I picked up one of these little guys lately. Its in great shape. The only issue is that the drag doesn't seem smooth. its kinda jerky or jumpy. Does that make sense? I'm scared to death to take it apart. Halp!
It most likley has a cork drag washer and is crapped up. There not that bad to take apart it's just getting them back together that's tuff !!
John Taylor
it's similar to the penn 30 international, so that tutorial should get you through. you likely have the old style composite drag washer. i don't see a replacement drag washer for this reel. it is possible that a carbon fiber drag washer can be glued to the pressure plate, but it's something i'd have to look at. it's been years since i've looked at one of these, but i seem to remember something being weird about this reel, like it had no freespool or something like that.
here is the schematic. https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/6.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/6.pdf)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackles old online store over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Very easy reel to tear down, especially if it (as you say) in good condition. You may need to improvise with the drag disk though if the cork has broken-down. You could always spend a little money and send it over to Cal Sheets for a rebuild/blueprint.
the drag washer ist no cork. Looks like the washers in Daiwa Sealine 900
After some hours testing cf washers in different thickness and adjusting with shims on the main shaft i gave up to obtain satisfactory freespool. But for trolling its ok, for bottom fishing some lead required. Optained max drag of 9.5kg which is acceptable for the small reel.
Wolli
What a great little reel. I am a bit surprised you were able to get that much drag outta the reel w/o loosing freespool, but it sounds like you are happy with the results. You will know if you have too much drag if you feel thst roughness of the pinion getting damaged when cranking under pressure. Shimming, and adjusting the Bellevilles and spacing will only give you soon much. Bear in mind these reels were designed to fish straight 6 to 12lb mono, with 6lbs max at full, so pushing it to 4Xs that may exceed design specs. Of course it is possible. Great little reels though.
John
I have been through nine or ten 6s and I haven't found one yet that would free spool cleanly, even with the lightest drag. Does anyone know anyone who could work some magic on a couple that I have now?
Thanks,
Randy
Randy do you want me to give it a shot. I might be able to cure the problem.
Mike
Hi Jon, was not planned to increase the drag, thats the result of the CF washer. The main problem (in this reel) is that the Drag Washer Brake LN (#5) touches in FREE position the inside of the Drag Cover (#156)
That needs to be adjusted.....
A photo of the grinding marks in the Drag Cover will follow tomorrow. Its too late in Germany to open the reel again.
Today i had a heavy 5kg reel for service and works fine again ;D
@Randy
check if your reel(s) have also grinding marks in the Drag Cover.
Quote from: Wolli on March 09, 2018, 11:03:49 PM
Hi Jon, was not planned to increase the drag, thats the result of the CF washer. The main problem (in this reel) is that the Drag Washer Brake LN (#5) touches in FREE position the inside of the Drag Cover (#156)
That needs to be adjusted.....
A photo of the grinding marks in the Drag Cover will follow tomorrow. Its too late in Germany to open the reel again.
Today i had a heavy 5kg reel for service and works fine again ;D
@Randy
check if your reel(s) have also grinding marks in the Drag Cover.
That's what I suspected. I think a shim or 2 under the tailplate bearing or on the outside of the drag plate, or running the reel w/o a heat shield (bearing cover) might help here (if there is enough space to shim, and still maintain adequate drag to disc clearance. A bearing sleeve which help maintains slight, but steady pressure on each on the putter races of the spool bearings might help as well. However, there just may not be enough space to work with on these small reels though.
I am picking up my 12H parts that I dropped off at the Cerakoter 11weeks ago today, and may play around with this reel this weekend a bit. Hopefully it goes back together ok.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=24680.0
Most Internationals don't have particularly good freespool or start up inertia is too high, due to too many different/heavy components on the spool, and parts making contact along the spool shaft. These smaller reels should have the capacity to do a bit better then their larger cousins in this regard though.
John
Quote from: Wolli
@Randy
check if your reel(s) have also grinding marks in the Drag Cover.
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Thank you for the suggestion Wolli, but I am sorry to say that I am afraid to take it apart because I many not be able to get it back together. I am all thumbs!
