Everyone,
This email & photos from a prolific poster - Donnnyboat in Western AU.
Hi Wayne,
I tripped over these rods, in a canvas carry bags, that takes 3 rods that are in a tube, the carry bag also has a handle & shoulder strap, with an umbrella & a metre long extension, with a point at one end,
I managed to get 2 rods out of the 3, one is 9 M & the other is 6.5 M, one has a small length broken on the tip, & the other on tip has a loop threaded on it, the loop is about 5/8 or 16mm long,
the rods don't have any guide, so I am thinking, that you tie a leader to the loop of about 8 m on the 9 M rod, maybe with a wood float, so the float hits the water, maybe using a barbless hook, to pivot the fish to the fisho, or over his shoulder.
Maybe someone on the forum can fill us in more, the bag also had 2 other rods in it, they are very light, with only a collar to slide over the reel foot,@ both ends of the reel,
these 2 rods are about 12 Ft or 4M long, owe by the way,
I paid AU$30:00 (approx. $20 US) for the lot, could not get them into the car fast enough, yee Ha,
I will send more pics later,
cheers Don.
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Don, YOU've Been Posted!!!!!
Wayne
The last time I saw that many sections for a very long rod, it was a carp rod. Here, some crappie rods are one-piece, 10-12', maybe longer, and have a small hand crank. The line is internal until at or near the tip through one guide.
The lines of gear created for carp fishing are comprehensive and amazing. It's a very serious pursuit in the UK.
Thanks a million Wayne, to bizz today for more pics, I will also try to take some pics of the carry bag, cheers Don.
Yeah, they're carp/coarse fishing rods. You don't put a leader on them, more like a length of special elastic with a very short leader on the end of that, then when you get a bite you fight the fish with a combination of the rod and the spring in the elastic. Generally speaking you deploy/retrieve the entire operation by removing sections from the rod and pull thing the whole thing towards you. Very specialist equipment.
Don - Thanks so much for sharing! I will say this, whether it is fish with blue bones (what were those again? I seem to recall you said they were tasty?) , or some really unusual tackle like this you always seem to have something fun going on! Thanks you Sir! - john
2 more photos from Don!!
And Don, this is the first time we see your Golf Putting Green in your back lawn!!!
From Don:
Hi Wayne,
one pic of the base of the 9m rod, also the diameter of the rod base,
plus a picture of the loop on the rod tip, may have to enlarge it (I Did),
to see it, more pics to come of the carry back,
cheers Don.
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Wayne
Thanks to you all for the history of these rods, all new to me, thanks again Wayne, I did send you the pics of the carry bag, but for some reason or other the post master sent it back to me, I will try again later, Yes sir John Toby, the blue bone grouper, Tuskfish, there is about 17 different species of them, but that one, in the mid west of West Aussie, is the only one that has all the special colouring, including the multi colours in the eyes, & is on a par, for eating as the West aussie Dhu fish, the golf green back lawn, is artificial turf, know good of getting older if you dont wiser, & the bottle greats, with the 26 fl/ounce bottles, is for the home brew. cheers Don.
Just now from Don.
The canvas bags look to be in great shape.
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Wayne
We use similar rods fishing for Akule in Hawaii from piers and jetties.
good work Wayne, now some questions for Brian & Boon, it is designed by the Irish, I think, as once you get a fish on, I cant see how you could dismantle the rod to get them off, as to dismantle it, you really have to slide the bottom section, right up over the tip, & so on, the only other opction, is to point the rod staight up in the air,, then retract it, now if you had a large fish on, once you tried to point the rod up vertically, the tip may snap of, maybe thats why, the carry bag, has a Brittish airways ticket on it, from Belfast, ha haa.
now the carry bag, as you can see, in the forground were the umberalla fits in to the large pocket, you could get a couple of trout reel in there on top of the umberalla, the second pocket would fit a three or four peice rod in there thats why I have that four peice rod next to the bag, on the other side, it has five pockets for tubes, or maybe light rods, in there own personal bags, by the way, were the buckles are, in the first pic, they are leather straps, & the leather is very dry, one has snapped of, so I may have to get a car detailer to so some more buckles on, maybe material like seat belt, stuff. cheers Don.
