Old Penn 114H Side ring issues.

[Captain Kevin]

I am refurbishing 2 very old 114H's. The new side rings are not fitting properly over the old side plates. I have heated up the rings and frozen the side plates trying to get them to work however had no success. The shop I  purchased the rings from verified that I purchased the correct parts but could not offer any other suggestions other than the above. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[Dominick]

I'm afraid that the side plates have swollen over time.  It is a common occurrence with those old side plates.  You now have to dremel very lightly around the plates or use fine sandpaper until the rings fit.  It usually does not take much.  The heating and freezing trick does work when they are close.  Let us know how you make out.  Dominick

[thorhammer]

What he said. don't force it or you will be buying rings.

[foakes]

Dremel works very good -- but I just take a file 2 or 3 orbits around the plate.

Doesn't take much -- just a few thousands.

Nothing shows after rings are installed.

Welcome!

Best,

Fred

[Superhook]

I've been told in the past , by the Penn Guru  that there is a small difference in plate size between the early and later Senator side plates and the later rings do not fit without work.

[Alto Mare]

I've been told in the past , by the Penn Guru  that there is a small difference in plate size between the early and later Senator side plates and the later rings do not fit without work.

Yup! I have a few here that are brand new and won't work with the newer rings.
From my parts the ones that show the most are the 113 ( black 4/0) plates.
I have yet to see a swollen plate, but heard they do exist.

[Bill B]

Use the file technique, as Fred stated two to three revolutions at the outside and the raised inside should do it...don't force it as stated or new rings will be coming in the mail.....let us know how it goes.....Bill

[Tiddlerbasher]

I had a 114H with the same problem - Old plates and new rings.
I found a suitable sized bolt with nuts and washers (can't remember the size ) to fit the bearing cap hole.
Mount in a drill/drill stand/lathe. Spin up and file/sand away. I tend to mainly use Abratech for jobs like this.
It holds the dust and can be vacuumed afterwards 

[Alto Mare]

I had a 114H with the same problem - Old plates and new rings.
I found a suitable sized bolt with nuts and washers (can't remember the size ) to fit the bearing cap hole.
Mount in a drill/drill stand/lathe. Spin up and file/sand away. I tend to mainly use Abratech for jobs like this.
It holds the dust and can be vacuumed afterwards 

Excellent tip, I could see that working nicely. I would probably use a rubber washer, along with a metal washer.
Thanks for the idea, it's always there, but at times we don't see it.

Sal

[Captain Kevin]

Thanks everyone! I will try the file first. I also like the drill idea.  Don't think I'm steady enough with the dremel to avoid taking too much off. I'll let you know how it went.

[handi2]

It has been stated already but now that I have internet service again I'll post away.

I use the little round Dremel sanding tool. I go around the inside first until the ring fits easily. Then I do the outside until it fits easily. I don't like them to be tight and forced on.

Keith

[cbar45]

Method is similar to Tiddlerbasher's.

I wrap sandpaper aound the spatula and press it against the sideplate.

Takes about two minutes.



chad

[mizmo67]

See...I knew they'd have some filing techniques!

Thanks for helping him, guys. I wasn't sure the safest way to attack it if the heat/ice failed and I didn't want his plates damaged.