What are the approximate prices I would pay for each size of Senator? Talking about standard sizes, components, and not mint condition or anything. Looking for low-end estimates because I don't have a problem cleaning them up, as long as the chrome is still there >:(
Looking to build up a collection consisting of 1/0, 2/0, 3/0, 4/0, 6/0, 9/0, 10/0, 12/0, 14/0, and 16/0.
Also, as far as line weights (mono), do these sound right?: 20 lb, 30 lb, 30 lb, 30 lb, 50 lb, 50 lb, 80 lb, 80 lb, 130 lb, 130 lb
3/0 30#, 4/0 40#, 6/0 80# works for me.
1/0, 2/0, 3/0, 4/0 about $30 for a working model.
6/0 about the same
9/0 $60-$70 for one in usable shape
Half decent 10/0 $150-$175
12/0 $200 for a good user model
14/0 $300 for a decent working model
16/0 good luck finding one under $550-$600, that's about the lowest, then sky is the limit beyond that depending on condition or rarity (just ask Broadway ;) ;))
Okay so about $150 for the smaller ones. Then another $200 for the medium sized ones, and for the big three sky's the limit.
Did anyone see the 16/0 that sold for $360 a while ago on eBay? Full working condition, if I had some more cash on hand I would've bought it. Was like $60 to ship, it was in Spain or something.
Ted pretty much nailed those prices.
For me anyway. I have a set price and I stick to it.
I have enough Senators to fill that room of yours Biggie.
The 16/0 is a different game.
You have to know the details of what you are exactly getting.
I have four in my possession. Three of them are hot rodded to the hilt.
All One piece spools. Anywhere from $450 to $750.
I had this one on the Kitchen table for quite some time.
She now resides on the bedstand.
Awesome piece by my Buddy IslandGypsy.
Quote from: Maxed Out on February 10, 2017, 04:27:20 AM
1/0, 2/0, 3/0, 4/0 about $30 for a working model.
6/0 about the same
9/0 $60-$70 for one in usable shape
Half decent 10/0 $150-$175
12/0 $200 for a good user model
14/0 $300 for a decent working model
16/0 good luck finding one under $550-$600, that's about the lowest, then sky is the limit beyond that depending on condition or rarity (just ask Broadway ;) ;))
I'm not arguing with the "Penn Guru" but in my opinion, I believe you're way off on those numbers.
Not bad from the 12/0 and up, but way off from the 1/0 to the 9/0.
Yes, at the moment you will see lots of jiggies ang 4/0's at a rediculous price on line, but that's because of this site offering all custom parts for those. One day those will be valuable again.
As stated above, just my opinion.
Sal
I agree, Sal. More specifically, I have never found the small Senators at anywhere near $30.00.
I have received a 'good deal', only to then replace all the shiny stuff, drags, etc.
But, I'm preaching to the choir. Ted's a Professor of acquisition skill.
I'll pitch in my .02 only because I've been on the hunt for similar reels on eBay these past few months.
Prices are really going to vary on how long you are willing to wait for a deal...
I've see 1/0's go for $30 for a really beat reel or one just sold for $153 with a box in New condition.
2/0, 3/0, 4/0 and 6/0 can usually be had for under $50 (As long as you don't want a H, HL or HLW model)
9/0 will be right around $100
10/0 Have really been varying lately - I've seen two go for $120 in the last two weeks. Meanwhile some folks are asking $300 for them.
12/0 Vary from $150 up to $250
14/0 seem to be going for $250 - $300
16/0 are in the $600 to $850 range
I purchased my 16/0 for $500 from a private seller, if he had listed it on eBay he wanted $700 to cover fees and what not and get a little extra.
You are getting a lot of info, some similar and some different. Use your best judgment and stick to your budget...also have fun ;D
Quote from: Rancanfish on February 10, 2017, 02:42:44 PM
I agree, Sal. More specifically, I have never found the small Senators at anywhere near $30.00.
I have received a 'good deal', only to then replace all the shiny stuff, drags, etc.
But, I'm preaching to the choir. Ted's a Professor of acquisition skill.
Ran, the problem I see here is that Ted is basing the numbers to what he sell those for ::).
Ted forgets that most of us don't have 100 extra large tupperware containers full of reels from his Dad shop as he does ;D.
The 1/0 alone will usually not go for less than $60 and around $100 for one in great shape.
Sal
I've seen the same prices Coastal Dan has, it seems we may have the same Ebay search terms working. lol I've seen some 4/0's and 6/o's go for cheap, but they were corroded bad and beat up. Good shape ones seem to be selling for a good bit more. I felt lucky when I got my aluminum framed 114HLW in great shape shipped for 95.00.
