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Accurate Fishing Products, originator of the patented TwinDrag reels, is launching a new single-drag reel featuring the same quality Accurate is known for, but a smaller price point.
The Accurate Boss Fury will be available in a single-speed configuration offering either a 4.1:1 or 6.1:1 gear ratio to meet the needs of anglers hunting down their local big game. The Boss Fury will also be offered in two-speed models featuring a 3.1:1 low and a 6.1:1 high speed in the 400 and 500 models, and a 2.2:1 low and 5.1:1 high in the 600 model. These larger reels will take on any fish you throw at them, whether it's a stout grouper holding to the bottom or a yellowfin tuna that takes you the rail.
These new lever-drag reels, like their counterparts, are made of 6061 T6 billet aircraft aluminum to reduce weight and add strength. They feature a very simplistic design with stainless steel gears, wet drag for smoothness, and an ergonomic rubber handle that fits perfectly in your hand. The lightweight reels are both comfortable and extremely easy to fish with. The Fury also has the same good looks as all Accurate reels and comes with a brushed aluminum finish.
According to Accurate, the company has wanted to offer an introductory reel for some time ''" a reel that would meet the needs of a wide range of fishing situations without a huge price tag. "People enter the market with a single drag purchase. Then as they gain confidence fishing they look for better tackle which leads them to a twin-drag reel," says Accurate's VP of Sales and Marketing Ben Secrest. "We have been working towards developing a quality single drag for them to purchase directly from Accurate. This gives the customer a starting point with our brand, which in the past they could not afford."
The Accurate Boss Fury is priced $150 less than anything the company currently sells.
The Fury reels (both single and two-speed) will be available in 400X, 500X and 600X sizes. The 400 is rated for 40-pound braid, the 500 for 50-pound and the 600 for 60-pound. While they were constructed primarily for fishing with braid, they work fine with monofilament as well.
The reel was named through Accurate's "Name Our Reel" contest. The winner, Ron Bryan, came up with "The Boss Fury by Accurate," which will be engraved on every reel. The contest gathered 1,200 potential names but Ron's Fury won out, and he will receive the first reel off the assembly line and the company will engrave his name on it.
Line Capacity:
400X = 300 yards 20-pound mono, 400 yards 40-pound braid
500X = 300 yards 25-pound mono, 425 yards 50-pound braid
600X = 300 yards 40-pound mono, 450 yards 65-pound braid
Accurate's Boss Fury was designed with fishermen needs in mind. If you're chasing bullet tuna, schoolie dorado or trying to catch your first white seabass, the single-drag Fury will meet your fishing needs at an affordable price.
To check out the Boss Fury line of reels visit your local Accurate Dealer or go to www.accuratefishing.com. You can also find them on Facebook and YouTube.
I heard a rumor that there is also a 600XN (narrow) Anyone know?
What does Allen initially think of these reels? I am thinking Christmas gift to myself
for a 40# seabass rig...
it's all about price point. :-\
Since these reels only have dogs I am wondering if an antireverse bearing would fit in the handle to minimize any backplay for jigging? I wonder if these reels would benefit from sleeving as well? Might have to get one and find out!
just from the photo, it looks like an AR bearing (or two) would fit.
Any more info on them?
1. Are they tripled, double or single dogged?
2, Do they have a rt side thrust bearing? Or are they born bearing wreckers like Avets?
inquiring minds want to know... ;D
i know they have double dogs not sure about the bearing
These reels probably have a pull drag system like their twin drags with one less drag. I have seen much less pinion Bearing failures With this type of drag system. Pinion bearing failures are more common in a push system.
What is a push system versus a pull system? Essentially push system pushes the pressure plate against the drag medium. Pull system differs in that it pulls the spool towards the pressure plate or the pressure plate towards the drag medium
Quote from: Bryan Young on December 15, 2012, 04:48:41 PM
These reels probably have a pull drag system like their twin drags with one less drag. I have seen much less pinion Bearing failures With this type of drag system. Pinion bearing failures are more common in a push system.
What is a push system versus a pull system? Essentially push system pushes the pressure plate against the drag medium. Pull system differs in that it pulls the spool towards the pressure plate or the pressure plate towards the drag medium
Thanks for that Bryan.
I'm gonna see if I can finagle picking one up for a look see :).
I just looked at and popped open a Fury 400X. A couple very quick first impressions: Its finish will take some getting used to and not everyone will like it. The frame is brushed aluminum and not nearly as smooth or shiny as other Accurates. I suspect it is just as durable but may pick up fish scales a bit easier. Inside, it looks like most lever drag reels: A simple, utilitarian design with the single drag washer on the spool. When put in gear, the spool moves towards to right to meet the pressure plate and apply drag just like a TLD, etc. The reel I looked at had been greased heavily with Cal's. It cranks smoothly but the free spool isn't what I'd expect, although if I were to remove the spool bearing shields I suspect the free spool would improve. I haven't filled it with line so I can't check the drag but from all accounts it should generate about 20# -- more than enough for a reel this size. I think it's probably a good reel for the price.