Donny, our line would reach almost to the bottom of the rod so if you need to bait it, the line would be at a height where you hold the rod when the rod is straight up.
Thanks Brian, yes thats what I first thought, with maybe a small sinker or float to pivot it out again, after baiting, but with the tip being so light, I would think, catching firsh not much larger than hearing, I thing you get them almost world wide, cheers Don.
probably repurposed for carp, as the rest of the gear looks VERY CARPY ;D
BUT, methinks them's tuna poles :o (does say "Tunny")
for smaller members of the family up to skipjack
https://www.msc.org/what-we-are-doing/our-approach/fishing-methods-and-gear-types/pole-and-line (https://www.msc.org/what-we-are-doing/our-approach/fishing-methods-and-gear-types/pole-and-line)
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Quote from: philaroman on May 28, 2023, 05:04:19 AMprobably repurposed for carp, as the rest of the gear looks VERY CARPY ;D
BUT, methinks them's tuna poles :o (does say "Tunny")
for smaller members of the family up to skipjack
https://www.msc.org/what-we-are-doing/our-approach/fishing-methods-and-gear-types/pole-and-line (https://www.msc.org/what-we-are-doing/our-approach/fishing-methods-and-gear-types/pole-and-line)
That's a yellowfin flying through the air in that photo. They have bait-polers like this in the Solomon Islands. Some seriously burly arms on those guys. I always wanted to try this, but not as a full-time job. :)
-J
Yes thanks Phil & J, apparently Tunny make many rods for different purposes, J thems tuna poll fishermen, may have thick arms, & very strong backs, I know when I was shearing a lot of bloke gave it away, with back problems, some days you could do a good days shearing, & jog back to the quarter, & leep over a fence without touching it & other days, when a cold breeze was blowing up the letout shoot, you could hardly walk, thems were the Days, I had 24 years of it, it was a good industury to me, there were plenty of sheep in Australia & you could keep working all year around. cheers Don.
Quote from: jurelometer on May 28, 2023, 05:21:29 AMQuote from: philaroman on May 28, 2023, 05:04:19 AMprobably repurposed for carp, as the rest of the gear looks VERY CARPY ;D
BUT, methinks them's tuna poles :o (does say "Tunny")
for smaller members of the family up to skipjack
https://www.msc.org/what-we-are-doing/our-approach/fishing-methods-and-gear-types/pole-and-line (https://www.msc.org/what-we-are-doing/our-approach/fishing-methods-and-gear-types/pole-and-line)
That's a yellowfin flying through the air in that photo. They have bait-polers like this in the Solomon Islands. Some seriously burly arms on those guys. I always wanted to try this, but not as a full-time job. :)
-J
We have poling boats down here, is a slaughter when the fish are biting well and not a popular form of commercial fishing in the eyes of recreational anglers.
I have seen them in action a few times, the sprayers you see get the tuna exited and they come up to the surface to see what is making the foamy water. The fishermen then just drop some very basic lure on top of the water and the fish eat it immediately and they lift the fish using the momentum and not allowing the fish to turn its head around. Here they use bamboo poles with short, maybe 2 mt of fixed line.
Albacore also get caught like that.
Look on Youtube for videos....horrible.
Good story about the shearing Don. I think a lot of folk don't realize the amount of hard physical labor that goes into some occupations like commercial fishing and ranch work.
As commercial tuna fisheries go, pole fishing is not so destructive compared to long lines, drift nets, and purse seines. As long as they don't net up a bunch of reef fish to supplement the sprayers. It is a very selective fishery, next to zero bycatch. Agree that the fishery still has to be properly managed and shared with the rec guys.
