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Title: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 04:01:47 PM
Here's a couple of new additions to my arsenal. Mint condition Penn 12/0 and a Harnell unlimited class rod. They go pretty good together.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Crow on November 26, 2017, 04:03:36 PM
Sweet looking rig !!
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Swami805 on November 26, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Match made in heaven, great find Mike! Looks like someone had high hopes for some big game fishing and just never made it
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: theswimmer on November 26, 2017, 05:24:39 PM
Mike,
That is a very nice Unlimited,,,,,,
And  thought my 2580  100 wt was in good shape ::)
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: 54bullseye on November 26, 2017, 06:15:55 PM
Sure Mike rub it in !!!  Sweet combo !!    John Taylor
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on November 26, 2017, 06:26:28 PM
I've just scored a 9/0 and now I've got to find something BIGGER :( ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 06:47:42 PM
Other than the condition of this rig there is something else that is unusual about it. Anyone care to take a stab at at it?
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: 54bullseye on November 26, 2017, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 06:47:42 PM
Other than the condition of this rig there is something else that is unusual about it. Anyone care to take a stab at at it?
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What you paid for it ??    Lol !!    John Taylor
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 26, 2017, 07:34:15 PM
Nice Rig Mike.
Is it the Black Handle? or because it isn't mine. ;)
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 08:01:55 PM
Not exactly Brother but look at the Reel seat.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Tightlines667 on November 26, 2017, 08:10:45 PM
Quote from: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 08:01:55 PM
Not exactly Brother but look at the Reel seat.

That is one sweet looking Harnell!

I am not seeing anything special about the reel seat, other then then maybe the size?

My Harnell has a smaller diameter seat, but similar sized guides.

John
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: 54bullseye on November 26, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
John yours is an RS-5 so smaller and yours is the older compression fit and doesn't have the "H" for heavy. His is RS-6H. But Mike like John I don't see anything unusual about your reel seat ?   Let's have it !     John Taylor
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: oc1 on November 26, 2017, 08:51:40 PM
 I don't know how you do it Mike, but that's an incredible find.
-steve
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 08:54:44 PM
I'll give you another hint ....
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Swami805 on November 26, 2017, 09:17:33 PM
custom lug bolts to fit around that fat reel seat?
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
I don't know how common it is for a 12/0 to fit on an RS-6H but I haven't seen it before
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: STRIPER LOU on November 26, 2017, 09:44:23 PM
Big reel seat. huh!

Mike, what an outstanding setup! The reel is a beauty but the Harnell is absolutely awesome. I still have a few of these beautiful miscellaneous blanks left and plan to get to them this winter.

Keep em coming, Bud!

.................Lou
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 10:04:44 PM
I don't think that is a custom Reel foot. My money is on a 14 / 0 Reel foot just moved to the 12.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
Here's a few more pics of the two sister rods that came home with me. One is a 60# class and the other is an 80# class. 52bullseye, all three rods are compression fittings. All are in unused condition with their respective sleeves. One of the best things is I know the story behind these three beauties.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 26, 2017, 10:53:44 PM
More ...
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: 54bullseye on November 26, 2017, 11:17:02 PM
Very nice group of rods Mike !! You gonna let us in on the "REST OF THE STORY" about the rods ??    John Taylor
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: handi2 on November 26, 2017, 11:21:01 PM
That's a sweet combo. Looks like new.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 26, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
Holy Cow!!!! :o
Mike,
I have seen that phenomenon one other time.
It was from Sal.
A 12/0 reel seat with a 14/0 stance.
Those rods are breathtaking brother.
I'll show you my New Barrett when I drop off your 16/0.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Alto Mare on November 27, 2017, 12:14:57 AM
Beautiful set Mike, don't see many in that shape.  Varmac seats are very tough.

Enjoy it!