Fit n finish doesn't bother me especially for the price. Interesting to hear that the reel has the push drag system. I wonder in the end if the drag is really much different than an Avet drag system (aside from dry drag issue) and if they worth the extra $$$?
Quote from: mitchman on December 20, 2012, 09:52:47 PM
Fit n finish doesn't bother me especially for the price. Interesting to hear that the reel has the push drag system. I wonder in the end if the drag is really much different than an Avet drag system (aside from dry drag issue) and if they worth the extra $$$?
You can feel handle pressure on an Avet once you get above their pathetic 9lbs at strike. This might make for an acceptable reel for fishing baits/lures near the surface but a rat yellow at the bottom can pull that....consequently Avets are useless for anything that swims near structure.
If you can set strike to 20lbs on the Boss Fury and not be damaging your bearing in the process then it just may be the way to go for a USA made jigging reel. :)
Quote from: johndtuttle on December 21, 2012, 02:37:20 AM
Quote from: mitchman on December 20, 2012, 09:52:47 PM
Fit n finish doesn't bother me especially for the price. Interesting to hear that the reel has the push drag system. I wonder in the end if the drag is really much different than an Avet drag system (aside from dry drag issue) and if they worth the extra $$$?
You can feel handle pressure on an Avet once you get above their pathetic 9lbs at strike. This might make for an acceptable reel for fishing baits/lures near the surface but a rat yellow at the bottom can pull that....consequently Avets are useless for anything that swims near structure.
If you can set strike to 20lbs on the Boss Fury and not be damaging your bearing in the process then it just may be the way to go for a USA made jigging reel. :)
I guess it depends which model Avets we are comparing since 9lbs at strike is definitely true for the SX/MX series. The JX/LX get more drag (~15lbs), but not 20lbs at strike. I think this series hast he potential to be a USA winner.
I looked at the 600 narrow today.Great to see you can get them in 4:1 gear ratio. That is becoming a rare thing in reels today...everything seems to be 6;1.
The very small size of the sideplate screws intrigues me???
Hey there boyos,
Fed-ex just dropped this off and I thought I would give you a sneak peak:
Boss Fury 500N 4:1 retrieve or 28" per crank. Made in USA Baby!
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It's a perfect handful and should easily handle 300yards of ~60lb Braid as it is listed as being able to handle nearly 400yards of 50lb. Spool is only a thumb's width wide:
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Normally I don't use a reel clamp but this one actually feels pretty dang good as a trigger:
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It's much smaller than a Daiwa 30T, more like a Shimano 16N size. Perfect for fishing PE4/60lb braid for reef donkeys. The photos make it look far larger than it is.
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I'm going to do a full tear down to look at the insides and will do a "service tutorial" so that the DiY crowd will have a future reference.
As well, I'll try and investigate how this reel may perform for vertical jigging and what mods the intrepid may attempt to if they are of a mind to super tune it :). Free spool is excellent out of the box. I don't think anyone would find it other than excellent for standard bait fishing or SoCal iron.
best regards
Ok, had to pick up a #6 Torx bit (edit: #7 Torx is the best size) to crack her open so here is a first look at the pertinent innards:
Below is the Dog System. Very simple:
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Note that they are "symmetrically" positioned so they should engage at the same time. This is extremely reliable but produces a bit more handle "slop" than the "synchronized" triple dogs of the DPX2 series.
This is the triple system below. Note how the dogs are in more random positions than the above image so that only one dog carries the load at a time. Much less slop this way. Maybe we can get Accurate to do this in the single speed model? :)
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Below is the main gear and shaft with a large teflon bushing. It measures 14mm x 20mm x 24mm. It should be easily replaced like Alan did with a single or dual AR Bearing that would have to be pressed in.
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I'll put one on order and see if I can get it pressed in there. No reason why it shouldn't work and produce an extremely good vertical jigging reel for just over $300.
best
thanks for the photos. so, john, was that a number 6 torx or a number 7?
Quote from: alantani on January 27, 2013, 02:45:09 PM
thanks for the photos. so, john, was that a number 6 torx or a number 7?
It was a 6. The 7 goes in, but seems shallow and might strip so I went with the 6 and removed them with no worries. I've never used Torx before and not sure if you should go with the biggest one that fits or the smaller...??
Question: Alan, do you have that 14 x 20 x 26mm AR bearing for sale or should I get it from Boca?
That one plus the smallest spacer/bushing should fit the reel perfectly.
best
ps. I double checked and the #7 torx is in fact the better choice.
got the AR bearing. send me an email with your address and i will send it out. also, for the torx, i've found it best to grind down the bit to a long taper so that it fits into the recessed hole.
email sent Alan :).
Did some drag testing on the reel. I did some straight pull testing and it was about 9 strike and 18 full with free spool. Put it on a rod and got ~12lb dead lift at strike and ~25lbs dead lift at full. More than enough for the line class that this reel will hold. :).
