from: FlyinFishOTI;1828128
Not a big deal...


 
The pawl basically gets mashed down slightly by the one way gear (that sits under the main shaft) and basically doesn't catch anymore.
 
For 180 bucks (Torium), use it til you lose it and then just drop it off at Shimano in Irvine on the drive from SD to LA and they'll ship it back to you pretty quick all fixed up.
 
Or try a Saltist, but I think my TOs/TNs crank better and have better drag...
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2010, 09:57:59 AM »

Hi Alan,

Hope you are well. Just a quick update on clicking Toriums. I placed the the drag clickspring behind the anti-reverse pawl on my toriums in a similar fashion to your plan of fitting the Trini DC pawl. Well after a couple of months it seems like the anti-reverse gear is eating away at the pawl. It is not the usual damage that occurs when the anti-reverse bearing fails, you can see the gear slowly rubbing a groove in the pawl. Obviously the standard Torium/Trini pawl is not hard enough to handle the constant friction of the anti-reverse gear. You sometimes wonder what they were thinking when designing this system. On the older reels it was such a simple, robust system that hardly ever gave trouble. Just the whole design on it is so bad, the pawl and gear design are just bad, it never engages snugly, spring or no spring.

Hopefully they have sorted this on the new Trini A. I see the drags are now "Dartanium II" aka woven carbonfibre. Not that I will purchase one in the near future, they are a bit pricey.

Regards,
Leon
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