Thanks again,
Randy
@Randy,
its no secret, assemble in reversed direction ;D
Bad weather today and again busy with the reel
One problem solved, the other must be checked by a mechanic.
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Wolli
Quote from: Wolli on March 12, 2018, 02:03:36 AM
@Randy,
its no secret, assemble in reversed direction ;D
Bad weather today and again busy with the reel
One problem solved, the other must be checked by a mechanic.
S. attachment
Wolli
Did you try to shim on top of (the outside) of the outter drag plate? Or increase your Belleville stack height, either by using thicker washers arranged in a ()() config, or adding a shim? You shouod be able to shim the plate so it doesn't contact the cooling shield when in freespool.
John
I looked at the print and the washers add to the problem. They look like the drag is loaded all the time. But until I see one apart I won't know for sure. Does anyone know if the bearings are metric. If so they can be converted to angular contact bearings. I don't think the problem can be completely fixed just made better.
Mike
Quote from: mikeysm on March 12, 2018, 07:07:40 PM
I looked at the print and the washers add to the problem. They look like the drag is loaded all the time. But until I see one apart I won't know for sure. Does anyone know if the bearings are metric. If so they can be converted to angular contact bearings. I don't think the problem can be completely fixed just made better.
Mike
If you add spacing to one side, you need to remove it from another. I have corrected this issue on a number of internationals over the years through shimming, and Belleville spacing. However, if the plate is warped it will need to be replaced.
These reels have relatively loose tolerances, which gives you some leeway with adjusting spacing for worn parts. If one or more bearings are slightly thicker then stock, or not properly seated it can cause spacing issues as well. Marring on any of the parts that move along the spool shaft can also be problematic. You can certainly run the reel w/o the cooling shield too, but you will have to be vigalent with servicing since you increase your risk if salt/debris intrusion into the drag parts.
I wouldn't give up on it just yet.
John
I picked up one of these little jewels on Ebay. Someone put some money into changing over the drag system and then someone (my bet - someone ELSE) didn't follow instructions putting it together after a cleaning. As the picture shows, rub marks on the drag cover. ( the drag was VERY jerky, as you can imagine ) Why? because all the belleview washers were nested inside each other ((((. I turned then to this set up ()() smeared grease on the drag cover, reassembled, tested the drag at almost full drag and then disassembled again. The grease I smeared on the drag cover was unmarked so I know the gear is not rubbing on the cover anymore.
To ''1badf350'' I say, this is a very easy reel to take down and reassemble. Just remember (as you follow Alan's penn 30 tutorial ) to start the disassembly with the reel in freespool and with the drag knob turned as loose as possible. The toughest thing you'll run into is not losing those 4 tiny little drag plate cover screws. Man ! they are microscopic to these old eyes.
Now, can someone suggest a place to find a new spool ? The blue rag in the picture on my spool is saturated in SaltAway to try getting rid of salt buildup from not washing the braid line down after use in saltwater (reel came spooled with 30# braid that looks new but was obviously used at least once.)
One thing I did was to used hi heat contact cement to glue the metal drag plate to the spool as I did not feel it was right to ''float'' against the aluminum spool on 1 side and have the carbon fiber disc rubbing on the other. Too many things moving, I think.. Don't know if this was a problem before but It doesn't seem like I created a problem by glueing it. I have caught several coho trolling this reel since my modification and am well pleased by it's performance.
Greg
I have a bunch of new parts for the International 6 around here somewhere that I have been saving. I may have a new spool. Are there any other new parts that you can use?
Thanks, a new spool would be nice. All I really need is that spool. this reel is in excellent shape. I'd say 9 out of 10 for looks (dings, scratches ) 10 for 10 for insides - if it would have been reassembled correctly. If you had a drag shield/cover, I'd replace that also just to get rid of the rub marks.
give me a price and I'll send you a ??? what, paypal? E transfer ? I haven't written a check in years. Oh, I bet I could send a money order, I think.
Cheers
Greg