Installing Ultimate Upgrade 5+ on G440T, is this under gear washer correct?

MarkT · June 01, 2019, 04:09:17 AM

Bryan's washers are thinner which is why you have more washers with his kit. You need a standard washer to fill the gap under the gear... but I bet a delrin would be great there!

Recoil Rob · June 01, 2019, 04:24:35 AM

Yes, but please, someone tell me.....

Where does the smaller CF washer go?

Bryan Young · June 01, 2019, 04:26:16 AM

Your reel has a stock 4-stack drag kit. You actually needed a 6-stack drag kit. The small drag washer is intended to go the main gear in all other Newell reels that do not have the 4-stack drag system. I hope this helps. A full under gear drag washer will be sent to you to complete your 6-stack drag system tomorrow.

Sorry for your troubles.

Bryan

Bryan Young · June 01, 2019, 04:31:24 AM

Oh, I just saw your picture. You have an extra drag washer for some reason. Put it in your parts box.

Please use the thicker Carbontex drag washer for your under gear drag washer. You should have 5 Carbontex washers that are 0.5 mm thick and one that is 0.76 mm thick.

Therefore, I will not be sending out an extra 0.76 mm under gear drag washer.

Recoil Rob · June 01, 2019, 04:38:48 AM

OK, for anyone looking at this in the future, I just spoke with Bryan and in the photo above, the small washer at the bottom of the row of CF's is not a CF, it's a belleville.

Bryan Young · June 01, 2019, 04:59:10 AM

Thanks for calling me. I think I understand. I'll mail you the under gear washer tomorrow. Have a pleasant night/morning.

reel man · June 02, 2019, 01:09:37 AM

In your reel you would not use the small washer

Swami805 · June 02, 2019, 01:52:45 AM

Sort of a related question: Is there a way to tell if an early G has a 4 stack without opening it? The ones with the stainless levers and clicker buttons or the red badge ones?

Recoil Rob · June 02, 2019, 05:17:42 AM

Mine has a red stripe on the handle, nothing else.

Bryan Young · June 02, 2019, 07:11:52 AM

Honestly I don't think one can tell until you open it. Just like knowing if your reel has a double dog bridge.

Newell Nut · June 02, 2019, 09:56:44 AM

Quote from: Bryan Young on June 02, 2019, 07:11:52 AM
Honestly I don't think one can tell until you open it. Just like knowing if your reel has a double dog bridge.

There is one way. All of the 4 stack systems that I have ever seen have a SS gear sleeve. So, you could remove the handle nut and handle to get a good look at the end of the gear sleeve. SS would be 4 stack and bronze would be 3 stack. Of course I am referring to factory original parts. A lot of us have recently installed Cortez conversion SS sleeves.

Dwight

Recoil Rob · June 05, 2019, 05:26:50 AM

And to finish up...
Thanks to Bryan for sending the correct under gear washer. I installed everything according to the directions in the kit, lubed it up with Cal's grease, put it back together and... no drag.

My other two Newells have a spacer collar that transfers force from the back of the star to the top of the stack. This factory bastardized reel has a brass collar as one piece with the back of the star. In any case the actual star itself was bottoming out on the sideplate before compressing the stack. It took some trial and error but what I ended up doing was taking one of the original, thick steel keyed washers and putting it on top of the last new, thin keyed washer, on the top of the stack and under the new belleville. This raised the height of the stack enough for me to get full drag capability.

Will be taking it tuna fishing on Sunday off Long Island, will report back.

Thanks to all, especially Bryan and Ken.

Bryan Young · June 05, 2019, 05:38:57 AM

Glad you got it working for tuna fishing. With all custom parts it will take a little adjustment due to the variability in stock parts. Even the slightest, as you found out, can have have great affects on the drag system.

Recoil Rob · June 05, 2019, 05:43:50 AM

Yes, I'm getting more comfortable swapping parts out now. The amount of drag I can get from this reel is quite an upgrade, have to make sure the rest of the reel can handle it.

Thanks again.

Rob

enfish · June 05, 2019, 05:52:00 AM

Quote from: Swami805 on June 02, 2019, 01:52:45 AM
Sort of a related question: Is there a way to tell if an early G has a 4 stack without opening it? The ones with the stainless levers and clicker buttons or the red badge ones?

I've got red label and black label G-series with stainless levers and none of them are 4-stacks. Carl liked to tinker and make design changes, so it doesn't surprise me that there are a few G-series out there built up with leftover P-series 4 stacks.