Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn 99/Jigmaster/SurfMaster/Squidder Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 01:50:46 AM

Title: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 01:50:46 AM
The Jigmaster series began in 1958-'59 with the 500. Sharing many of the same parts as the 259(Long Beach Live Bait Caster) and being the same size, the 500 is thought to be an updated replacement. The main diffrences between the 259 & the 500 were: 4:1 gears(500) vs 2.5:1(259); 1 structural frame ring on each side-plate(500) vs 2 on each side-plate(259, a strength + on this reel for my $); and a quick release head-plate arrangement on the 500, for easy spool change and maintenance.
The 500 is the only Jigmaster still manufactured today( built in China since 2006). The narrow version("Junior")501 was introduced in 1966 and discontinued in 2004. The 501 has all the same features of the 500, but being a narrower platform, it has lower line capacity, but it would probably be less prone to frame torque.

Perhaps, because of the initial success of the 500/501 and a gradual decrease of sales in the 70's & 80's, Penn introduced 2 updated versions: the 505HS/506HS "High Speed" Models. On these newbies the standard aluminium spools and side-plates were modified(elongated spool shafts)to ride on 2 ball bearings(insteda bushings that the 500/501 used), 5:1 gears(vs 4:1 on the 500/501), the 2 frame bars(instead of 4 individual posts on the oldies), and there are 2 tail-plate rings for the HS models instead of just the 1 that came on the 500/501. These were the main diffrences. The 505HS was discontinued in 2000 and the 506HS in 1998. More as I begin to post pictures.

Update note: For ACCURATE and more detailed info. on the history of these models and the Jigmaster 500S, please see the sub-forum "Penn-Vintage, Old Guy's Rule!!!!!, by sdlehr, with an excellent thread on the 500 et.al. Especially the posts from "Penn Chronology" on page 2.

Clockwise from top-left; 505HS, 506HS, 500 and 501
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Maxed Out on August 20, 2018, 02:31:29 AM
 Nice stash of jigmasters

1959 jigmaster came with plastic spool(500) or chromed spool(500M). The L designates aluminum spool which was not available till several years later
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 02:34:34 AM
Tail plate diffrences(hope you can see them in the pictures): 500 plate on the left, 506HS on the right.
1) The 506HS; 2-rings, with the outside ring having tapered holes for the screw heads. The 500; only 1 inside ring with the cylindrical head Penn screws.
Note: will use just the 506 vs the 500, as I'm too lazy to take apart 4 reels.

2) The inside depth for the 506 plate approximately 5mm, about 2mm for the 500.

3) The 506 has an easy to replace click spring with a screw, instead of the rivets that the 500 has.

4) Adjustable ball bearing on the HS reels(only tail plate side adjustable)Adjustable bushing(also tail plate only) for the 500.

The spool. As far as I know, all the 505/506 came with aluminium spools. The original 500 came with 2-plastic spools and a chromed brass spool(500M)was avalible for extra $(thanks Ted). Aluminium spools started to show up, I believe, in the mid-70's for the 500/501. Please correct anything in error as I'm workin off memory. Thanks.

The spool shaft lengths between the 2-model series are main diffrence: on the tail plate side the 506's shaft is about 2mm longer than that of the 500's, and on the gear side it is about 5mm longer.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: RowdyW on August 20, 2018, 02:37:14 AM
Gfish you forgot a 500S in your history lesson.     Rudy
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 02:40:03 AM
Thanks for the needed info. Ted! Recognize the 501? Good price for a pristine reel with the box.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 02:45:47 AM
Yeah, Rudy. Maybe I can do that'un next: 500 vs the 500S. I guess alota folks had trouble with the S's screw-on/off tail plate corroding and stickin together, so they only lasted a few years.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: RowdyW on August 20, 2018, 02:59:49 AM
The S's tail plate is a quick release type. Never saw one where the delrin plates would corrode to the rings. The S's seem to have better fitting quick release plates then the other 500 reels.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 03:26:20 AM
Small differences on the side plates:

On the 506 the plates are slightly dome shaped, the 500's plates are flat.

The eccentric lever is conformed to fit the the 506's side plate better(closer) than the straight one on the 500.

