Sc Knot

Started by MexicanGulf, October 25, 2024, 05:51:32 PM

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MexicanGulf

Personally I always use the Pr Knot to connect Braid to the leader, but sometimes I have to redo the connection on the boat. In this situation I prefer to do a SC knot which is unbeatable for me in terms of speed and ease of execution!!!

Has anyone tested this node on the Dynamometer?


MexicanGulf

Does anyone know him?

jurelometer

He is the marketing guy for Accurate Reels.

-J

Bill B

In a pinch on a boat, uni to uni for me.  Bill
It may not be very productive,
but it's sure going to be interesting!

MexicanGulf

Quote from: jurelometer on October 27, 2024, 04:40:29 PMHe is the marketing guy for Accurate Reels.

-J

I don't know it, but the knot is quite well known by everyone. I would like to know if anyone has tested it with a dynamometer

JasonGotaProblem

Debated sharing my thoughts because it sounds dismissive and I don't want to discourage new ideas. With that said: Watching the video my reaction was

"Oh this looks simpler than a PR knot."
"Wait there's more steps."
"Oh there's even more steps"
"Wow this just keeps going"
"Holy crap there's 78 steps in tying this knot"

I didn't even finish the video. I didn't even get to the part with a lighter. I struggle to see how anything that involved is an improvement in terms of ease. So it better be a massive improvement in terms of strength.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

boon

It's functionally almost identical to an FG knot. I need to tie one to see how that loop in the end of the braid packs down. It will be close to a 100% knot when tied properly.

As for "too many steps" it's just because he explains it very very clearly. I could make a back-to-back Uni sound that complicated and it's a vastly inferior knot.

I could describe this knot as:
Double your braid
Take 20 wraps around the leader
Pass the end of the leader through the loop in the end of the braid
Pull tight
With the braid tag, make 2 half hitches around both the mainline and leader tag
Finish with a 3-turn uni or rizutto
Optionally ball the end of the leader and burn off the braid tag.


jurelometer

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Quote from: boon on October 29, 2024, 05:12:13 AMIt's functionally almost identical to an FG knot. I need to tie one to see how that loop in the end of the braid packs down. It will be close to a 100% knot when tied properly.

I think it looks tougher to tie securely than the FG.

The differences that I see is that the SC wraps are doubled so you have two up and two back instead of just one each way , and that the return wraps are not manually wound around the leader, instead relying on the the act of tightening the knot to cause the return tag /standing line to form wraps. And instead of cris-crossing the wraps in each direction, the return wraps are laid on top.

If you check out the videos/photos in different tutorials, many do not manage to get the return to twist much and incorporate, and these look pretty obviously not very durable.

Here is an example of the return wraps not making many rotations:



To be fair, there are also some tutorials where the knot comes out looking better, so something to consider if playing with this knot.


While this style  of knot can test well when first tied, the thing to look out for is for is the wraps or tag lock stretching/relaxing or rubbing and causing the wraps to lose tension, and allow the leader to slip free.  This is a failure that occurs over time with use, so a breaking strength test right after tying may not be the most reliable way to test them.

-J