Just a quick thank you to Fred for the great little reels! This one fits perfect on the old Glass Orvis 4 piece trout rod! Love it! Thank you! Andy
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Great lookin' combo Andy! 8)
I figured rather than make another 110 thread I'd just post on Andy's thread...Andy is a cool guy...he won't mind the company. 8) After spending time studying Fred's DAM Quick tutorials I felt confident enough to tear apart this mint 110. Again, I'm amazed by the design, a whole lotta reel in a tiny package. The drag stack is really cool on this model. A single clear teflon or vinyl friction washer inside the spool and a Resistex under spool washer. Unlike my 270 Super's tiny drags...this 110's washer is huge...as you can see in the first pic. It's nice and smooth too, more than enough power for most ultralight fishing. The next photo shows under the hood after servicing, that's a big motor for such a tiny ride! I gave this one to my brother for his birthday, he's crazy about these old bulletproof ultralights.
Mo, your pic made it look so simple that I decided to pull off the side plate on a 110n that I bought off my sis's boyfriends garage sale stuff. I gave him too much, but....after sitting in a file cabinet drawer for a year, here it is.
The spool and shaft and everything would just pull all the way out if I pulled on it. It is a different assembly, but it's pretty obvious there's a pin or something missing off the arm. And the small under spool washer is gone.
Someone tried to service it pre-Tani.com.
And yes, tiny drags.
Randy, that 110N is similar to the older 110, but has a few differences. Fred's 110N tutorial will keep you straight. The 110N has the drag stack with hex drags, pretty cool for a reel this old. 8)
Randy --
PM me your current address -- and I'll drop the connecting pin in the mail later today for the 110N.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Rancanfish on December 01, 2017, 05:07:01 PMThe spool and shaft and everything would just pull all the way out if I pulled on it. It is a different assembly, but it's pretty obvious there's a pin or something missing off the arm. And the small under spool washer is gone.
Yes, on the schematic that part is called "pin for slide" part no. 104-290. I knew Fred would have one (or several). :)
I'll send an under spool washer also, Randy --
Best,
Fred
Very nice work on that little 110, Mike --
Most folks don't know that a 110 uses the same body, sideplate, and transmission sleeve insert as a 220 -- main difference is the size of the spool and rotor.
Finally cranking up the assembly line to near full capacity this week.
Finished a few overdue reels in the backlog so far this week -- today am aiming to complete (2) Mitchell 308 builds from scratch, another 110 from loose parts, an "N" for a member, and a complete restoration from scratch of an extremely rare Quick 275 Super 2-Speed for another friend and member on our site. This will include Adam's new custom drag stack with CFs and new metal washers.
Plus digging up 270 and other parts to send out to members.
Completed a nice 110 yesterday from loose new parts and a rough donor carcass.
Down to around 71 reels to service, restore, and repair. Will stop a week before Christmas -- hopefully, I should be nearly completed by then.
Best,
Fred
All great info on a well thought of reel--the 110.
Frank
Saw a Super 270 a few minutes ago on Facebook for $30 shipped. Started to respond but I have a big one already, 550N. Been looking for a 110 so I'll wait.
Quote from: mo65 on December 01, 2017, 04:02:21 PM
I figured rather than make another 110 thread I'd just post on Andy's thread...Andy is a cool guy...he won't mind the company. 8) After spending time studying Fred's DAM Quick tutorials I felt confident enough to tear apart this mint 110. Again, I'm amazed by the design, a whole lotta reel in a tiny package. The drag stack is really cool on this model. A single clear teflon or vinyl friction washer inside the spool and a Resistex under spool washer. Unlike my 270 Super's tiny drags...this 110's washer is huge...as you can see in the first pic. It's nice and smooth too, more than enough power for most ultralight fishing. The next photo shows under the hood after servicing, that's a big motor for such a tiny ride! I gave this one to my brother for his birthday, he's crazy about these old bulletproof ultralights.