Good to see the wheels are in motion on this project ;D
Alan - have you ever heard of the the 'anti-reverse bearing seal kit' that is offered by Decoro Fishing Tackle of NZ? Apparently they file down one of the washers for the bearing to install a gasket/seal which prevents saltwater intrusion to the ARB and makes it last a lot longer. Apparently it works so well Accurate might be adopting it :o
Quote from: mitchman on January 29, 2013, 09:32:53 PM
Good to see the wheels are in motion on this project ;D
Alan - have you ever heard of the the 'anti-reverse bearing seal kit' that is offered by Decoro Fishing Tackle of NZ? Apparently they file down one of the washers for the bearing to install a gasket/seal which prevents saltwater intrusion to the ARB and makes it last a lot longer. Apparently it works so well Accurate might be adopting it :o
If you look at the above photo of the Drive gear mitch I think you might see what Accurate is doing. On there is a wafer thin teflon washer that seals the bottom of the shaft. As well, they use one at the top under the handle, in years past it was a simple metal washer.
I'm looking for confirmation of whether this is the intent at the moment as this area is essentially "open" given that the gear cover is not remotely a seal, it has a hole in it besides, and of course the spool will leak like a sieve any time it receives salt spray or even gentle hosing down.
best
The washer is there to allow the gear to move and slide when in contact between the gear and the spacer. Its purpose is to prevent the spacer and the side of the main gear from rubbing creating jerkiness or hesitation upon inertial startup. Think of it as a thrust bearing on a lesser scale. In most other designs, such as Avet, Shimano, Daiwas, etc.., there is usually 2 bearings which support the driveshaft or a bushing. If you look at it, it was a very cost-effective design. The washers were added to alleviate some rubbing or binding issues which arose.
A sealed ARB would seem good until the seal breaks. What kind of world would it be if Accurate used SS ARBs...?
Quote from: jonathan.han on January 30, 2013, 01:29:07 AM
The washer is there to allow the gear to move and slide when in contact between the gear and the spacer. Its purpose is to prevent the spacer and the side of the main gear from rubbing creating jerkiness or hesitation upon inertial startup. Think of it as a thrust bearing on a lesser scale. In most other designs, such as Avet, Shimano, Daiwas, etc.., there is usually 2 bearings which support the driveshaft or a bushing. If you look at it, it was a very cost-effective design. The washers were added to alleviate some rubbing or binding issues which arose.
A sealed ARB would seem good until the seal breaks. What kind of world would it be if Accurate used SS ARBs...?
Yep, I contacted Kane and he is meeting with Accurate to pitch them on incorporating his idea into their production. I took a wild guess and missed the mark.
Well, the good news is that Boca Bearings will probably stock the 14 x 20 x16 SS AR bearing for the foreseeable future so that is always a possibility to switch them out with a little ingenuity.
It's may be a case of simply being resistant to change versus perhaps an acknowledgement that if water gets in there and is not cleaned out it doesn't matter what material you use whether stainless or not.
We just have to keep pushing as they seem to be incorporating new good ideas in the current offerings.
In no way was I being negative about the design. I was in the prototyping field for a short period and I actually think it is a solid system. No metal. No problems. One of the few accurates I may consider buying for fun and anodize it purple for a 25lb rod. I think for a dedicated jigging reel, I would stick with Toriums and Trinis if you needed instant AR. I don't value ARBs in jigging applications. It was hard enough to get Accurate to omit the ARBs, now people want them back in. Shimano started the instant AR system a long time ago. They called it "Super Stopper" and Super Stopper II . This was early 90's (?). It does, however, give a feeling of stoutness.
Quote from: jonathan.han on February 02, 2013, 10:03:25 AM
In no way was I being negative about the design. I was in the prototyping field for a short period and I actually think it is a solid system. No metal. No problems. One of the few accurates I may consider buying for fun and anodize it purple for a 25lb rod. I think for a dedicated jigging reel, I would stick with Toriums and Trinis if you needed instant AR. I don't value ARBs in jigging applications. It was hard enough to get Accurate to omit the ARBs, now people want them back in. Shimano started the instant AR system a long time ago. They called it "Super Stopper" and Super Stopper II . This was early 90's (?). It does, however, give a feeling of stoutness.
I think there are advocates of all of the different options. Technically speaking there is no need for AR bearings at all on fishing reels as mechanical dogs are more than reliable. However, dog only reels are annoying to some for fishing artificial lures that benefit from erratic retrieves. The random "ka-chunk" you get and handle slop is an issue. Notice all fresh water reels above the very lowest price points have instant anti-reverse.
What was hard was getting Accurate, not to omit AR bearings per se, but to back them up to make them truly reliable. Now, the "stock" configuration of the Fury and the Dawg series omit them (probably for cost considerations). Accurate will press in an AR bearing in the Dawg series (per report) if requested but have no plans to offer that for the Fury at this time (per email with Accurate).
This is a quest to have whatever the Angler considers the "best of all worlds" for his fishing :).
ps UPDATE Accurate will add AR bearings to Fury reels in their factory.