Thanks everyone for the replies. Looking at recently sold Senators on eBay, here are the low-ball prices I came up with:
1/0 is at least $30 shipped (one went for $30 with free shipping, one went for $18 with $12 shipping, one went for $23 with $7 shipping)
2/0 is at least $25 shipped (one went for $16 with $9 shipping, one went for $20 with $5 shipping, one went for $25 with free shipping)
3/0 is at least $20 shipped (one went for $13 with $7 shipping, one went for $20 with free shipping, one went for $11 with $9 shipping)
4/0 is around $25 shipped (one went for $16 with $6 shipping, one went for $15 with $11 shipping, one went for $20 with $6 shipping)
6/0 is at least $25 shipped (two have recently gone for $15 with $10 shipping, one of which had a handle upgrade that is probably with over $15 anyways)
9/0 is at least $75 shipped (with the chrome still there, you're looking at a $65 reel with $10 shipping)
10/0 is at least $150 shipped (one went for $130 with $20 shipping)
12/0 is at least $110 shipped (one went for $85 with $25 shipping)
14/0 is at least $275 shipped (one went for $245 with $30 shipping, a nicer looking one went for $250 with $35 shipping)
16/0 is at least $440 shipped (one went for $400 with $40 shipping, and there's one for sale now that's $500 with $80 shipping)
I only took into account reels that didn't have a ton of chrome pitted and that worked. I don't mind getting in and cleaning the reel up, but if there's chrome missing then it's not worth my time. There were 9/0s going for like $40 shipped, but not working ones or ones where there is corrosion and no chrome left.
So if I spend the next few years collecting these reels, I can probably get them all for around $1,200 and I might put another $300 into filling them and say another $100 into minor parts that need replacing. $1,600 to build my collection isn't too bad.
Any ideas on how to not spend $300 on line for those reels?
Quote from: biggiesmalls on February 10, 2017, 04:20:06 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies. Looking at recently sold Senators on eBay, here are the low-ball prices I came up with:
1/0 is at least $30 shipped (one went for $30 with free shipping, one went for $18 with $12 shipping, one went for $23 with $7 shipping)
2/0 is at least $25 shipped (one went for $16 with $9 shipping, one went for $20 with $5 shipping, one went for $25 with free shipping)
3/0 is at least $20 shipped (one went for $13 with $7 shipping, one went for $20 with free shipping, one went for $11 with $9 shipping)
4/0 is around $25 shipped (one went for $16 with $6 shipping, one went for $15 with $11 shipping, one went for $20 with $6 shipping)
6/0 is at least $25 shipped (two have recently gone for $15 with $10 shipping, one of which had a handle upgrade that is probably with over $15 anyways)
9/0 is at least $75 shipped (with the chrome still there, you're looking at a $65 reel with $10 shipping)
10/0 is at least $150 shipped (one went for $130 with $20 shipping)
12/0 is at least $110 shipped (one went for $85 with $25 shipping)
14/0 is at least $275 shipped (one went for $245 with $30 shipping, a nicer looking one went for $250 with $35 shipping)
16/0 is at least $440 shipped (one went for $400 with $40 shipping, and there's one for sale now that's $500 with $80 shipping)
I only took into account reels that didn't have a ton of chrome pitted and that worked. I don't mind getting in and cleaning the reel up, but if there's chrome missing then it's not worth my time. There were 9/0s going for like $40 shipped, but not working ones or ones where there is corrosion and no chrome left.
So if I spend the next few years collecting these reels, I can probably get them all for around $1,200 and I might put another $200 into filling them with line and possibly replacing any parts on them.
Good luck!
The hard part is the market price changes week to week. In the area I live there is probably 15 9/0 for sale on offer up and let go ranging 50 dollars and up. The same market only has one 16/0 and it is priced at 1000 dollars. The 4/0-9/0 will be the easiest to find. Good luck
Going to advanced search on eBay, and clicking on sold listings will give a person a good idea of price point on everything that has sold in last 3 months
It's a great way to see what similar items are selling for. A quick search shows Sal is right, I was way off. I said $40 for 1/0 thru 4/0. I was waaay too high. I found at least a dozen 1/0 that sold for under $40, and almost 2 dozen 2/0 that sold for less than $40. Patience is the key, and never get head over heels in love with one reel. Another will come along, and another, and another, till you find the right reel at the right price.
Here is the advanced search on that reel:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=penn+reel+1%2F0&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&LH_ItemCondition=4&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=19083-2515&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_sop=10&_dmd=1&_ipg=200&LH_Complete=1
;D Looks like I'm not the only cheapskate on this site ;D The ebay market fluctuates quite a bit, and there are bargains to be had now and then. Patience is key. If you want the best price, don't even turn on the computer on Saturday or Sunday.
Lol some call it being a cheapskate, I just call it being a student ;D
I agree with Sal and ebay prices are ebay prices and you don't know what's coming in the mail :'( :o
Garage Sales. People often don't know what they have and just want it gone.
Garage sales are more work but you get the best values. As an east coast guy I notice that a lot (maybe most) of the nice vintage penns come from Cali sellers. I like getting reels from Midwest sellers.... less corrosion for the most part.
That's a good point about garage sales. I live a mile or two from the beach so I might be able to find some stuff lying around.
Definitely more work though - but if it helps me get cheap Senators, then no point in not doing it.