Mo your 110 looks MINT! I've manage to acquire 3 110's and a 110N I've gone through one of the 110's myself and made CF washer like the one I bought from Fred a while back. They are awesome little reels one of my favorite now. Other than the basically new one Fred sent me none of mine are nearly as pristine looking as yours good find there. I need to go through my 110n debating on if I should try to make CF drag washers or not being hex shaped not sure how well it will work out.
I just now pulled the trigger on one of these 110. It should be here early next week. Been patient looking for one and passed up some better deals on the 110N series.
Way ta go Festus! You'll love this reel. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on December 01, 2017, 04:02:21 PM
I figured rather than make another 110 thread I'd just post on Andy's thread...Andy is a cool guy...he won't mind the company. 8) After spending time studying Fred's DAM Quick tutorials I felt confident enough to tear apart this mint 110. Again, I'm amazed by the design, a whole lotta reel in a tiny package. The drag stack is really cool on this model. A single clear teflon or vinyl friction washer inside the spool and a Resistex under spool washer. Unlike my 270 Super's tiny drags...this 110's washer is huge...as you can see in the first pic. It's nice and smooth too, more than enough power for most ultralight fishing. The next photo shows under the hood after servicing, that's a big motor for such a tiny ride! I gave this one to my brother for his birthday, he's crazy about these old bulletproof ultralights.
The big keyed washer that presumably fits between the drag knob and the drag washer--is that a flat washer or some kind of cupped spring washer?
Frank
Quote from: happyhooker on February 01, 2018, 12:44:33 AM
The big keyed washer that presumably fits between the drag knob and the drag washer--is that a flat washer or some kind of cupped spring washer?
Frank
It's a flat washer.
Mike is right — flat washer. These are chromed over brass.
There is also a wavy spring washer that goes between the red drag knob and the flat metal keyed washer.
So from the spool up, you have a friction washer, keyed flat metal washer, wavy spring washer, and the drag knob.
Best,
Fred
I figured there was likely some type of spring washers somewhere. I hate to generalize, but spool mounted drags that do not have any type of spring seem to me very hard to adjust; you turn the drag knob just a tad & drag goes from not much to way too much.
Frank
Thinking back...I can't remember if that 110 I restored had a spring washer under the drag knob. I gave the reel to my brother for his Birthday. Since there isn't one in the photo I doubt it was present. I better try to find one.
They are easy to find, Mike. Your local Ace, True Value, etc., with specialty racks should have what you need.
Quote from: Midway Tommy on February 03, 2018, 04:51:38 PM
They are easy to find, Mike. Your local Ace, True Value, etc., with specialty racks should have what you need.
If it is not easy or convenient to find, Mike — glad to send you one at N/C. They are kind of a unique size on the 110 & 265. The outside diameter needs to almost touch the spool cup — and have enough spring height to function properly.
The drag knobs on these 110 & 265 are metal, not plastic — as such, the drag will function best with the 360 degree fully adjustable and even up or down pressure of the proper spring against the large metal drag disc.
IMO.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred...I'll try the hardware like Tommy suggested...and if I can't find the correct size I'll shoot you a PM. 8)
This little jewel arrived this afternoon. Looks like it was fished very little, it is very clean. The bail is very strong but cranking felt a little stiff. I opened her up and I wouldn't doubt this is the original grease and it's possible this is the first time the side plate has been removed.
The housing and gears seem to be same size as the bigger DAM Quick 220.
BTW, earlier in this thread I see some discussion on the spool and brake, does it look like I may be missing a washer or two?
It looks like you're missing the friction washer. Mike's was some sort of plastic but it looks like Fred has both the fiber & plastic in his box. I'm pretty sure the fiber was factory OEM, if I remember right. I'm pretty sure the plastic/nylon came later as an optional replacement type.
Replacing the friction washer is a cinch...a Penn 6-309 fits great after you trim about 1 mm off the outside diameter. That metal keyed washer is a mess though, you'll have to polish it and the wave washer. The rest of the reel looks great...nice find Festus. My reel was stiff too, it's that petrified grease. 8)
You are right as usual, Tommy —
Except the tan ones in the parts tray are the NOS vintage and correct leather from 1960.