-J
Those would also work for poke poleing. Very Low tide on the coast use a piece of wire with a baited hook tied to the end and poke it in the crevices in the rocks for cabezone, greenling and other rock fish on the west coast here
Looks like a group effort, doesn't it???
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Wayne
Looks good Wayne, I think the fish land on the deck, & as they wriggle around, they slide down & into a shoot, down into the ice storage area, I would think the workers would rotate, from the rods to other duties, to relieve the boredom, cheers Don.
Quote from: jurelometer on May 28, 2023, 06:36:49 PMGood story about the shearing Don.
-J
J-man!
I read this article on my news feed, about a
Sheep to Shawl competition, you have 5 people, 1 sheep, and 3 hours https://www.npr.org/2023/05/15/1176174760/sheep-shawl-fiber-art
And Don was so nice to send me his thoughts on this contest.
Thanks Wayne & Jennifer,
the young lady they filmed shearing, was quite good,
she has shorn a fare few sheep before,
the wool looks more like carpet wool than shall wool, carpet wool
if generally over 30 micron, a good wool for that purpose I would think,
about 23 micron, or about 20/21 micron for shirts or frocks,
& about 16 to 18 micron for suits, after you get the micron right,
then you look @ the vegetable matter,
high veg & lanolin the lower the yield of wool, then you look @ fibre strength,
to get a sheep with less lanolin, you would have to select a ewe, that is lactating,
that way all the grease would be going into the milk rather than the wool,
hope that helps,
cheers Don, keep well ay.
Either way, very interesting.
Wayne
Gee Wayne I have to be careful, I tell someone on the other side of the world, about a subject, next thing its all over the world, ha ha your all most welcome, so if the yield is over 70% before scouring, & vegstible matter is removed, the farmer is managing his flock well, most wool is sold by the cleen Kg, or greasy, if your buying it greasy, then you have to know your stuff, & to get a good fibre strength, the animals, diet has to be getting 8% protien/day, that should yield you a 4 inch staple of wool, but if there is a sudden change in its diet, or bad water, that can cause a brake in the fibre, its not so bad if the break is @ one end or the other, but very bad if it is in the middle, as to comb the wool after scouring the staple has to be 2 1/4 inches long, So there you just cant, through the animal in the paddock & foreget about it. of course, there was a very wealthy man from Great Britton, that brought a farm in Australia, & imployed a manager to look after the property, & after shearing, the manager sent a message over to the owner, that the shearing went very well, & you got over fifty bails of wool, the owner sent back a message to commence shearing again, immidiantly, then there was a pastoralist, had some had a worker counting the sheep into the holding paddock before shearing, the owner said, how many sheep in the holding paddock Jackie, Jackie say plenty boss plenty, so the next day the boss was out there, watching the sheep being counted into the holding paddock, & jackie was there counting, nuder one, nuder one, nuder one, & so on, keep well, cheers Don.
Donny - My sister has participated in "Sheep to Shawl" (not on the sheep side, but she can run a spinning wheel) and she told me that shearing a sheep is not like getting a haircut (basically clipping off chunks) but that the true artistry in sheep shearing was to buzz the sheep and end up with the bulk of the coat as an entire single chunk of wool? - john
Yes John toby, the idea is to shear the sheep, without braking up the fleece much, then a good roustabout, can pickup the fleece, & they have to have the skill to through the fleece onto a wool table, the wool table is about 10 ft by 5 ft, with rods every 11/2 inches apart so that all the second cuts, drop through the rods onto the floor, then the short fibres around the fleece are shirted of, that leave all the long wool together, for spinning, when you pick the leece up from the shearer, you get hold of it with you index finger & thumb, then you flick it back, & pick the wrest up with the other 3 fingers, as you throw the fleece onto the table you hold onto it with 2 finger & let go with the other 3, & it should land on the table like a mat, try it with a sheet, see how you go with that cheers Don.
