While there is no tutorial on the TLD 10, I followed the tutorial for the 15http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/104_0881.JPG and got stuck (literally and figuratively).
In this image form the 15 tutorial, the center shaft is shown with a pin through it that anchors the shaft to the left side plate.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/104_0881.JPG)
On the other side of the shaft, it shows the drag adjustment lever cog being fitted to the shaft via a square.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/104_0899.JPG)
I assume that the lever is moved to adjust the drag, but if the cog is connected to the shaft, that is anchored to the left side plate, how can it move?
G'day Albert, the cog isn't connected to the shaft, just the spool.
The shaft moves laterally as the drag lever actuates.
It might be a bit clearer here:
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/104_0866.JPG)
Hope that's of some assistance.
Cheers, Justin
Quote from: redsetta on March 13, 2012, 06:28:00 AM
G'day Albert, the cog isn't connected to the shaft, just the spool.
The shaft moves laterally as the drag lever actuates.
It might be a bit clearer here:
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/104_0866.JPG)
Hope that's of some assistance.
Cheers, Justin
The shaft goes from the left side plate, into which the shaft fits and is held in position by the pin. On the crank side, the lever goes on first, next the cog, then the screw adjustment cap. The cog does fit onto the shaft via a square hole (the shaft is also cut square), and the screw adjustment cap is threaded onto the shaft. The lever cannot adjust because the shaft is still held in place by the left side shaft pin.
Sorry Albert, I see what you mean now.
I thought you meant the click gear (on the right in the above pic).
The cog you're referring to is also known as the clutch cam.
This doesn't pivot. Rather the lever moves beneath it and forces it outwards.
This pulls the spool right, towards the drag plate, which then pushes against the right-side bearing via the pinion gear.
Hope that helps.
I had a similar problem with a TLD15 recently. I had to clear the hole/slot in the left side of the frame to ensure that the shaft/pin moved freely and laterally within the frame when the drag lever was actuated. Must say it had me thinking for a while before I got it sorted.
hi ij do you mean keep the slot free of grease
Quote from: wallacewt on March 13, 2012, 11:32:15 AM
hi ij do you mean keep the slot free of grease
No Wallace, I opened the slotted hole up using a drill a couple of thou bigger than the shaft. I fitted the shaft/pin to the slotted hole to ensure that it was a good slide fit and then rotated it through 180 degrees and tried again as recommended by Alan in his tutorial.
This system is consider a pull system where the spool is pulled towards the right side plate (via the shaft) to engage the drags via compression of the pressure plate to the drag located in the spool. this is the reason why the shaft needs to be free and allowed to slide in and out.
The preset moves the pinion gear to the left, moving the pressure plate closer to the drag washer. the cam as an angle on it so that when the lever is moved, moves the pinion bearing/gear pushing the presure plate to the drag to slow down the spool.
irish/bryan thanks
ill have a very close look at my fav;reel tld5.
its like me getting old and wants its own way.
perfect 1 day,not so the next.
They last well if given a little TLC.
I bought my TLD15 in Sydney in 1986.
I did Alan's full upgrade on it last year (carbontex, bellevilles, handle/arm etc) and it's better than new now - even more so since I TSI'd the spool bearings! ;D
Good luck mate, Justin
Ok, getting closer to finishing. Thank you all for the help.
There wasn't any problem with the assembly, but the lack of grease between the lever and clutch cam prevented the lever from turning.
I am now left with "extra" parts. It seems that they should go just under the clutch cam, but if I put them there, no room is left for the clutch cam to engage the main shaft. Where are these two supposed to go?
(https://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pptXr-q9-LGedqoSrPaV9kEYw9Gbj-heGXbtatyBQ9c136vbu8x-FjySsuoxRIKqRPtABDLEORKJWLICGz57_0Q/Extra.jpg?psid=1)
Also, the free spool drags. The bearings are lubed appropriately, but I wonder if the slotted hole on the left plate is too tight. Suggestions?
Are you kidding me? One is a thrust washer. Without knowing the size, I'd guess it's one that should be between the bearing and the belleville washers. The other, I cannot picture it anywhere in the reel (in my head that is).
the big one goes underneath the right spool bearing. the small one can go any one of several places that are most likely not critical.
Quote from: alantani on March 14, 2012, 03:41:45 AM
the big one goes underneath the right spool bearing. the small one can go any one of several places that are most likely not critical.
Thank you. Yeah, I guessed the larger one had to go someplace around there so I just stuck it on the top and it worked. The smaller one went under the lever.
actually, yes, it would!
Quote from: Makule on March 14, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
Also, the free spool drags. The bearings are lubed appropriately, but I wonder if the slotted hole on the left plate is too tight. Suggestions?
Good to see you are almost there,well done. ;D It was the hole in the left plate that gave me all the trouble. See my previous "Reply#6" above.
What are you doing with such a small reel Albert? ;D
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 14, 2012, 01:26:02 PM
What are you doing with such a small reel Albert? ;D
The truth is that I was at a pawn shop last week and was looking for an Abu 6501 or something similar to use for some light lure fishing. There were none, but I saw this Shimano and when I tried to crank and adjust the drag, everything was stuck. Cosmetically, it didn't seem too bad (little corrosion on the lever guide), but since is wasn't working, the guy told me $15. The alantani got its grip on me so I decided to try it. Now that it's working, I will probably try using it a bit, but don't really think it's what I need so it'll probably get sold.
Seems like the TLD 10 is not very common. It's also made in Japan, not Malaysia like the newer, larger ones. Called Shimano today (thanks to Alan for giving me the information) and ordered the part. With some other parts for a customer's reel, the total was $15, so I figure I have about $18 into it. Hopefully, I can sell it for more than that. Don't recall seeing a TLD 10 on fleabay so don't know what the going price is.
I'd be interested, if you do decide to sell.
Cheers, Justin
I'll let you guys know about it first before I sell it.
hi irish, my free spool slows down if i over tighten the 2 gear clicker screws.
ive got maybe 30 seconds so i think ill leave it at that
also i have a fresh score mark on the spool. side where the drag cover screws in
warps the frame(i think !)if i over tighten.
cheers
G'day Wallace, there are a couple of shims under the click gear cover.
If you've upgraded the bellevilles, you'll need to pull one out to fix the binding.
Cheers, Justin
thank you justin,ill pull it apart today and let you know.i dont recall seeing any shims under there. lol!
3 shims under there.2 thin 1 thick. left the 2 thin out and could do the 2 screws up tight.i feel better now.thanks. just got home from fishing off the jetty to try the tld5.(caught 7 not big.8kgs biggest)ok but not good enough.so i added 1 thin shim seems ideal now.freespool,binding,etc;its all just ducky.thanks fellas