DRAG STACK OPERATION?

LTM · November 09, 2013, 03:49:25 AM

Should I press my luck and ask why one config applies drag to both fiber washer surfaces and the other doesnt?

My logic (or lack there of) dictates to me that if I squeeze something between two fingers that Im apply pressure to the material on both sides.

This is for a six pack of beer when I see you

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Leo

Keta · November 09, 2013, 03:58:51 AM

The pressure will be the same but the friction will not. The CF can turn with either of the metal washers and only works on one at a time. There will be times when the CF is turning slower than the metal washers and some friction will be generated by both washers but never more than 100% of one washer.

Let me try again, think of gluing the CF washer to the keyed washers, now rotate the gear and eared washers. Does this help?

Or,
Gear/eared washers rotating at x rpm and CF washer not rotating with the keyed washers generating "y" foot pounds of friction on the gear/eared washer. Now the CF washer starts to slip and turn, the drag (when the cf washer is turning 1/2 way between the stationary eared washers and the turning gear/eared washer) is 1/2 "y" on the gear/eared and 1/2 "y" on the keyed washers.

LTM · November 09, 2013, 04:22:43 AM

Lee, thank you. Im going to sleep on this part. That last example is very suited to my type of thinkng and examination. I trully appreciate all of you guys help. As a matter of fact, Im reminded of a lengthy phone conversation that Alan and I had not long ago and I will post it in this section.

Thank all of you for getting me past this hurtle and I hope it helped more than me.

Leo

LTM · November 09, 2013, 05:16:47 AM

Lee, where the help is Sal during this discussion. He started this wih his "think about it" statement (dangerious territory when you ask me to think) and his drag mods.

Leo

Keta · November 09, 2013, 05:35:37 AM

He will probably jump in in the morning.

wallacewt · November 10, 2013, 12:07:26 AM

this all begs another ?
why does a single glued in cf washer work so well

Makule · November 13, 2013, 04:29:31 AM

Quote from: wallacewt on November 10, 2013, 12:07:26 AM
this all begs another ?
why does a single glued in cf washer work so well

If you are saying that it works better than one that is not glued in, I'd differ. The glued-in washer is the same as having one washer face locked with either the sleeve or main gear. Only one side applies variable friction (I guess one could argue that the other side is applying 100% friction). If, in fact, washers that are not glued slide on both sides, then perhaps the glued washed does work better.

Consider, in cars, drum brakes have one surface of the friction material stationary and the other side allows for variable friction as pressure is applied and released. In disk brakes, the disk is locked to the axle (akin to the disk being locked onto the fishing reel sleeve). The friction surfaces are mounted so that they sandwich the metal disk and, when squeezed, apply pressure to the metal disk. Which type of braking mechanism works more effectively? The disk brake type does. Admittedly, I do not know the engineering that causes disk brakes to be more effective than drum brakes, but the idea of one side glued versus no side glued is the point.

wallacewt · November 13, 2013, 05:27:42 AM

hi makule
i dont know if they work better or not)
small reels it wouldnt matter,
but large reels you need multi cf(game)
a lot of big fish have been knocked over on tld,s(canvas washers)
cheers mate

Makule · November 13, 2013, 05:47:10 AM

Quotea lot of big fish have been knocked over on tld,s(canvas washers)

The saying is that it's not the tool, but the man behind the tool that makes a difference. To a large extent, this is true. I wouldn't want to use my wife's Prius to haul tons of gravel, however.