Rough on one side, smooth on the other. They are flexible and work very well. Must be treated with oil or something to keep so well after 58 years.
These were for the 265 Microlites.
The hard black, or brick color ones were for the 110's.
The clear vinyl plastic ones were a replacement like you mentioned.
Depending on the fishing application of the angler — CF can be used very slightly greased on both surface sides with Cal's purple — or really any material you may prefer. With 4 lb. test and targeting freshwater fish typically 2 to 10 pounds — it makes little difference.
The only drag discs that should be greased with Cal's are CF. On smooth surfaces, the grease acts like water in drum brakes — no stopping friction.
The metal disc, spring washer, spool spindle, and the inside of the spindle should all be smooth and clean for proper operation of the drag system.
I also apply a TINY bit of grease on the threaded spindle where the red drag nut screws on — and a new under spool washer is also useful.
Just some tips that others may not know.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: mo65 on February 04, 2018, 01:56:14 AM
Replacing the friction washer is a cinch...a Penn 6-309 fits great after you trim about 1 mm off the outside diameter. That metal keyed washer is a mess though, you'll have to polish it and the wave washer. The rest of the reel looks great...nice find Festus. My reel was stiff too, it's that petrified grease. 8)
Thanks for the tip, Mike, I happened to junk out a couple of Penn 309 this week.
Quote from: foakes on February 04, 2018, 02:06:28 AM
I also apply a TINY bit of grease on the threaded spindle where the red drag nut screws on — and a new under spool washer is also useful.
Just some tips that others may not know.
Best,
Fred
Upon further inspection, looks like I'm missing an underspool washer also.
This little reel is even better than I expected. Also got another surprise today, the little Shakespeare 2052 was in the mailbox this afternoon.
QuoteExcept the tan ones in the parts tray are the NOS vintage and correct leather from 1960.
Rough on one side, smooth on the other. They are flexible and work very well. Must be treated with oil or something to keep so well after 58 years.
These were for the 265 Microlites.
The hard black, or brick color ones were for the 110's.
The clear vinyl plastic ones were a replacement like you mentioned.
Ha! That goes to show you how much I know. I figured those tan ones were just old faded red ones. :) Hmmm? That'll teach me to assume. :D
Some of these old reels especeailly certain models of DAM Quicks look as if they have been in a time lock or people just quit fishing with them soon after purchase. I know they are older but the Quicks with the most use seem to be the Finnesa's. There the only ones I've come across that have been serviced or may show some internal wear... Jeff
Quote from: festus on February 04, 2018, 03:29:23 AM
Upon further inspection, looks like I'm missing an underspool washer also.
No big kadoo here either Festus, it can be replaced by about any hard smooth material. Quick's stock Resistex material works very well, as does Delrin or Teflon, even Penn under spool washers will work. Maybe the Spinfisher reels might offer a correct size, maybe from a 720 or similar size reel. 8)
Guys, can I get some info? 110 in a box of stuff- looks great, but will not turn. Disassemble, clean...now very smooth. However the drag system is different --face of spool has a "star wheel" pressed into it. Believe a previous reassembly and I can't figure out a correct reassembly. Can't access old photos so could use some current ones- from face of pinion bearing for to drag spinner. Would be delighted to see how this weirdo goes together. Thanks WC
If the "star wheel" is the same as the locking washer on the 220 I have, it just pries out, but before you try that and maybe bust something, maybe someone else on the site can confirm. There are folks here who will know for sure.
Frank
Thanks, Frank- tried to removeit, but not vigorously. Every part on this reel is a-ok, all original .... HATE to break a part!! :(
Yep Kozmo, Happyhooker is right, that star washer pops out with a little help from a screwdriver. Here is a link to my question about this:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12620.45
Just scroll down the page til you see my comment.
Hi Walter —
Never seen a 110 with a star type drag fastener — that doesn't mean anything of course.
Lots of things I have yet to see.
220 & 221 have those press in drag clip star rings.
Do you think someone installed 110 badge on a 220?
Post a couple of pics — so you can get accurate answers, instead of my guesses.
Thanks!
