First time making a carbontex drag washer

[Keta]

Smooth drag might have the CF washers that are close.

[steelfish]

Hi there, Alex, thanks for offering to help:

can you tell me the ID hole size (or the size of the shaft sleeve) and OD diameter of the stock keyed metal washer?

The hole of the stock keyed washer is 12.5mm on the round dimension and 10.0mm on the flat dimension.

The thinnest Daiwa stock keyed washer I have is 1.4mm thick.  Currently I have only one and need two more for a 5-stack.  I may be able to steal some more from other Daiwa reels, but if you have anything close to that, please let me know.

I think I'll be able to use two of the Bryan eared washers from the 114 kit. The inner diameter of that washer is 14.2, so it won't touch the sleeve, but I don't think that matters. The outer diameter is about 24.5mm, compared to 24.2mm of the inside of the gear, so can be shaved down.  No one has responded to the question I raised about fitting only on the outside diameter and ears, but it should work. 

If I use .6mm Carbontex, here is the math: (5*.6)+(3*1.4)+(2*.5)=8.2mm

The original stack is 8.8, so probably I can use one HT100 washer (1.1mm) in place of a carbontex to hit the right thickness range.

If .6mm is thinner than recommended (as you suggested) then I would need to find some thinner keyed washers to make a 5-stack.

Hope all that is clear.  Let me know if you have any thoughts.

Cheers,
/Joe

Amigo Joe,
I was looking on my mixed-match of metal washers I have for when I was making my own 7+1 for the 113h and 5+1 Saline 400H, as I said before, bought some metal eared and keyed washers from other reels that were thinner than the stock metal washers and that might need some adjust on the ID hole or OD diameter, I also carnivalized drag washers and metal washers from other reels that didnt worth to be repaired as some from the Basspro shop brand.

anyway, while checking all those and the measures you sent me from the stock sealine 50H washers:
OD  24.2 mm
ID hole 10 x 12.5 mm
drag stack 8.8 mm

I found out that stock metal washers from the good old jigmaster 500L / penn senator 112H could be a good option for your 5+1 kit with little modification, and HT-100 stock drag washers almost none mod to fit .

next are the measures of Stock 112h/500L metal washers

Keyed Metal washer
OD 24.5 mm
ID hole 8.8 x 10.3 mm
thickness 1.0 mm

Eared Metal washer
OD 24.5 mm
ID 11 mm
thickness 1.1 mm

HT-100 drag washer
OD 24.5 mm
ID 10.7 mm
thickness 0.7 mm

stock drag stack size
9.6 mm


so, with this metal washers you should just reduce a little bit the OD of each washer and with care file down the ID to reach the 10 x 12.5 mm of the stock sealine 50H washers.

you can play with the thinner 0.5mm eared washer and the 1.0 keyed washer (from 500L) to reach the 8.8 mm of the stock drag stack of the sealine 50H


it seems that you had to order the UU 5+1 kit for the 112h instead of the UU 5+1 kit for the 114 reel, while the  its not perfect fit for the sealine 50H with bit of mod it will fit
https://www.mysticparts.com/CustomParts/UltimateUpgrades/UU-PENN500.aspx

[Decker]

so, with this metal washers you should just reduce a little bit the OD of each washer and with care file down the ID to reach the 10 x 12.5 mm of the stock sealine 50H washers.

you can play with the thinner 0.5mm eared washer and the 1.0 keyed washer (from 500L) to reach the 8.8 mm of the stock drag stack of the sealine 50H


it seems that you had to order the UU 5+1 kit for the 112h instead of the UU 5+1 kit for the 114 reel, while the  its not perfect fit for the sealine 50H with bit of mod it will fit
https://www.mysticparts.com/CustomParts/UltimateUpgrades/UU-PENN500.aspx

Wow, Alex, you really put a lot of thought into this!  I did do a comparison with the Jigmaster drags, but was scared off by the thought of messing with the ID of the keyed washers, because they ride on sleeve, and I imagine that any unevenness in enlarging the ID would lead to a wobbly drag.  I actually did find keyed washers AND precut carbon washers for sale on the web - see a couple of posts back.

I really appreciate your mental gymnastics to help me out!

[Keta]

When I was tinkering with 7 and 9 washer 349H drag sets I was dammaging the ears on the 9 washer sets at higher drag settings.