Thanks for the explanation Don! Now that I think about it, after what you say is done I am guessing a full trimmed fleece probably is not light? What would a full one weigh? I am only guessing but 10-15 kilos? Not soething I would want to handle with only two fingers but I'm thinking they are mostly air? - john
Yes John, a fully skirted fleece, marino, fleece, could be anything from 8 to 10 Kg, cross bred or english bred carpet wool sheep have a lot less fibres per quare inch, so they are a lot lighter, also in the summer when the sheep are walking a lot further to water, they have less grease, lanolin in the wool, so it is lighter, I did not explain the throwing of the fleece very good, so try it with a sheet, lay the sheet on the floor, then pick up the two corners furthest away from you with the index finger & thumb, now put both hands together, now bring that end back toward you, then pick up the wrest, with the other 3 fingers, now as you throw it away from you let go with the 3 fingers & hold on with the other 2, & it should lay out even on your bed, now tell me if your the makings of a good shedhand, or if you have to keep brewing,cheers Don.
A fleece can have about 10 differant grades of wool in it, the finest being along the edge of the belly, & the coarsest just above the tail, & the best average, if generally around the shoulder, that why people generally part the wool on the shoulder when inspecting sheep @ a show, now come on by onest, how did you all go throwing the sheet last night, gee I`d love to have been a fly on the wall, I bet there were some gigles, cheers Don.
Let's just say that SWMBO was not amused or happy with the condition of the bed, and I had to remake it conventionally with no help! :D - john
practice make perfect, I did`nt tell you the definition of a wool classer, wool binder & dag expert, cheers Don.
I was listening to the radio, ABC in Western Australia, midday they have a country hour, all things farming & the daily rain fall, they reported the some were in WA, a farmer has produce a Marino fleece that averaged 9.8 micron, we really have moved of the original subject of fish on this post, if any of the moderators wish to split this post in half & move it to a different area , I wont be offended, when you said about your sister saying that the fleece has to be in one peice, that also meens that when the shearer shears the sheep, he has to stay on the skin with very few second cuts as possible, there is very little value of short wool, cheers Don.
I took some fishing ggear to the markets today, & I was talking to an English gentle man there, I had the 9M poll there && he said that they used to do a lot of poll fishing near Kent, in the channels over there, the channels are 10M wide, the fish they were after are called Roach, if they see a fish break the surface then they extend the poll, & drop the hook, in the area it is, he,said when they get a fish on they retract the poll to get the fish of, & some fisho`s could do that as quick as using a rod & reel, I really did not get enough time to talk to him, as I had customers wanting gear, & he moved on, I will try & you tube poll fishing & see how its done, cheers Don.
Watched a bit of youtube overnight, interesting, the poll they were using, actually comes apart about 3 M from the end, My poll wont do that, mind you if I play around with the third poll that I have, that is not complete, I maybe able to get it to part, they were using a leader about, 15 M long, they also have a small basket that they place berly into tip it out near the hook when it is in the water, not my way of fishing, when I mix burly, I make it very waterie & just tip a bit of water into the water, that way the fish dont get to full on the berly, but we all have different ideas, cheers Don.
Bit late joining in, but Garbolino is a well-respected Italian firm that make what are known as poles or roach poles. They come in various lengths (some over 8 metres) and in strengths intended to catch tiddlers of an ounce up to carp well over 20lb! Very common in continental Europe for freshwater fishing.
Cheaper ones are telescopic and better ones have put-over joints.
For the small stuff, the line is attached directly to a loop at the very tip and it allows you to place your baited hook precisely where you want. For the big stuff, there is a length of strong elastic inside the pole and the line is connected to that. Again bait can be placed precisely and a large fish stretches the elastic before being kited back across the surface to the waiting net.
I've never used such a pole myself but freshwater match anglers find them indispensable.
But certainly not a tuna pole - wouldn't last a moment.