No "lubricant" port on my 506 for the gear area, the 500 has one.

The "easy take apart" rings on the HS models have a completely diffrent type of rivet than those of the 500/501. Notice on the 500/501 the rivets are barely discernable and installed on the top section of the ring. On the HS's a set of larger rivets are driven in on the flat side of the plate.  

The cylindrical shape of the screwhead holes on the 500/501 tail-plate. This is probably nessassery to keep the non-ring-supported bakelite from cracking, which is what might occure from to much torque on a tapered screwhead.

Easier to notice head plate differences:

Metal shield around the gear sleeve/drag spacer on the 500, none on the 506.

Bridge plate on the 506=56.3mm wide, and it's 52.6mm on the 500.

Main gear diameter on the 500: 31.7mm with much coarser teeth, 32.0 mm on the 506 with fine teeth. Pinion for the 506=8.21mm, with a thicker ring on top, but made outta brass. 500's pinion=9.15mm, with a stainless steel lookin ring on top. Both pinions have 12 teeth.

The thickness of the head plate's gear area, on the outside is about 2.9mm more for the 506 than that of the 500's. Inside, the 506's depth is also greater, but difficult to measure.

The gear sleeves:
The gear sleeve's of the HS models have a fine thread(98-505) for the star wheel, producing more "fine tune" drag adjustability than the coarse threads of the 500's(98-60). Also, the stock 10-505 star on the HS is larger than the stock 10-60 on the 500/501

Frames:
A side by side width comparison.

Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Maxed Out on August 20, 2018, 03:41:26 AM

The 500s sideplates were made from different material than all other models
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 04:07:00 AM
Ok, Rudy. That bit of info. for 500S was off a diffrent forum, that guy coulda been wrong. Wonder what it was that folks didn't like about that particular Jiggy version?

COMPARISONS:
The frames had one stand-out structural diffrence: the 505/506 came with the "2-screw bars" for more strength, as opposed to the individualized posts of the 500/501. Add to that; the double rings on the HS tail plates and the tapered screw heads/holes, and I like that frame much better.

The finer gear teeth on the HS models are rumored to shred easier. Don't know of any existing evidence of that, has anyone else heard otherwise, or experienced it? However, wouldn't the coarser toothed gear on the 500/501 have more surface contact area with the pinion and therefore be stronger?

My personal preference is bushings(500/501)for the spool to roll on. It's a "less maintenance" thing for me. Ball bearings (the HS models) need more maintenance and they are more expensive to replace.

Don't know if the metal drag spacer guard on the 500 strengthens anything but it could help keep out water from the innards.

The HS's 5:1 gear ratio is better for some applications,  but not for every situation. 5:1 = more speed, but 4:1(500/501)= more torque.

Because of the frame strength, standard aluminium spool and 5:1 gears, I'mina give an edge the the HS models, but only a "slight edge" because the ball bearings are a maintenance/cost negative to me and also I just don't know about the possibility of the HS gears being weaker. Notice in the photo I put a ss gear sleeve in the 506 that I had layin around.

In real world fishing applications, putting excessive torque on the reel, would it be less expensive/difficult to round the top of a brass gear sleeve off, and have to replace it,  than to wreck the gears?
HS Gears would be more expensive and possibly difficult to procure.  So, maybe I'll change back to the brass gear sleeve and under alota strain hopefully that'll collapse before the gears shread.

Opinions? Which do you like better and why?

 
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 04:09:00 AM
Ted, I believe the 500S side plates were made a "Lexan"(spelling?).
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: thorhammer on August 20, 2018, 01:07:09 PM
Greg, really nice write-up. I'm a fan of the HS; I think they are great undersung reels, witrh bearing maintenance as you say. I think you are correct, the 500S plates are Lexan, or possibly Delrin. Mike Quinn at Penn told me years ago but I forgot exactly; nonetheless, I have at least half dozen and prefer them when doing conversions for spiffy chromed innards and red spools.