[steelfish]

Wow, Alex, you really put a lot of thought into this! ...........
I really appreciate your mental gymnastics to help me out!

no problem Joe, I need to keep my mind occupied on something

glad you found the missing pieces for your kit.

as Lee said, I think Dawn from Smoothdrag might have those drag washers you need already precut on different thickness

[Decker]

When I was tinkering with 7 and 9 washer 349H drag sets I was dammaging the ears on the 9 washer sets at higher drag settings.

Interesting, Lee.  Earlier I was thinking that those ears could be a weak point under pressure.  Your experience proves it.

Seems like the 20B SmoothDrag washer would work with a little sanding on both the ID and OD. Will keep that in mind.

[JasonGotaProblem]

I think you're gonna be able to make this work with the 0.7mm sheets. The other point of interest is the depth of the main gear cavity. The highest eared washer needs to be in the groove. The cavity would need to be about 6.6mm deep.
Edit: I see some other posts have appeared since I started writing that. Here's a slightly different take.

[Decker]

I think you're gonna be able to make this work with the 0.7mm sheets. The other point of interest is the depth of the main gear cavity. The highest eared washer needs to be in the groove. The cavity would need to be about 6.6mm deep.
Edit: I see some other posts have appeared since I started writing that. Here's a slightly different take.

Good visualization.  Yes, the stock 3-stack had the eared washer just below the top of the gear cavity. My third eared (on top of the 4th carbon) washer will need to sit flush or deeper.  I didn't try to measure the cavity depth, but it needs to be <= 4(.7mm)carbons + 2(1.4mm)keyed + 2(.5mm)eared.  That totals 6.6mm. Visually it looks like a close fit. 

Also the gear will need a little bit of grinding.  The ear slots need to go just a bit deeper, and there is an inner raised ridge on the bottom of the cavity that probably needs to be erased.

[Keta]

If the top eared washer does not go all the way into the gear bend the ears down.

[Decker]

If the top eared washer does not go all the way into the gear bend the ears down.

- NICE

[day0ne]

It's really very simple. Go to Smooothdrag and find a carbonfiber disk that is close but larger than you want, in the thickness that you want, then call Dawn, 760-949-0271:

https://www.smoothdrag.com/wp/Carbontex_washer_sizes.pdf

Then go to Daiwa for the metal disks that you need:

"Are you missing parts or perhaps have a broken part on your reel? Daiwa has you covered! You can place parts orders and check pricing/availability through us directly over the phone at (562)375-6800."

Easy, peasy.

[Decker]

David, I tried that but my reel is discontinued by Daiwa and Dawn can't sell me a 5-stack.  Headed to Walmart now to buy a new reel.

Seriously, I don't do anything the easy way.  Could be a curse or a mental defect but it's part of what brings me back to this site.

/Joe

[steelfish]

Seriously, I don't do anything the easy way.  Could be a curse or a mental defect but it's part of what brings me back to this site.
/Joe

I agree with your way of doing the repairs/upgrades for the reels.

on this reel ProGear 545 I installed a Keta hex insert, I had to get some thin metal washers and reduce the OD of make them fit 6 metal washers with 6 drag washers inside the insert. https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,38283.0.html


I also made a 7+1 kit for the 113h with thin 0.5mm metal keyed and eared washers from a reel I was about to throw it away, I could have easily bought the UU 7+1 kit but where is the fun part with that?
Making my own drag washers/metals, etc let me understand much better how things work on the drag system on our reels, now when I talk about the drag system on reels with other fisheman they think I know a lot jajaja, but when "normal" people hear me talking about drag on reels, gears they just think Im an old Geek, nothing wrong with that or maybe its my shirt of Dragon Ball Z, who knows.

[day0ne]

David, I tried that but my reel is discontinued by Daiwa and Dawn can't sell me a 5-stack.  Headed to Walmart now to buy a new reel.

Seriously, I don't do anything the easy way.  Could be a curse or a mental defect but it's part of what brings me back to this site.

/Joe

The 376-3401 (keyed) and 376-3501 (eared) washers are available all over the place, even ebay. I suspect Daiwa still has them.

You are misunderstanding what I mean about Smoothdrag. You don't order a 5 stack, you pick a washer size that you can cut down from the list I quoted and order 5 of them. Order by the number on the left column.

https://www.smoothdrag.com/wp/Carbontex_washer_sizes.pdf

[JasonGotaProblem]

Soooooo with all this effort are you gonna do a before after test with a spring scale?