Sal
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 27, 2017, 12:16:17 AM
I can't wait to see that! I'm going out of town again but I'll be back on the 7th. Maybe the 8th or 9th you can come over and bring that new magic wand.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 27, 2017, 04:20:26 PM
John you wanted the Rest of the Story. After paying the gentleman for the rods he asked if I would like to know the story behind the rods. I said of course and he began telling me about his best friend, the Colonel. The Colonel was stationed in Myrtle Beach in the early 60's. He had to have the best of everything whether it was guns, fishing tackle or anything he collected. He bought these rods and reels while he was stationed at Myrtle Beach. Apparently he didn't get to use them as they show no signs of having ever been out on the water. The Colonel was a true American hero and representative of The Greatest Generation. I have included his obituary as it gives insight into an extraordinary life. Sorry for the quality of the pic but it is readable.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Crow on November 27, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
We owe a LOT, to folks like that !
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 27, 2017, 06:42:39 PM
Very Cool Mike. ;)
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 27, 2017, 07:06:57 PM
I realize the Harnells are the stars of the show but, I'm really curious about the reel. Here is a side by side comparison.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: 54bullseye on November 27, 2017, 07:44:11 PM
Is the one on the left a 10/0 ?   
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 27, 2017, 08:05:35 PM
John the one on the left is also a 12/0. I know it looks so much smaller. The 12/0 on the right immediately caught my eye and piqued my curiosity when I first saw it. Something looked different about it and when compared to a standard 12/0 there's definitely a difference.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: 1badf350 on November 27, 2017, 08:35:25 PM
What do the post lengths measure on each reel? Can you reel the line off the new reel onto another reel to look at the spool? I'm staring at that pic like they have boobs.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: oc1 on November 27, 2017, 08:43:24 PM
The obituary says Colonel Johnson had a complete machine shop and made a fully functional scale model coal fired steam engine tractor over four years.  So, anything is possible here.
-steve
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 27, 2017, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: 54bullseye on November 27, 2017, 07:44:11 PM
Is the one on the left a 10/0 ?   
There is no aluminum spool made for the 10/0.
That reel has a Keta Krank on it, so I'm pretty sure it came from me.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: thorhammer on November 27, 2017, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 27, 2017, 08:35:25 PM
What do the post lengths measure on each reel? Can you reel the line off the new reel onto another reel to look at the spool? I'm staring at that pic like they have boobs.


that's funny right there '
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 27, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
Shark Hunter you are correct. That is a Reel you did for me over a year ago.
I hadn't really thought about it but if the 12/0 and the 14/0 are the same width then it would be an easy matter to beef up the 12 with the wider, bigger reel stand.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 28, 2017, 12:25:26 AM
I didn't even realize they used the same posts.
According to Scotts, they do.
I need to check the stand bolt pattern.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 28, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
It's much wider as you can see. That's why that 12/0 fits a Reel seat made for 14/16's. Pretty cool. But wait, would the screw holes match up on a 14/0 and 12/0 plate?
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 28, 2017, 01:09:22 AM
That is what I need to find out. Film at 11. ;)
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 28, 2017, 05:01:23 AM
I'm out of 14/0 stands, but I have plenty of 14/0 reels and 12/0 parts.
Sure enough, a 12/0 and 14/0 stand have the same bolt pattern and will interchange.

Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 28, 2017, 06:51:22 AM
The genius of Penn. It sure makes for one stud looking reel.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 28, 2017, 07:00:58 AM
You learn something new every day brother.
Thank You. ;)
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: oc1 on November 28, 2017, 08:00:24 AM
So, he either turned down a 14/0 spool to fit 12/0 plates or widened a 12/0 spool.  If the spool is turned down then there is more spool shaft sticking out.  Are 12/0 and 14/0 journals the same?  To widen the spool.... well that's just plain difficult unless the flanges can be removed and put on a 14/0 spool shaft.  Sorry Mike, but you sort of have to strip the line off and pull the spool or it's an unsolved mystery.  You started it man.  :)
-steve
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Alto Mare on November 28, 2017, 12:14:56 PM
Yup!, that line needs to come off, its the only way you'll see what's going on.
That is an aluminum spool, I don't believe it has been cut in the center and a bushing was added to make up the needed room, but you never know.
Spool shaft could be pulled on those. I have done it on the 4/0 with no problem, but you would still need to machine the spool and extend that shaft.
If by a remote chance that reel came from Penn, you're sitting on a lot of dough, but I doubt it :-\

The hole patter is the same, but the cut plate is of the same thickness. So, the 12/0, 14/0, or 16/0 isn't necessarily stronger than the 10/0.
There have always been few parts on Penn reels that could be swapped on different reels, if you look hard enough you might even find an International stand that will fit a Senator :o.

Cool reel Mike obviously you have some good connection. Thanks for  sharing your treasures with us.

