the new daiwa saltist bg series

alantani · November 04, 2010, 09:29:59 PM

Quote from: DreamCatcher14Alan, I know you keep up with and have lots experience with reels. Have you heard much about the new Saltist BG series reels? Any problems or issues with them? Thanks, Jason

wow, jason! i didn't think that anyone would ever ask! daiwa has been quietly changing their drag washers over to grease carbon fiber. their bearings are still shielded and will still corrode, but you will at least never have to mess with the drag washers. they are definitely on the right track. i just wish they would come up with a spring loaded dog to back up their anti-reverse roller bearing. until then, i really can't recommend the reel. sorry. alan

MrRoundel · May 03, 2025, 12:57:19 AM

I know this is a very old thread, but it was short, so I figured I'd add a follow up question, being as I just bought this reel.

Has Daiwa improved on their anti-reverse design since this 2010 post? I looked at my schematic and there may be a spring incorporated into the pawl, but I don't see a separate spring part number, FWIW. Cheers.

Swami805 · May 03, 2025, 02:46:59 AM

Well it has a dog so that's good. Could be it uses a abu style dog that has ears instead of a spring

MarkT · May 03, 2025, 02:57:01 AM

Looks like an abu-style dog per the schematic. Accurate dropped the Dauntless series that had an ARB and dogs. They felt that if the ARB fails the dogs will be toast too.

MrRoundel · May 03, 2025, 03:51:49 AM

I took another look at the schematic, and I seem to recall a similar pawl setup on my old Daiwa Sealine 30H. The pawl had springy "arms" that grasped from the pawl to the AR gear to keep the pawl meshed at the right elevation, relative to the gear teeth. So maybe the suspicion of possible change is wrong.

Apologies for double image post.

boon · May 04, 2025, 10:10:19 AM

Quote from: MrRoundel on May 03, 2025, 12:57:19 AMI know this is a very old thread, but it was short, so I figured I'd add a follow up question, being as I just bought this reel.

Has Daiwa improved on their anti-reverse design since this 2010 post? I looked at my schematic and there may be a spring incorporated into the pawl, but I don't see a separate spring part number, FWIW. Cheers.

Hokay, so. A bit of history is useful here.
When braid came along, all of a sudden anglers could fit a useful length of much stronger line onto a considerably smaller reel. Where previously to have say 500 yards of 50lb, you would need a relatively large reel like a 114, you could now fit this on a reel like a Shimano Torium 20. So people did, and then went and asked the Toriums (and the original star drag Saltists, often) to fish like they were a 114, and then the anti-reverses would fail.

Nowadays, there are plenty of small reels that are built with braid in mind and can reliably output relatively high drag numbers without having issues with the anti-reverse.

The anti-reverse on reels like the Daiwa Saltist BG is perfectly adequate for the type of fishing they are made for. If your anti-reverse is going backwards, it's either a maintenance problem or you're fishing the reel beyond it's intended use, broadly speaking.

MrRoundel · May 04, 2025, 04:04:18 PM

Thanks, boon. That makes sense. Is it possible that some reel manufacturers are over-building their anti-reverse system, or others under-building? Does this all come down to price point across all makers?

I'm not seeing, or remembering what it is that Daiwa uses to keep the dog engaged with the AR gear. If not spring tension, what?

As far as what I'll be using the Saltist for, is a Channel Islands trip this Thursday. I'm hoping for a WSB, of course, and perhaps a few halibut and YT.

It's slightly disappointing that there's a limit of a single WSB right now, but I appreciate the thought behind the conservation. I guess I'll have to book another ride out in June, once the limit is raised to three, IIRC. Thanks again. Cheers.

jurelometer · May 04, 2025, 06:05:50 PM

Quote from: MrRoundel on May 04, 2025, 04:04:18 PMI'm not seeing, or remembering what it is that Daiwa uses to keep the dog engaged with the AR gear. If not spring tension, what?

This is a silent dog design. Those flat ears are leaf springs that grip the ratchet, pulling the dog inward as the ratchet rotates.

Silent dogs rely on light leaf tension gripping both sides. Too much grease, old grease getting sticky, bending a leaf a bit during assembly, etc., can all lead to failure, so they are a bit less reliable and fussier to maintain. Once fully engaged, a silent dog will hold as well as a classic sprung dog. The upside to a silent dog is no clicking noise.

-J

boon · May 05, 2025, 02:05:06 AM

Quote from: MrRoundel on May 04, 2025, 04:04:18 PMThanks, boon. That makes sense. Is it possible that some reel manufacturers are over-building their anti-reverse system, or others under-building? Does this all come down to price point across all makers?

I'm not seeing, or remembering what it is that Daiwa uses to keep the dog engaged with the AR gear. If not spring tension, what?

As far as what I'll be using the Saltist for, is a Channel Islands trip this Thursday. I'm hoping for a WSB, of course, and perhaps a few halibut and YT. It's slightly disappointing that there's a limit of a single WSB right now, but I appreciate the thought behind the conservation. I guess I'll have to book another ride out in June, once the limit is raised to three, IIRC. Thanks again. Cheers.

I can't cite a reel off the top of my head where I thought the anti-reverse was under-spec. The original Torium is probably the best example; even out of the box they had a very "soft" infinite anti-reverse bearing, and were known for going backwards when pushed hard. Equally I don't know if there are a lot of reels where I would say the anti-reverse is over-spec, more like the reels are just suitable for a larger range of operating conditions. Some of the small lever drag jigging reels on the market have large, strong AR bearings (in some cases more than one!) but they are routinely asked to produce a lot of drag for their size so it is appropriate.

As you touched on, all things come with cost. Some anglers ask a lot of their equipment, and some try to ask a lot of cheaper equipment, and this carries an increased risk of going beyond the capabilities.

MrRoundel · May 05, 2025, 03:26:46 AM

Quote from: jurelometer on May 04, 2025, 06:05:50 PMThis is a silent dog design. Those flat ears are leaf springs that grip the ratchet, pulling the dog inward as the ratchet rotates.

Silent dogs rely on light leaf tension gripping both sides. Too much grease, old grease getting sticky, bending a leaf a bit during assembly, etc., can all lead to failure, so they are a bit less reliable and fussier to maintain. Once fully engaged, a silent dog will hold as well as a classic sprung dog. The upside to a silent dog is no clicking noise.

-J

I am one who has a great appreciation for quiet. Maybe that helped draw me to this reel?

Still, intuitively it seems that a spring would be a better idea. Then again, I have never had an issue with my Daiwa Sealine 30, nor my fresh water Daiwa Millionaires that I fished in the eighties. But with all honesty, the Sealine may only have been fished a dozen times since new. The Millionaires were fished a lot more than that. I think I remember them having that same dog setup. Thanks again, gents.