Best,
Fred
I've never seen a Microlite or 110, including a 110N, spool with a star retaining clip, either. Fred, you posted while I was typing. :) The waffle spring sits directly under the drag nut. Are you sure you're not talking about the ratchet wheel mechanism on the bottom of the spool? If so, it's probably stuck and needs a little persuasion. There is nothing that holds the ratchet wheel in the spool except the drag knob. An original Microlite or 110 spool should only have these parts.
Thank to all . Spool has the hex pocket, star retainer- not to bad to get out, thanks to Frank's reply. Someone has been in this little gem- drag waffle spring in bottom of spool pocket, no E-clip on drive gear/drive rod connection, bail badly stuck. BTW, 2 small copper shims- where do they go? Rest of unit seems correct now. Mono or braid? ;)
Re pics- don't know how or would post. Could be a badge switch- was clocked wrong. Will take some measurements on body size. Man!! Thought I had a 110- a buddy got a box at garage sale- just wanted a big Diawa serviced- must reel with right hand so... Box had 2 penn 209MS along with some small spinners ... Penns have boxes and one has instruction/ catalog and wrench. Another box with 7 new mon Trilene in it 10 bucks-- I never find anything like that Thanks again WC
Quote from: Kozmo77 on March 12, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
BTW, 2 small copper shims- where do they go? Rest of unit seems correct now.
Those shims go on both sides of the slider, the outer one under the c-clip.
Quote from: Kozmo77 on March 13, 2018, 12:01:37 AM
...a buddy got a box at garage sale- just wanted a big Diawa serviced- must reel with right hand so... Box had 2 penn 209MS along with some small spinners ... Penns have boxes and one has instruction/ catalog and wrench. Another box with 7 new mon Trilene in it 10 bucks-- I never find anything like that Thanks again WC
A sawbuck well spent, regardless.
Frank
Quote from: Kozmo77 on March 12, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
Thank to all . Spool has the hex pocket, star retainer- not to bad to get out, thanks to Frank's reply.
It is probable that you have a 110N — which is radically different from a 110.
These have the hex washers you mention.
If unsure or unable to post pics — contact one of us, and we will post your pics until you learn how.
This site is about education for all interested lookers — so photos are a useful key for everyone to see.
Thanks!
Best Regards,
Fred
:'( Full disclosure and deepest apologies as follows: Did not look closely at badge during disassembly. Have ARMD assumed facts not in evidence. Size appeared to be small reel. I look very closely at other types Amb., Shimano, Diawa, Penn etc. but badge on Quicks says it all. *220* Reel >(functions flawlessly I know very little about these many and varied items- I just know that I like them very much and enjoy making an otherwise piece of junk into what it once was. I don't think I will ever be able to add much if anything to this forum, but truly enjoy all the input from so many highly respectable men and women. So, I'm hangin' back and readin' all I can. Thanks again WC 8)
No big deal, Walter —
My advice would be to not hang back — wade right in — ask questions, offer observations and answers to others.
You will find out that if you faithfully follow the parts of Alan's website that interest you for 90 days — you WILL know as much or more than folks who have been in the business for 10 years, or more.
This is an advanced course in reel repair, service, and restoration.
In your defense, Walter, as for the 110 vs. the 220 — few folks know that the 110 & 220 body have identical gear casings — just the size of the rotor and spools is different — and the stand on the 220 is 1/2" taller.
I am currently building out 100 Quicks from parts for folks and for sale inventory. These are 265, 110, 110N, 220, 221, 270. After this, I will start on about 250 more that include the rest of the models. I will keep two examples of each model, one to fish, and one to display — then get rid of the rest.
The main bench is jammed with these, as I get a couple a day done in between other reel jobs.
Figured since I have the parts, they should be in the hands of folks who would use and appreciate them.
Best,
Fred
You're good, Kozmo77. We all got to discuss what interests us, and a good reel like you have will always prompt everyone to hop on board and swap ideas. Those DAM Qs are special and have a unique place in fishing reel history. You are lucky to have one--I would bet 97% of the anglers out there have never fished with one and a large percentage maybe have never even heard of one.
Frank