I recently agreed to fix a reel for a fellow Shark Fishermen, He said he took the bait out and it wouldn't reel back in.
I thought it was a gear issue or side plate problem. It was the sleeve. Stripped like nobody's business.
Other than that, it was in good shape. Handle upgrade was the only thing he wanted, Everything else left stock.
Mission accomplished.
Nice work.
Did you replace it with a stainless gear sleeve? Nice handle.
No George, I didn't. I wanted to, but he didn't want to spend the money.
Great diagnosis and upgrade, Daron!
Best,
Fred
Daron, I have an acquaintance that thinks a fiver is a lot to spend too. 8)
I would get frustrated working on his (3) small Penns because he abused them, yet didn't want any upgrades.
I ended up pimping out one at no charge, and didn't tell him. After he used it for awhile, he kept saying one of his reels was 'so smooth'. When I finally showed him what was up, he decided he wanted them all done at once. I told him fine, pay me for first one! He cleaned me out of all my stash of 5 stacks and sleeves from Bryan. He wanted my Accurate frames too, but I wouldn't turn 'em loose.
He just had to see the worth for himself.
Your friend didn't realize he missed a great opportunity to have a reel wizard working on his stuff.
Quote from: Rancanfish on September 21, 2016, 04:14:07 PM
I ended up pimping out one at no charge, and didn't tell him. After he used it for awhile, he kept saying one of his reels was 'so smooth'.
what a coincidence, I did the same to a friend, he likes the good old gold trinidads a lot, he got 6 of them, but he says those reels dont need any upgrade, that they are so perfect from the factory (true shimano fan boy), I show him my trini16 with the carbontex and trini DC dog and spring upgrade, well he didnt wanted it on his reels.
one time he sent me 3 of them to service and I installed the carbontex and dog/spring on one of them at no charge, few months later he told me that he will send me all his trinidad to get the same than the one I tinked up
by the way, nice job on the reel Daron
Quote from: Shark Hunter on September 21, 2016, 05:27:01 AM
It was the sleeve. Stripped like nobody's business.
Nice job, Daron. What about the sleeve is stripped, I just can't appreciate it from the photo. Is it the ratchet? I see the dog was well-worn. I just don't get how a worn ratchet would not allow him to retrieve line. I could understand an AR problem....
Sid
Sid, Look at the tip of the sleeve, opposite the ratchet. The first few threads are gone.
I've seen this V shaped wear on the dog the last few I have opened. Its always a newer aluminum spool model. I'm starting to think the brass is inferior to the older reels.
I offered the full Monte. Just wanted him to know it was on the table.
Honestly, I don't blame him. I threw in a stock sleeve and star for free.
He is concentrating on bigger Everol's like me.
Thanks. Now I see it. I don't believe I have seen that problem before.
Sid
I haven't either. I didn't even notice it until I couldn't find anything wrong inside.
The star was on there, so it felt like it was bottoming out, but no drag. Weird. ::)
I have several buddies who will use one of my reels and love it, but when I offer to do the upgrades for just the cost of parts, they balk. Even a $6 set of drag washers for a 5500 is more than they'll spend. What a shame not to bring that reel to its full potential.
I think I'm going to do that to my buddies reel, he fished it for 15yrs before he brought it to me, he just wanted it original nothing fancy. I believe I just gleaned and greased it and added cf drags. I think this year I'll give him the full treatment and see if he even notices.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on September 21, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
Sid, Look at the tip of the sleeve, opposite the ratchet. The first few threads are gone.
I've seen this V shaped wear on the dog the last few I have opened. Its always a newer aluminum spool model. I'm starting to think the brass is inferior to the older reels.
I offered the full Monte. Just wanted him to know it was on the table.
Honestly, I don't blame him. I threw in a stock sleeve and star for free.
He is concentrating on bigger Everol's like me.
Daron on those dogs the newer replacement dogs have that V or U shape on the tip. I don't know why Penn changed it. When I did my 12/0 last year it had the wedge shaped dog tip in it (alum. spool) but it was chewed up off center. When I bought the new one from SB&T it had the U or V shaped dog tip. I called Mo & she said that's the way Penn is sending the new ones. I like the old style better. I guess you haven't noticed because you always install SS sleeves & dogs. You've been removing the new style & using the old style. I think the old style has a more positive engagement. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on September 21, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Daron on those dogs the newer replacement dogs have that V or U shape on the tip. I don't know why Penn changed it.
I sent Rudy a PM earlier today, and he disagreed, but it looks to me like the new design is meant to be installed one way, and when the dog wears it can be flipped around and used until the second side wears, so I'm throwing that out as an explanation for the design change.
Sid
The new dogs should be much stronger, no chance for slipping under pressure.
Daron, was the gear sleeve stipped by the ratchet or the handle nut?
Sal
Quote from: sdlehr on September 21, 2016, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on September 21, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Daron on those dogs the newer replacement dogs have that V or U shape on the tip. I don't know why Penn changed it.
I sent Rudy a PM earlier today, and he disagreed, but it looks to me like the new design is meant to be installed one way, and when the dog wears it can be flipped around and used until the second side wears, so I'm throwing that out as an explanation for the design change.
Sid
Makes sense to me.
Quote from: sdlehr on September 21, 2016, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on September 21, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Daron on those dogs the newer replacement dogs have that V or U shape on the tip. I don't know why Penn changed it.
I sent Rudy a PM earlier today, and he disagreed, but it looks to me like the new design is meant to be installed one way, and when the dog wears it can be flipped around and used until the second side wears, so I'm throwing that out as an explanation for the design change.
Sid
Sid do you think that a manufactuerer would actually make something that can be used over to last twice as long rather then sell a new one? ::) The notch was not quite in the center.
Well done Daron. Always better than new. You are the big Penn man!
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 21, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
The new dogs should be much stronger, no chance for slipping under pressure.
Daron, was the gear sleeve stipped by the ratchet or the handle nut?
Sal
It was stripped by the handle nut Sal. Nothing but a replacement would make it work again.
I thank everyone for the positive comments.
It is a good feeling fixing reels that I know are going to catch Monsters.
I learned everything I know from Here. Mainly Sal.
As far as those notched dogs. Not a fan.
I will replace every one I come across.
I envision a Big Senator the way I want it to be.
Strong and Capable. Confident that whatever picks up the bait.
I can rely on a trusted and proven design to bring him in. ;)
Quote from: RowdyW on September 21, 2016, 10:59:20 PM
Sid do you think that a manufactuerer would actually make something that can be used over to last twice as long rather then sell a new one? ::) The notch was not quite in the center.
Where is Tony when you need him? :)
Sid
Where is Tony when you need him? :)
Sid
[/quote] A finger touch away on a PM. Log into PENN
Quote from: RowdyW on September 22, 2016, 02:46:36 AM
A finger touch away on a PM. Log into PENN
I had already PM'd and emailed him to come help us out. It looks like he's logged on, but I bet it's his work computer sitting idly at his desk while he's at home....
Sid
Sid,
I am by no means an Engineer nor do I pretend to be, but looking at the last 4 print revisions the style of the dog has not changed. The earliest electronic print we have on file for the 15-116 is 2002 and the design was the same. Prior to that they were all hand drawn and I do not have access to those files to see why they changed it.
tony
Thanks, Tony. From the drawing I'm going to continue to believe the design was to allow reversal of a worn dog so that it could be turned around and reused after the first side has worn. Thanks for trying.
Sid