NOTE for all doing a 506 conversion: as i just found out, the 506 spool assembly is a 109D 501 spool pressed on a 506 shaft, so the spool markings actually look like it's a 501 spool...until you install it...see Greg's photo. i bought one a ways back for Chui's kit when he had them had them ready, and then it didn't fit the kit. i alerted the ebay seller, and to his credit he sent me a NIB Newell 501 spool and wouldn't let me pay him. But he's gonna get some Cackalackey bobby-q sauce back :)

That's a fancy marble lazy susan you got there; that's an immaculate wrokbench. Mine looks like a tornado hit a Wal-marks...

Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Swami805 on August 20, 2018, 01:55:11 PM
Here's a first year 500 when they used the decal. Been trying to find a first year 500m with the decal but not sure they exist
Nice write up Greg, thanks for taking the time
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Decker on August 20, 2018, 02:58:09 PM
Question: The custom side plates made by Cortez Conversions, and the one-piece Pro-Challenger frames have ball bearings on the spool spindle,  but use the standard spools that work with the bushing reels (500 501) correct?     
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: RowdyW on August 20, 2018, 03:01:38 PM
Correct!
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: swill88 on August 20, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
Great info Greg!  Thanks.

I vote for it to be stickied but, with and asterisk for phonetic spelling. ::) ::) ::)

steve
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2018, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: Decker on August 20, 2018, 02:58:09 PM
Question: The custom side plates made by Cortez Conversions, and the one-piece Pro-Challenger frames have ball bearings on the spool spindle,  but use the standard spools that work with the bushing reels (500 501) correct?    

Yeah. I've only had one issue when goin that route and it hada do with the aftermarket pinion needing to be reamed out a tiny bit, but yeah, the old metal spool fit perfect into the aftermarket ball bearings.

Don't Know why the HS reels are built with the plates so deep(wide between the spool shaft ends). Maybe more $ for people to spend on specialized spools...? Its gotta be that the ball bearings need more space in the plates.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: sabaman1 on August 21, 2018, 02:08:43 AM
Thanks for sharing that Gfish, thats a very nice collection. I started out  my conventional reel fishing with the Jigmasters and Squidder line. Brings back good memories!     
                              Jim
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: otghoyt on March 08, 2019, 04:40:52 AM
Yeah but.... a 259 tail plate on a 500.  Got a couple 110 Senator tail plates on some other 500s  I really dig all Jigmaster variants.  Nice write-up.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Ron Jones on March 08, 2019, 05:44:38 AM
Gotta tell ya, a 506 Newell spool would be the bees knees.
The Man
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: thorhammer on March 08, 2019, 03:37:31 PM
505 / 06 Great reels; very undersung.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: MarkT on April 28, 2021, 03:02:58 AM
Newell got started in the reel business by making aftermarket upgrades for Squidder/Jigmasters. Then they moved into making reels. The Newell 3xx series were basically Jigmasters with spool bearings and 5:1 gears. The 505/506 were Penns attempt to take back that market. Just like the 2xx series Newell's were Squidders with 3xx internals. I'd prefer the Newell's over the Penns! Tiburon and Accurate started the same way, as I recall Accurate actually was a Tiburon sub-contractor.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Maxed Out on April 28, 2021, 09:16:21 PM
 Spool shaft switcharoonie could be costly and detrimental. You want to hot rod your 506, but there is an alternative. A pro gear 545 is a 501 on steroids with 113h internals, spool on bearings, one piece frame, dd bridge drops in, and custom 4/1 gears. Standard eBay price is $150-$170
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: MarkT on April 29, 2021, 12:05:35 AM
The PG 545 has a bigger capacity than a 501 due to the deeper/taller spool.  It's more like the capacity of a 545 GS or Penn 99 Silver Beach/Jigmaster conversion.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Maxed Out on April 29, 2021, 03:15:59 AM
Quote from: MarkT on April 29, 2021, 12:05:35 AM
The PG 545 has a bigger capacity than a 501 due to the deeper/taller spool.  It's more like the capacity of a 545 GS or Penn 99 Silver Beach/Jigmaster conversion.

