Penn 113HLW Grinding when switching to freespool

[westcoasttuna]

I recently changed out the drags on the reel and now that I switch to free spool and back there is some unusual grinding. Im 90% sure I put all of the metal washers and tension spring washer back on right but it does not feel "normal". Anyone experience this problem before?

[ChileRelleno]

Can you specify where/when are you 'feeling' this grinding?

When switching between freespool & in-gear, like it perhaps its something with the eccentric jack/yoke?
Did you match the proper bridge screws (smooth) with the clutch springs?

Or is it felt with the spool spinning or turning the handle?

[Tightlines667]

I just finished servicing a reel that had a bent and badly burred/corroded jack and yoke.  It was stuck in gear, after sitting idle for years.  I was surprised that a pinion frozen to the spool shaft was not the culprit here.  A little filling/beburring and reshaping, then a through clean and regrease and she was shifting like new. 

I would recommend checking to ensure it is shifting smoothly, and also check the drive shaft/bridge assembly to ensure there is no lateral or side-to-side play in the gear sleeve.  Sometimes a loose bridge will lead to rough/grinding when turning the handle (ESP. When the handle is near the down stroke/furthest away).  The other possibility is the jack/yoke assembly is stuck or burred, or the pinion is not properly engaging seating on the spool when in gear.  Excessively worn/damaged main and/or pinion gear will also cause roughness.  A cracked/fractured main gear tooth will 'bump' once per handle revolution, while the same problem in a pinion gear will occur more then once per revolution (proportional to the gear ratio). 

Define your problem and work backwards from there.  Pictures would help too.

[alantani]

is it the lever that grinds?

[Alto Mare]

Sounds like an assembly issue to me, take it down and try again. Using an o-ring or screw thread protector on top of your spacer sleeve will help keep everything in place during assembly.

[westcoasttuna]

Can you specify where/when are you 'feeling' this grinding?

When switching between freespool & in-gear, like it perhaps its something with the eccentric jack/yoke?
Did you match the proper bridge screws (smooth) with the clutch springs?

Or is it felt with the spool spinning or turning the handle?

It feels like the pinion is hitting something right when i pull the lever back and the eccentric jack is being pushed towards the pinion and gear.
The handle and spool spin good. I just checked the bridge screws and they were in the right places.

[westcoasttuna]

is it the lever that grinds?

The lever itself does not grind, the grinding or crunching sounds like it is coming from the pinion and the main gear area when i go from free spool and back.

[johndtuttle]

As above make sure the Pinion slides on the spool shaft perfectly smoothly and that the eccentric jack has complete freedom of travel.

[Alto Mare]

is it the lever that grinds?

The lever itself does not grind, the grinding or crunching sounds like it is coming from the pinion and the main gear area when i go from free spool and back.

You didn't mention you had that problem prior to replacing the drags. Replacing the drags doesn't hurt the gears or anything else. Take that reel apart and put it back together, I'm guessing something went out of place when you assembled it.

[handi2]

For me it is usually the yoke and pinion gear..

[westcoasttuna]

is it the lever that grinds?

The lever itself does not grind, the grinding or crunching sounds like it is coming from the pinion and the main gear area when i go from free spool and back.

You didn't mention you had that problem prior to replacing the drags. Replacing the drags doesn't hurt the gears or anything else. Take that reel apart and put it back together, I'm guessing something went out of place when you assembled it.

I didnt have a problem with the drags, they were just old and I also threw in a stainless dog. Does it matter where the thickest metal drag washer goes the set? I have it on top of the last fiber washer under the tension spring washer.

[westcoasttuna]

I will see if I have time to take pictures later today of what I have going on here, drag stack, and whatever else I can that shows how I have it assembled.

[westcoasttuna]

Here are some pictures of my drag stack and inside of the reel. Does that look right?

[alantani]

everything appears to be in order.....   

[westcoasttuna]

Got it working, I think it was those dam bridge screws. Thanks for all the help and input guys, much appreciated.