Can a one way bearing be installed in a 330 ?

[oldmanjoe]

 I am not a fan of one way bearings in reels , but I have to try it once .
        The stock bearing is 8x22x7 .  The closest I can find is 8x22x9 .
    And the 330 n is 8x19x6 .    I have not found anything close yet ,not afraid of something smaller in size .

   I am working on getting the 8x22x9 to fit .   On paper it will fit , Yes there is a lot of cutting to make it work   

[JasonGotaProblem]

Problem is it's not a bearing it's a roller clutch. I don't think it actually bears anything. And the dam smart engineers didn't put a bearing in just for the heck of it.

I'd be interested in seeing you.modify the housing to accept a thin ball bearing in addition to a roller clutch. Probably above it.

[oldmanjoe]

https://tok-inc.com/en/products/onewayclutch1.html

   This bearing does it all ..Cks8
  So far everything fits and works .   I did a lot of filling with JB weld , I wanted to fill that part of the bottom of the stem were the dust bunnies collect . 
  Just need to do a little more filling to make the transitions clean looking.

[Steve V.]

This is like when they used to lead body seams on old custom cars and I mean that as a compliment. Nice work!

Steve

[oldmanjoe]

The days of lead , now bondo and red lead filler .   I did blow some paint on , and wished I had some red lead available. 

[oldmanjoe]

The bearings are shielded on both sides and a little on the stiff side now .  I have the reel together and the initial start up is like a high speed version push , once rolling it is fine .  Maybe a little break in will help .
   
    I did chopped off the anti reverse tube and filled that also .

[JasonGotaProblem]

Why not keep dual anti reverse?

[jurelometer]

Problem is it's not a bearing it's a roller clutch. I don't think it actually bears anything. And the dam smart engineers didn't put a bearing in just for the heck of it.

I'd be interested in seeing you.modify the housing to accept a thin ball bearing in addition to a roller clutch. Probably above it.

https://tok-inc.com/en/products/onewayclutch1.html

  This bearing does it all ..Cks8

I looked at the diagram in your link.  This is a standard small roller clutch design.  There is no outer race on this clutch.  There is a series of ramps instead.  There is no radial rolling support with these clutches.  For that, the rollers have to roll on both inner and outer races. There is no circular outer surface for the rollers to roll on, just this bumpy pathway from the ramps.

The proper mechanical design is to use a of some type of radial bearing to provide the radial support.  This is how it is done on all of reel designs that I am aware of, but some folk here  have done what you are doing (replacing a plain or ball bearing with a clutch) on conventional reel handle shafts and felt happy with the results.

It is not something that I would do, since it eliminates radial support for a rotating shaft or housing. Failure may be immediate or just eventual, but it is coming at some point sooner than it would have.

They do make a single part that is a back to back roller clutch and ball bearing, but these have to be pretty wide or you will lose clutch strength.  I haven't seen one in the flesh, or heard of one used on a reel.  If you found one of these that fit and was planning on using it, I am all ears, and want to part number!

-J

[oldmanjoe]

Problem is it's not a bearing it's a roller clutch. I don't think it actually bears anything. And the dam smart engineers didn't put a bearing in just for the heck of it.

I'd be interested in seeing you.modify the housing to accept a thin ball bearing in addition to a roller clutch. Probably above it.

https://tok-inc.com/en/products/onewayclutch1.html

  This bearing does it all ..Cks8

I looked at the diagram in your link.  This is a standard small roller clutch design.  There is no outer race on this clutch.  There is a series of ramps instead.  There is no radial rolling support with these clutches.  For that, the rollers have to roll on both inner and outer races. There is no circular outer surface for the rollers to roll on, just this bumpy pathway from the ramps.

The proper mechanical design is to use a of some type of radial bearing to provide the radial support.  This is how it is done on all of reel designs that I am aware of, but some folk here  have done what you are doing (replacing a plain or ball bearing with a clutch) on conventional reel handle shafts and felt happy with the results.

It is not something that I would do, since it eliminates radial support for a rotating shaft or housing. Failure may be immediate or just eventual, but it is coming at some point sooner than it would have.

They do make a single part that is a back to back roller clutch and ball bearing, but these have to be pretty wide or you will lose clutch strength.  I haven't seen one in the flesh, or heard of one used on a reel.  If you found one of these that fit and was planning on using it, I am all ears, and want to part number!

-J

OPPS my mistake . I posted the wrong link , this is the one I meant to post .

https://www.formsprag.com/-/media/Project/Altramotion/shared/files/Literature/brand/formsprag-clutch/catalogs/p-1352-fc.pdf?rev=07f2b0485a214b71b62ca4f8846a12a4

[oldmanjoe]

Why not keep dual anti reverse?

I could have , something told me that there was a possibility that the manuel one could accidently be flipped and lock me up completely.   And sometime I don`t know when to stop hacking on a reel . Whent for the clean look . 

[Milan S]

Oldmanjoe,
I don't understand how the inner ring of the one way bearing will be fixed for pinion...
I also didn't understand how the outer race of the one way bearing would be fixed to the housing. Very large forces can appear there.

[oldmanjoe]

Good questions .   The pinion is / has a good press fit to begin with .   Because the bearing is 2 mm longer , I had to cut the pinion shaft stop collar down 2 mm .    When I did that ,I left it a little fat .     I did the same when I bored the housing hole 2 mm  .   The outer housing is a slip fit for most of the way until it hits the 2mm bottom band .   The snap ring is a tight fit also.

  So far it is strong .  I can also use a little bearing mount -loctite blue if it loosens up.
 If and when I do need it , I can get this bearing with key cuts also   csk pp in the catalog
       .

[Milan S]

Okay. Thanks for the reply. Be careful because of the hardness of the pinions. It's not too big. Possible deformations in use.