Reel Repair by Alan Tani

@Brewcrafter, you will have to fill me in as I only fish freshwater. Does the electrical tape turn gummy in salt water? If it makes any difference, I'm sure all I've used is 3M  33+, since that's pretty much the only tape I carry besides colored tape. It might have been super 88, but I never buy that at home. I've taken line off reels I'm sure were on there 10 years and the tape was still good enough I could have left it on there if I wanted. I can understand why the flex wrap works though, it does the same thing without the strong adhesive. Why use grease though?

I'm not the best person to ask, but I have done some research this year on the Penn reels. I think it explains some things. It seems hard to get exact dates since some sources disagree. I did find this spreadsheet from oc1 which lists a bunch of years. https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,31112.msg385000.html#new

I do question some of the dates. We know the 700 was the first of the spinfishers, the first Penn spinning reel ever in fact. Right on the Penn website it says 1961 is the year it came out, so I have to doubt the spreadsheets date of 1963. Along with that I have found an online copy of the Penn 1963 catalog, and in that, the 710 is listed as new, so I can only assume the 700 came before 1963, and that was the year the 710 came out. So the 710 was right there as one of the originals. It was a full 5 years according to the spreadsheet before another spinfisher came out. I'll just list them below in the order I think they came out. Sorry, I'm going to skip the left hand (right side handle) versions, but the were scattered in the in between years.

700-1961
710-1963
720-1968
722-1969
704-1969
712-1971
706-1975
714-1975
716-1975

750ss-1977
450ss-1978
550ss-1978
650ss-1978

All the original spinfishers (except the 700/702 which was dropped) became the Z series in 1978

I think it's so odd the 720/722's came out before the 714/716's but that's for another day. You will notice the 710 and 712 are 8 years apart. They share the same lower body, it's only the top end that is different. I think that's the reason the 712 is what it is. It was an afterthought. The rotor is kind of goofy, the bail setup is goofy. Plus they are a little chunky since it's a 710 body.

Still, is it really as bad as we perceive? For actual size the 712 is comparable to about a 4000 size reel today. The Line capacity is somewhere between 3000 and 4000 depending on what brand you are looking at. I had a Shimano Sienna 4000 and a Penn Fierce 4000 laying around so I weighted them. The Shimano is all plastic, it's as light as you could get and it's 11.9 ounces. The Fierce is all metal body, but it's pretty light duty. It's 13.5 ounces. The Penn 712 is 15 ounces. So yes, it's heavier, but not by a mile. In terms of size, the 712 should be comparable to a 430SS. The 710 comparable to a 450SS. If anything I might guess the SS series is heavier, but I'd have to check. The only one I have is a 550SS. You do have the 4300SS though, which is a later model with a graphite body, and I assume it's lighter.

I think the 712 is a fine reel, but personally I would take the 714 if they weren't so crazy expensive. Honestly I think a 722 will do pretty much all a 712 needs to do, and if that's not enough, just get the OG, the 710.

As for the difference between a 712 and 712z, not really anything besides paint. Certain models have some changes over the years, not just when they went to the Z series. The 710 for example, almost all of the originals had plastic spools. Most were green, a few were black. I think I've even seen some maroon or tan ones. Once the 710 became the 710z they all had gold anodized aluminum spools and were painted black. I'm not aware of any model having any real mechanical changes internally.

They don't bring a premium since they're the same reel as a Microlite. They generally bring about the same, or maybe $10 more if a Herter's collector really needs one, than the Dam version.

Quotejtwill98
April 24, 2024, 01:36:42 PM
Is this the one (model 63) that you are looking for?

The Herter's Model 63 is a Cargem 33 copy made in Japan in the mid '60s, most likely by Olympic.

Quote from: fishmeluck on April 25, 2024, 06:28:14 PM

Quote from: sabaman1 on April 24, 2024, 06:05:16 AMNice job, it looks great! I too like to narrow the smaller Penns though I realize the Penn 100 came narrowed out of the box. Makes a great 1/2 or 3/4 day Sport fishing trip reel. Put some braid and a short top shot of mono and your golden!  

Your suggestion is my plan, a minimalist one rod setup for 1/2 day or 3/4 day trips: a 15-30 lb rod, the Penn 100, two spools, both spools backed about 1/2 full with some previously used and saved 50# braid, one topped with 25# mono, the other topped with 30# braid.

Head up to channel islands and test it out on some white seabass, halibut as well as the yellows. Seems they're getting some to chew now. Tight lines to you my friend!

I finally got a chance to work on the Fathom 40.

Thank you all for the warm welcome and kind words.

Not sure why the pictures were all reposted at the end.  I'll have to look into that.

To answer some questions –
I turned all of the round parts but I did use a mill to cross drill and slot cut the mandrel.

Boon and jurelometer
The plain bushing that I'm replacing is close to 9mm or roughly twice as wide as the ball bearing (5mm).  The thing that is interesting is that the bore that the bushing is pressed into is only about 4mm long.  My guess is that the bushing will still provide additional support and the short bore that it is pressed into makes alignment with the inner ball bearing easier.  Perhaps someone who knows more can chime in.




I finally manned up and bored and trimmed the case.



That section of the case is actually pretty thick



The bearing adapter fits better than expected.



The company that I work for is moving to a new location so I'll have no life for the next week.


I still have to finish the gear shield.  Then I can do a functional test to make sure the gears work, polish and anodize and then final assembly.


Getting closer!

Targeting and over harvesting slow maturing fish does that.  We still have a lot of yelloweye but they are managed with CA numbers.

Quote from: Keta on April 25, 2024, 10:43:41 PMJohn,
A big bloated yelloweye can float 4#, my release setup uses 6#.  I also have my Seaquilizers rigged on SS  cable due to sharks taking a few from friends.

Lee - I remember those fish...and they ain't down here in SoCal anymore!  I don't think Hardy Boy Todd believed me when I fished with him last summer in Port Hardy and told him that pretty much any of the rockcod we caught that day would have been jackpot contenders on a SoCal bottomfish boat. - john

Enjoy to read your note about Peen spinfisher ,It make me to dig out my 712z that I bought long time ago , never put line on it .What is the different between 712 and 712z ? For the same size spool with Dam 220 , 712z is much more heavier but it's quality reel I may start fish with it .Other Peen that I use more often is 4300ss and 4500ss 

Not sure who made the DAM SLS reels in Japan.  Some have speculated Shimano.  Maybe the similarity on this drag setup between Shimano & DAM SLS supports that idea?  In any event, take care of those MLX drag disks.  Shimano has no parts for these reels (I called), so replacement would be limited to DIY or finding something from an independent seller/supplier.

The MLX drag system works well in the models I have (200 & 300), but not sure the special parts are any better than some good old keyed/eared washers and good friction disks, as you can find in hundreds of other reels.

Frank

Yes, he is missed.  We honor his memory by keeping the friendly and respectful chatter going on this site, and following the Golden Rule of doing unto others as we would have done to us.

Frank