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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => D.A.M. Quick => Topic started by: oldmanjoe on March 31, 2018, 09:25:16 PM

Title: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on March 31, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
  Picked up some .50mm carbon fiber and some Cal`grease from Eric
    I have 3 different spools for the 270`s that i am going to add more to the stack .
 
   For cutting the cf washers i use a 1/2 inch brass compression sleeve ,1/4 drive socket "11mm" and a 1/4 drive punch.
   After i cut the washer with the sleeve ,i drop the socket upside down in the sleeve .  This centers the 1/4 inch punch for the center cut.
   This will also work for the 330 size washers for out side diameter ,but you need to use a 5/16 punch for the center.     To center the punch i am going to use a 5/16 washer and trim the out side to fit inside the sleeve.
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on March 31, 2018, 09:34:17 PM
Can't wait to see those reels in action
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: foakes on March 31, 2018, 09:45:06 PM
Good job, Joe!

Slightly loose around the edges and the center hole is always best — instead of tight.

Should do a good job with the Cal's.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on March 31, 2018, 09:45:34 PM
 I haven`t found a way to hold the stock washers so i can cut them down yet .    So i cut a few out of .040 brass stock.
 The plastic spool now has a 4 stack .    The aluminum spool i was able to get a 5 stack in it .     I did lower the bottom of the well so that i can install the snap ring in with no pressure on the stack .      
 The odd ball aluminum spool that has no friction washer i put one in just to compare with another one with out .
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 02, 2018, 06:29:21 PM
I made a mistake on the arrangement of washers in the above photo`s with the outside keys ......
Can`t slip with back to back outside keys.
new arrangement 
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 02, 2018, 08:13:25 PM
 :) For the 330 size drag washers ,same outside od  but bigger id -5/16
  To center the punch 5/16 nut clean out the threads a little so the punch goes though and slight round over on the out side hex.   joe
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: Alto Mare on April 02, 2018, 08:37:11 PM
Good job punching those washers oldman! :)

Sal
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 02, 2018, 10:09:43 PM
 ;D  Yep i liking this 39 cent cutter...      Now to see if i can  3 dozen more washers .   joe
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: Dominick on April 02, 2018, 10:18:52 PM
Good going oldman.  Dominick
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oc1 on April 03, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
Dang Joe, I had no idea you could punch out that stuff with brass.  This changes everything.  Is that a copper punch too?  Thanks for the tip.
-steve
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: Alto Mare on April 03, 2018, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: oc1 on April 03, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
Dang Joe, I had no idea you could punch out that stuff with brass.  This changes everything.  Is that a copper punch too?  Thanks for the tip.
-steve
Yup, brass does a good job, but needs to be sharp.
Before I purchased these:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7996.msg195982#msg195982
couldn't find anything to punch 13/8", so I made my own using a sink faucet that I replaced and worked like a charm ;)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7996.msg136641#msg136641

Sal
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 03, 2018, 02:22:54 PM
Quote from: oc1 on April 03, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
Dang Joe, I had no idea you could punch out that stuff with brass.  This changes everything.  Is that a copper punch too?  Thanks for the tip.
-steve
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   :) :)    It`s both ,     I started with just the compression sleeve after about 6 cuts ,the sleeve was pretty well  peen over.
                   So i came up with the copper driver .    I will punch a coulp of washers with just the copper tube for the 330 , I think they will fit better in the well.
  The one`s that i cut with the brass need a little sanding on the od    joe
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 03, 2018, 07:11:40 PM
If you make a new punch stick a piece of copper with a cap in the hammer end of the coupling & solder it. Then the coupling edge won't flare out when you hit it. A guy should be able to sharpen that brass compression ring a few times with a file before it's no good, I would think. 
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oc1 on April 04, 2018, 06:36:04 AM
There is a whole world of carbon fiber punches on the plumbing isle.  I can't wait.  Keeping the cutting edge straight and square might be the hardest part.
-steve
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 04, 2018, 05:53:20 PM
Quote from: oc1 on April 04, 2018, 06:36:04 AM
There is a whole world of carbon fiber punches on the plumbing isle.  I can't wait.  Keeping the cutting edge straight and square might be the hardest part.
-steve

A nice piece of solid oak or maple under the CF should help keep the cutting edge from dulling for a little while.
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 06, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
 Playing with the drags again another aluminium spool ,  cut the well from .430 down to .525
  Stock drag stack runs around .285 ish  , now is .420 ish .
Now have a 7 stack to test out.   

  I am beginning to realize there is no such a thing as a Dam parts reel .  I did not take a picture of this dirty rat ,but it sure did clean up nice.    joe   
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 06, 2018, 11:38:32 PM
How do you think the brass washers will hold up in comparison to SS since they're so much softer?
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 07, 2018, 12:37:17 AM
Tom   I don`t think the stock washers are ss , they have a chrome  like finish on them , but i believe they are hard brass .
    I am going to put up a picture of  washers that i did a few strokes on sand paper just to show how cupped the washer is from being punched out originally.
    They go from shiny to brass color pretty quick.  The stock washers are .060     I am cutting .030 hard brass , with more washers in the stack i think i have more shear resistance on the keys in total .     I am looking for the low smooth long run drag , not the lock up pull me out of the boat drag.     

     The third pic is the same stock washers sanded down , There is a hint of copper on one of them .      copper plated for chroming ?
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oc1 on April 07, 2018, 03:44:01 AM
https://www.finishing.com/0600-0799/713.shtml (https://www.finishing.com/0600-0799/713.shtml)
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: handyandy on April 11, 2018, 05:13:30 PM
I sanded down a set of my original super drag washers in one of my spools and as joe said they're brass that was chrome plated. I'm anxiously awaiting the drag set from three sevens is making for these reels. How did you go about making the hole in the spool deeper to fit the larger drag stack?
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 11, 2018, 07:48:25 PM
 I have cut 2 spools .    1 i did just with the Dremel    Second one i use a lath but still cleaned it up with the Dremel .
  Bitts are little end mill to cut the key slot down and the floor  I finish with a wet stone  cutting oil to keep from clogging
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: handyandy on April 11, 2018, 08:16:22 PM
Might have to give it a shot on one of mine got a buddy with a lath not sure I trust my self dremeling the thing other than finishing off rough edges. Would be worried I wouldn't get it the most square. Would be curious to know what kind of drag numbers you get out of it with that big of a drag stack.
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on April 11, 2018, 09:17:17 PM
I don`t get caught up drag numbers .  I want a smooth drag , no "compression strokes"   
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: oldmanjoe on May 04, 2018, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on March 31, 2018, 09:34:17 PM
Can't wait to see those reels in action
It sung but never smoked
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on May 06, 2018, 11:53:59 AM
That is quite the haul! Love it.
Nice work on that reel
Title: Re: IT`s a drag
Post by: handyandy on May 22, 2018, 07:14:22 PM
I'm anxiously awaiting for some of the ss and carbon fiber drag stacks from motiv fabrication for my supers.