My 2 cents.....I wouldn't pay more than $5 for any of them :o. Cuz there are savvy sellers :P who seem to be watching what we do here and just when Mo or Ted comes up with killer build, corresponding reels seem to become valuable overnight..... ;D. But on the serious side, the prices Ted listed are close to my target prices. For me pawn shops, garage sales, auctions, and lots of patience are the way to go. I try to pick a price I'm happy with and stick to it....For me the hunt and discovery of a piece I'm looking for is the fun part, rebuild and catching fish after is the satisfaction part. Hell, I'm still looking for the International 50 for $25 :D :D :D
Bill
Quote from: Decker on February 11, 2017, 04:04:06 PM
I like getting reels from Midwest sellers.... less corrosion for the most part.
This is true...the reels here do have less corrosion...but midwest reels are fewer and farther between. 8)
Quote from: TARFU on February 11, 2017, 05:01:43 PM
There are savvy sellers :P who seem to be watching what we do here and just when Mo or Ted comes up with killer build, corresponding reels seem to become valuable overnight..... ;D.
There is a bit of truth to this Bill. I
have seen like reels pop up just after a killer build is posted. :o
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 10, 2017, 04:24:03 PM
6/0 is at least $25 shipped (two have recently gone for $15 with $10 shipping, one of which had a handle upgrade that is probably with over $15 anyways)
Where was I when those $25 6/0s sold? I can't find any less than $50. >:(
Where was I when those $25 6/0s sold? I can't find any less than $50. >:(
[/quote]I picked up a 114H last week for $31. Seller said no anti reverse & handle turns both ways. Turned out someone must have pulled out the bridge screw that holds the dog & when replaced it missed the hole in the dog. Not the prettiest but it had a spool full of wire line on an aluminum spool. Not a mark on the spool after removeing the wire. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on February 11, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
I picked up a 114H last week for $31. Seller said no anti reverse & handle turns both ways. Turned out someone must have pulled out the bridge screw that holds the dog & when replaced it missed the hole in the dog.
Good buy Rudy! I picked up a Long Beach like that once. Was expecting to need parts and it was all there...just pushed aside.
Quote from: RowdyW on February 11, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
Where was I when those $25 6/0s sold? I can't find any less than $50. >:(
I picked up a 114H last week for $31. Seller said no anti reverse & handle turns both ways. Turned out someone must have pulled out the bridge screw that holds the dog & when replaced it missed the hole in the dog. Not the prettiest but it had a spool full of wire line on an aluminum spool. Not a mark on the spool after removeing the wire. Rudy
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I say we have a contest and see what kind of senator you can buy for $50 including shipping. Mo likely already has the winner ;) ;) -Ted
I think the best deal I ever stumbled across was a 10/0 for $80.
That and the box of 12/0 parts I got from you for $100 Ted. ;)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8942.0
That's a good point - there are a few sets of "Senator parts" for sale on eBay from time to time. Perhaps it would be cheaper to purchase one of these and fill in the missing pieces. Although it doesn't seem as reliable as just purchasing the reel in the first place.
Yard sales are the best places I have found for deals. Found a almost mint 4/0 with box for $20 and a 109 for 50 cent
Drew hit the yard sales and pawn shops down there, for rods reels and tackle. You now have the best bargaining chip possible: the knowledge of market price and being able to leverage your knowledge of reel mechanics to haggle. You can tell quickly if you can major discount for condition / malfunction and use your connections and skill set to revalue the equipment. This is how I built most of my collection and to me is most rewarding. Craigslist too, lot of good stuff near you. In theory I'd buy low, service /repair and sell high. I just never let go of any lol. But that doesn't mean you can't flip equipment similarly to get what you want. Sweat equity will get you a long ways.
That's definitely my plan. I am going to look for a surf blank as well, I would just go straight for the Seeker blank but I need a surf rod for the upcoming season so I don't want to wait too long to get one.
I went through the garage this weekend and found a ton of my old fishing stuff, plan is to sell it to a friend for a quick $120 since he wants to get into fishing, afterwards he could probably sell it all for at least $200 if he breaks it up, and then he can buy better stuff if he likes it.
So you know what that means... more Senator money!
Florida's recession put alot of gear on the market ? are the prices going to go up or down :-\ and garage sales you can't always find the same stuff over the years :'(
I just spent $8 +shipping on an eBay coffee can Penn 149......tried to count the total number of parts compared to the schematic and came pretty close....should get it late this week and will let you know.....Bill
A pair of 14/0's shipped for $290 each. All they need are new clamp bolts.
No broken rings, screws or missing braces.
They shined up pretty good with just a few minutes of polishing.
I have a problem. ;D
LOL, hey Daron, if you don't tell how many 12/0's you own, I promise I won't tell how many 113h I own.....many of which were more than $290 each ;D ;D
Ted
nice pickup my man. Hope you don't get blown out but not looking good.
Ok, so, what's the problem?
Buying Vintage Senators.
That is the only problem. ;)
I can't pass up a good deal.