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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Ambassadeur Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: old 1946 on June 06, 2022, 04:43:46 PM

Title: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: old 1946 on June 06, 2022, 04:43:46 PM
Hello all
Servicing my Abu 6501c3(lefty) tried to remove handle nut would not budge applied force and
nut finally loosened up,problem is the nut is left handed thread and I removed it as right handed
and totally screwed the shaft threads and destroyed the nut(I can hear you guys laughing).
Abu foot number is 010605,having a hard time locating the right parts.
Abu schmatics show different part numbers for said reel.
Could use alittle help here to get the right parts.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: oldmanjoe on June 06, 2022, 05:01:47 PM
 :cf    Sometimes you have to tighten it up ,to get it loosen up !!!!
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Midway Tommy on June 06, 2022, 06:13:27 PM
That sucks! That's why, when a screw or nut won't come loose, it's always best to work it both ways until it actually does break loose. If that had been a screw it would have snapped off.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Keta on June 06, 2022, 10:11:54 PM
The older we get the more often we have "D'oh" moments. 
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Gfish on June 06, 2022, 10:24:31 PM
Is there a mechanical reason for left-tight/right-loosen threads? Chrysler corp. vehicles used to get people with lug nuts on their wheels with that crap.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Keta on June 06, 2022, 10:29:31 PM
Yes, RH tend to loosen when cranked backwards.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: day0ne on June 06, 2022, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Gfish on June 06, 2022, 10:24:31 PMIs there a mechanical reason for left-tight/right-loosen threads? Chrysler corp. vehicles used to get people with lug nuts on their wheels with that crap.

So did Pontiac. The reason is that as you reel (or the left side tires turn) it tends to tighten the nut. Normal threads will tend to loosen the nut. That is why you need locktite on a normal reel handle.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Gfish on June 06, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
Aw, come ooonnn. Really?
Why not a lock-washer, then?
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Wompus Cat on June 06, 2022, 11:43:07 PM
Quote from: day0ne on June 06, 2022, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Gfish on June 06, 2022, 10:24:31 PMIs there a mechanical reason for left-tight/right-loosen threads? Chrysler corp. vehicles used to get people with lug nuts on their wheels with that crap.

So did Pontiac.and Pre 1965 Buick and Oldsmobubbles as well as a GOB  of  Bicycle Pedals The reason is that as you reel (or the left side tires turn) it tends to tighten the nut. Normal threads will tend to loosen the nut. That is why you need locktite on a normal reel handle.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: oldmanjoe on June 07, 2022, 12:03:34 AM
        (https://alantani.com/gallery/35/17471_10_12_21_9_00_51_359542422.jpeg)

    I though that once you went South of the Equator , thing went backwards  . :-[
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: old 1946 on June 08, 2022, 02:24:59 PM
Appreciate all the replies but I still need advice concerning the parts I need for my reel.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: alantani on June 08, 2022, 02:49:38 PM
i took a quick look and i didn't find any left handed parts in the box that usually has this stuff.  it looks like you need a left handed drive shaft 22081 and a left handed handle nut 5001C.  here's the schematic. 

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/abu-garcia-6501-ambassadeur-parts-c-187196_187197_187573.html

i went digging through and didn't find either.  the left handed handle nut is here on ebay. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-New-Abu-Garcia-Ambassadeur-Brass-Left-Hand-Thread-Handle-Nut-5001C-1127716-/173740770050

the left handed drive shaft is here.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bin-596-22081-Abu-Garcia-Ambassadeur-Left-Hand-Drive-Shaft-/173126289675

i hate to send you to ebay like this, but i can't find the parts you need here.  not sure if any of the other guys can help you out, but at least you have this. 

and yeah, getting old sucks.....  :(
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Keta on June 09, 2022, 02:05:14 AM
I have zero LH parts and 4 LH ABU reels.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Gfish on June 09, 2022, 08:14:08 AM
Sorry for the thread jack. But now it's on my mind. If everything is installed right(mainly torque) I don't see a need for reverse threads. For example, the only loose lug nuts I've ever heard about are from some mechanic getting distracted and forgetting to tighten them. A properly installed knob bolt on a reel handle? With a lubed knob?...No.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Walleye Guy on June 09, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Depending on how damaged the driveshaft and nut are, you could try to chase the threads with a tap and die and salvage them.  If new parts are available then this probably isn't worth the time, but if parts are not available then it could be an option for you.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: old 1946 on June 09, 2022, 08:10:46 PM
Thanks for all the replies,I have purchased the needed parts,all is well.
Title: Re: Chit happens when you get old
Post by: Keta on June 10, 2022, 01:07:04 AM
:0)!!!