So I followed Alan's Penn 146 rebuild tutorial to the T , added Bryan's drag stack and Cortez Conversions Ss gear sleeve, along with boca ceramic bearings . Used the 321 on the bearings, Cals on the drag, and yamalube blue marine grease throughout . Looks beautiful!!!
However, when you turn the handle the spool doesn't engage ( all the levers work etc.). Everything turns no strange noises etc, but no spool movement . The only thing I wasn't sure about when I reassembled the real was if the bearing covers were placed back in the real, which I did not do because it didn't appear they were used in Alan's tutorial.
Any ideas on what my issue is, possibly the bearing covers?
Pull the right side plate and see if the shoulders of the spool shaft on the right side drop into the pinion gear properly.
Checked it, it fit. The pinion and the gear mesh and spin. If you hold the pinion and turn the handle the gear will spin , but it doesn't force the pinion to to spin. If you let go of the pinion and spin the handle the get will drive the pinion. The slightest resistance and it doesn't force the pinion to spin but everything else will.
Is your drag tightened down?
Tightened or untightened , same result . It is as if the gear and pinion are free floating
Sounds like the last metal eared drag disc in the stack is not nested in the gear slots — the ears could be out causing little or no positive force.
???
Best,
Fred
If you just received the reel, there is a possibility you might have the wrong spool in there.
What letters do you see on the spool?... could you post a photo of it?
Is the pinion on the shaft backwards?
You can't test it with the right side plate removed because the pinion will bind. The spool shaft has to be there to keep it aligned.
-steve
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 15, 2018, 08:36:38 PM
If you just received the reel, there is a possibility you might have the wrong spool in there.
What letters do you see on the spool?... could you post a photo of it?
Sal either that or the spool has to be shimmed on the none handle side..................Joe
Plastic spool and everything worked fine prior to the ss gear sleeve and drag upgrade
Quote from: ReelPatina on August 15, 2018, 09:15:10 PM
Plastic spool and everything worked fine prior to the ss gear sleeve and drag upgrade
A few pictures would help/ also keep in mind you have upgraded parts that some times don't mesh with old so if you can try another spool some times that works.
Joe
Pics
Pics
Everything look rite to me, so I will hazard a guess and say it's got to be the spool not far enough to engage the pinyon which cold be a matter of putting spacers on the spool shaft on the none handle side.
Joe
It might be an optical illusion in the photo but it doesn't look like the pinion is extending out far enough to engage the spool. It looks like the pinion is flush with the bridge or slightly below it in the engaged position. In the engaged position it should be slightly above the bridge plate. Rudy
I think it is Rudy but like you say it could be that the picture is squid a bit. You don't think it would help if the spacers were as I have described?
Joe
Do you have the bridge screws in properly?
Joe, I don't think spacer shims will work. When he holds the pinion with his fingers it still doesn't work. It's got to be an assembly problem or a wrong part (spool or internal in the plate). But I'm really thinking that the problem is in the drag stack or above it. If you can't lock the gear sleeve to the main gear you can't turn the pinion gear. Rudy
You think by eliminating some of the drag system or assembling the drag stack to make sure its stacked properly would be the rite aproch then?
Joe
I would have to see the entire drag stack laid out in order, including all the washers & spacer bushing all the way to the star wheel. If it's all assembled correctly then maybe the bridge & assembly is shifting out of alighnment on installation. I think Fred made that deduction also. Rudy
When assembled, is the spool still centered in the frame?
-steve
Quote from: RowdyW on August 16, 2018, 03:23:08 AM
But I'm really thinking that the problem is in the drag stack or above it. If you can't lock the gear sleeve to the main gear you can't turn the pinion gear. Rudy
I'm guessing Rudy and Joe are on the right track with the drag stack. The old sleeve spacer might be too short for the new drag stack - there isn't much travel room for the star on squidders and the star might be bottoming out on the side plate before it applies pressure on the drag stack. Maybe try adding one of the old keyed washers on top of the new stack to make the drag stack a bit taller and stop the star from bottoming out on the plate (that is if it is bottoming out)???
Mike
Thank you to all who are throwing around ideas. I have Bryan's drag stack . I will take pics of the drag stack for you guys later today.
Quote from: mhc on August 16, 2018, 08:06:36 AM
Quote from: RowdyW on August 16, 2018, 03:23:08 AM
But I'm really thinking that the problem is in the drag stack or above it. If you can't lock the gear sleeve to the main gear you can't turn the pinion gear. Rudy
I'm guessing Rudy and Joe are on the right track with the drag stack. The old sleeve spacer might be too short for the new drag stack - there isn't much travel room for the star on squidders and the star might be bottoming out on the side plate before it applies pressure on the drag stack. Maybe try adding one of the old keyed washers on top of the new stack to make the drag stack a bit taller and stop the star from bottoming out on the plate (that is if it is bottoming out)???
Mike
Rudy is rite on with his idea. I don't want credit for his knowledge of the reel, but thanks.
Joe
Sorry Joe, I thought you had mentioned the drag set up as well, but looking back through the thread I see you were responding to Rudy's suggestion - it's all good, no one's looking for points we're all just trying to help get ReelPatina's 146 working with the upgrades.
Another quick question for ReelPatina - you mentioned you can hold the pinion to stop it turning while you turned the handle. Does the main gear stop turning while you do that test? If so, that would confirm there is a drag issue - not with Bryan's kits, they are a great and usually easy upgrade but like all drags, they need pressure to work.
Mike
Pic of the gear and drag stack. Also bryan's Dry washer under the get not pictured.
Everything in the drag stack looks like it is in the right order. When you reassemble it stack everything on the bridge includeing the spacer sleeve. Then wrap a rubber band around the end of the gear sleeve to keep everything tightly together. Reinstall the assembly that way & snug it down with the bridge screws. After it is assembled then you can remove the rubber band & install the rest of the parts (spring washers,star,etc.). The reason for the rubber band is to keep the top eared washer from moving out of the gear & the ears winding up on top of the gear & not giving you any drag. I believe that is where your problem is. Rudy
Issue resolved.... it was the drag stack and not enough pressure... added an extra keyed metal washer to the stack and now it working well.
I would like to thank everyone that chimed in and offered ideas!