Jigmaster handles on SS Gear Sleeves

[Keta]

If it is not the reject gearsleve.

If my memory serves me correctly, there is a problem with some runs of some aftermarket gear sleeves for the Penns.  This has to do with a chamfer:

[jurelometer]

He has a SS gearsleve.  Filing the "bolt" shorter would cure it from bottoming out if that is the problem and would not compromise the gear sleeve.

This problem is with some SS gear sleeves.  I ran into it once.  I tried shortening the nut  before I figured it out. The problem is not bottoming out, so making the handle nut shorter does not help.

The problem is that the handle nuts are not threaded right up to the head.  If the chamfer in the hole in the gear sleeve is not cut deep enough, then the nut can bind when it runs out of threads before it can tighten down on thinner handle arms.

There is a thread here somewhere that discusses this issue.  Don't know if this is also the problem that the OP is encountering, but the new gear sleeve and symptoms make me suspicious.

Maybe you are right that the hole is too short, but that is a different theory with a different solution.the OP can measure the hole depth to figure out which one it is.

I don't think it's a bottoming out issue. The height of the skinny part of the gear sleeve that the handle sits on is greater than the thickness of the handle. So with it tightened down there's some slop. Nothing he could do to the handle nut would cure that. He needs to either fill the gap or shrink the gap.

That was the next thing that I thought.  But it turned out that the sleeve  wasn't proud.  But you  are right that if the sleeve is proud, messing with the nut doesn't help.  But as noted before, filing down the sleeve also removes some of the chamfer that makes the top of the hole wider, providing relief for the lack of threads near the head, in which case the OP might end up with my problem. 

With a brass sleeve, everything gets mushed together more easily, so less of an issue.

A thicker arm or a top washer will work in all scenarios without filing.

Hopefully the OP reports back on the results.


-J

[Keta]

OK, a easy fix with a counter sink.

[Brewcrafter]

Jurelometer is right on with what I have found with some aftermarket stainless sleeves - they are quality, and they are machined and threaded both externally and internally just fine, but do not have an Internal chamfer at the top of the sleeve that accomodates what is basically a filet under the head of the screw. So the center hole is a perfect hole, threaded all the way to the top - where in the factory sleeve there is a chamfer at the top that is not threaded and it allows that filet under the handle screw to seat. I have corrected this with a couple quick kisses with the Dremel, and then chase the threads but it can be nerve racking because you can certainly goober the threads on a sleeve. - john

[jgp12000]

I have a 24-49(49) handle on one of my 500s that works nicely.

[Keta]

I have instaled dozens of SS gearsleves and must be lucky as I have never seen this. 

[jurelometer]

Maybe some handle screws are worse than others?  I only tried two.
 
Brewcrafter:  what is the thread size?  I am wondering if a stainless hex head bolt/screw could be adapted.

 Burrs on a rotary tool  will work on stainless, but yeah, probably need to re-tap.  The threads on those plated brass handle screws are not very tough.   Cutting with a counter-sink would be more thread friendly, but you probably need a high quality one made from HSS.  Both are kind of expensive  if fixing just one reel.

-J

[Cortez_Conversions]

Here's a pic of one of my 98-505 gear sleeves mated with a 24-66 handle. I don't have a 24-155 handle to test fit.
My gear sleeves have a small counterbore to accommodate the thread lead out on the handle nuts.

Not having the sleeve, handle, or nut to inspect, I can't say what the problem could be.

[JasonGotaProblem]

I have some 155 handles and at least one of Tom's jigmaster sleeves that isn't currently on a reel. I can try to reproduce the problem. The 155 handles are... Pretty thin. And also a 155 handle was meant to fit on a surf master type sleeve (98-155 I think), though the hole is the same shape. I believe those are a hair shorter in the relevant region. I have all these parts. I can go investigate. I just got a dig em out.

[jurelometer]

Here's a pic of one of my 98-505 gear sleeves mated with a 24-66 handle. I don't have a 24-155 handle to test fit.
My gear sleeves have a small counterbore to accommodate the thread lead out on the handle nuts.

Not having the sleeve, handle, or nut to inspect, I can't say what the problem could be.

Thanks Tom.

I don't know who made the SS sleeve that I had a problem with.  There was no counterbore, just a pretty tiny chamfer, same as what would be put on a nut.  The threads run all the way to a chamfer.  Same as what Brewcrafter noted.   A counterbore seems like a nicer solution than a large chamfer.

So that makes me pretty confident that mine was not a Cortez gear sleeve.   I only had this problem with one out of a half dozen or so that I have installed. I am just a hobbyist, so I don't see a lot.

And we don't know for sure that this is the problem that the OP encountered.

Nothing gets this community activity going like a Penn gear sleeve issue

-J

[Brewcrafter]

I don't know who made the SS sleeve that I had a problem with.  There was no counterbore, just a pretty tiny chamfer, same as what would be put on a nut.  The threads run all the way to a chamfer.  Same as what Brewcrafter noted.   A counterbore seems like a nicer solution than a large chamfer.

So that makes me pretty confident that mine was not a Cortez gear sleeve.   I only had this problem with one out of a half dozen or so that I have installed. I am just a hobbyist, so I don't see a lot.

And we don't know for sure that this is the problem that the OP encountered.

Agreed!  I have NEVER had an issue with Tom's/Cortez stuff, and I would hate if anyone following this thread were to think that - sleeves and anything else from Tom have always been to spec.  But that is not unusual fof any of the folks on this forum that we are blessed with aftermarket parts.  And I have no idea where my problematic sleeves came from.  but it is an easy fix. - john

Nothing gets this community activity going like a Penn gear sleeve issue

[Gfish]

HA! Lot's of writing for what seems like a simple fix. A non-corroding shim washer under the handle nut. You can easily file down part of an aluminum washer so the handle nut-lock screw doesn't contact the washer.

[Classtime]

Sorry for the late reply. And thanks for the advice. Tom at CC has been very helpful. My 24-155 that came on my 501 is a tad thinner than than the 24-66 or the 24-56. I now have a 24-66 on my 501 with the Cortez Conversions gear sleeve and it is nice and tight.  On my wish list is a handle arm and grip, and side plates, and Magnum Jigmaster kit, and ...

[JasonGotaProblem]

Welcome to the rabbit hole.