You must be thinking of a different reel Mark. I can use jigmaster accurate magnum sideplates and a PG545 spool to make a 501 magnum. The 501 & 545 spools are identical except for the spool shaft
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: MarkT on April 29, 2021, 03:43:37 AM
Same internal profile? I don't have any without line so I can't compare them directly. Actually, these days I only have a 545 and a 99'd Jigmaster.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Maxed Out on April 29, 2021, 04:21:25 AM
 Yes, a few years ago a member here showed a 501 magnum that was built using a 545 spool. Accurate never made a 501 magnum
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: twotone on April 29, 2021, 04:47:42 AM
Mark are you sure I thought all progear were the size spools. I'd love a 501 accurate mag to match.  Someone elaborate
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: twotone on April 29, 2021, 04:51:30 AM
113h, 112h, jiggy 500,and squider mags. 501 got look to see if I have 545
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on April 29, 2021, 08:29:20 PM
Magnum---Yes!, a 501 with 5:1 gears and braid would be awesome.

JMO, the progear frame and plates are better(prolly stronger) than an Accurate upgrade. It seems like it, cause of the way they fit together.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: MarkT on April 30, 2021, 01:34:35 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 29, 2021, 03:15:59 AM
Quote from: MarkT on April 29, 2021, 12:05:35 AM
The PG 545 has a bigger capacity than a 501 due to the deeper/taller spool.  It's more like the capacity of a 545 GS or Penn 99 Silver Beach/Jigmaster conversion.

You must be thinking of a different reel Mark. I can use jigmaster accurate magnum sideplates and a PG545 spool to make a 501 magnum. The 501 & 545 spools are identical except for the spool shaft
PG 545 spool is 1 3/4", I think the Penn 501/Newell 322 is 1 5/8".
99 Jigmaster/Newell 332 is 2 1/8"
Jigmaster 500/Newell 338 is 2 7/16"
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: otghoyt on April 30, 2021, 01:54:27 AM
I like the sound of the DD bridge for drop in.  I'll do some homework on the spool.  Kinda confusing right now.  Lotta info in there.  Thanks for the direction.  Appreciate it much
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Maxed Out on April 30, 2021, 03:59:46 AM
 Check out the pro gear section thread now being discussed about increasing drag on a 505&506 and spool shaft flex when Bryan installed a 5 stack. Start by reading page 1.

The spool shaft flex is likely due to the extra long shaft on the 505&506. Bryan says the spool started rubbing at 15#
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Donnyboat on April 30, 2021, 07:47:53 PM
Greg thanks, this is a good post with lots of info, contributed by many of you.
     I just brought a Jigmaster 500, although it looks rough, it works great, just the reel for using on the boat, keep the flasher looking reels for the shelf.
     I actually run out of braid for it, managed to get 330M or new 8 strand multi colour braid on it, 60 Lbs, so I still have room for a mono top shot.
     thanks to everyone, cheers Don.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Rancanfish on May 04, 2021, 11:39:55 PM
My first ever conventionals were a Jigmaster 500, then a 320gti, then a squidder 140 I got in trade for the 320.  I still have them in perfect condition. (One of the benefits of knowing a guy named Tani all those years ago).  I have two like new 506's that I got and never used.  I have a like new 209 I bought for my son when he was little, fishing in the bay with me.

I still have a 146 NIB.  I still love holding them to admire the solid feel Penn built in to all that era reels
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: otghoyt on March 30, 2022, 09:00:10 AM
Ok fish man.  I know you troll your own threads.  So here's one for you.  Will the NEWELL REEL P-440 F cross bars fit the 500/6 series reels?
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Gfish on March 30, 2022, 02:35:28 PM
I don't know, I've been tempted to delve into Newells based on what I've read here about 'em, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Progear's too.
 Yup, I reread my stuff and then always end-up editing my hurried, stupid sounding writing, or adding things I've learned since I first posted. Kinda like my reels, I'm never satisfied with what I originally did.
Woody Allen says he never watches his own movies because if he did, he would wanna change everything he did. Guy's a genius IMO, and I'm so far from that, so it sounds like good advice for me...
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: Rancanfish on April 18, 2022, 07:53:22 PM
Do eet!  Get a Newell 220.  It will blow your mind how light and powerful it is.
Title: Re: Jigmaster 500/501 to 505/506 comparison
Post by: thorhammer on April 20, 2022, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: Rancanfish on April 18, 2022, 07:53:22 PMDo eet!  Get a Newell 220.  It will blow your mind how light and powerful it is.




agree. awesome little reel- and P229 also.