Sal
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 28, 2017, 03:45:15 PM
Here's a pic of the Colonels reel (with line) and a 14/0. They appear to be the same width and Daron says the crossbars are the same. What I can see of the spool, it appears to be chromed brass. I think this is simply a case of switching out a 12/0 stand for a 14/0 stand. The Shark Hunter is coming over to the house when I get back from Oklahoma next week so if he deems we need to remove the line we will. Although, it's laid on so perfectly I don't know if I could get it all back on. It is filled to the brim so much so I don't think it was ever intended for fishing.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 28, 2017, 06:15:54 PM
Some of Mike's pics give the Illusion that the Harnell 12/0 is wider.
It is just a 12/0 with a 14/0 stand.
I remember Sal posting something up a while back that he had a stand that was stamped incorrectly.
I know it had to do with a 116 or 117.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Alto Mare on November 28, 2017, 06:38:09 PM
So, this is the case of a bad picture angle :). The only reason I got on the conversation was that the 12/0 on the right appeared wider. you'll never know with Mike, anything out of the ordinary is possible :)

You have good memory Daron, that stand is for the 118, stamped 117.

Sal
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 28, 2017, 07:05:14 PM
The illusion is very realistic even without a camera. The Reel stand, rod clamp, and especially the the spool with the line wound all the way to the top gives this Reel the appearance of being bigger than it actually is. I originally posted I thought it had a 14/0 stand and when Daron confirmed the bolt pattern was the same then it was pretty much mystery solved. I wonder if a 10/0 stand would fit a 9/0 Reel?
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: oc1 on November 28, 2017, 07:39:16 PM
Oh, I forgot the 12/0 and 14/0 are the same width.   I'm so sorry to have confused things and screwed up the thread.
-steve
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Alto Mare on November 28, 2017, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: The Great Maudu on November 28, 2017, 07:05:14 PM
The illusion is very realistic even without a camera. The Reel stand, rod clamp, and especially the the spool with the line wound all the way to the top gives this Reel the appearance of being bigger than it actually is. I originally posted I thought it had a 14/0 stand and when Daron confirmed the bolt pattern was the same then it was pretty much mystery solved. I wonder if a 10/0 stand would fit a 9/0 Reel?
No such luck Mike, the 10/0 stand will not fit the 9/0.
Quote from: oc1 on November 28, 2017, 07:39:16 PM
Oh, I forgot the 12/0 and 14/0 are the same width.   I'm so sorry to have confused things and screwed up the thread.
-steve
You or anyone else did not confuse anything, I thought all were good questions.

Sal
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 28, 2017, 11:02:57 PM
Yes, They were. ;)
I even learned something new from it. ;D
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on November 29, 2017, 03:30:39 AM
Yes, all were very good, interesting and entertaining. I'm nowhere near the collector a lot of guys on here are but I love finding interesting pieces. For me, this is THE place to come for knowledge. If it wasn't for this site I probably would have never met the Shark Hunter. It doesn't get any more interesting and entertaining than that.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 10, 2017, 10:24:16 PM
I stopped by Mike's Place tonight to drop off his 16/0 and to see those Harnell Rods.
Holy Cow! The three rods look like brand spanking new.
That was a find of a lifetime right there.
Congrats Mike.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: thorhammer on December 11, 2017, 01:46:22 AM
Mike you may not have quantity at least yet but what I see is you have some serious quality in your pieces. Love seeing the old rods especially in that shape. We have a few guys sandbagging that should show some pics of their classics. Wish they were in my pawnshops to find lol.  You just get five dollar 4/0 flea market specials from me.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on December 11, 2017, 03:52:43 PM
Thank you Shark Hunter for delivering my souped up, double dogged 16/0 shark reel. Every time I look at those Harnell rods I have a hard time believing the condition they are in. But the Barrett / Everol dipped combo you brought to show me was the star of the show. You have a one of a kind rig that the sharks will be lining up to get hooked on. Anyway it was a fun afternoon. Come back anytime.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on December 16, 2017, 10:32:07 PM
There's plenty of quantity too.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: 1badf350 on December 16, 2017, 11:43:36 PM
Mike is that your collection?
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on December 17, 2017, 01:50:37 AM
That was part of it. I had so much stuff I decided to take what I didn't want or need and open a booth at an antique mall.
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: oc1 on December 17, 2017, 06:38:43 AM
You're scaring me Mike.... what with the hang tags and display cases.  We might have to do an intervention.
-steve
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: 1badf350 on December 17, 2017, 02:11:16 PM
nice
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: The Great Maudu on December 17, 2017, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: oc1 on December 17, 2017, 06:38:43 AM
You're scaring me Mike.... what with the hang tags and display cases.  We might have to do an intervention.
-steve
It's a great comfort to know you are concerned about my welfare Steve. Perhaps when you're not posting on the internet, re-engineering reels, building rods and making your own fishing line you could take the time to help me understand how to better deal with my obsession. ;-)
Title: Re: 12/0 and Harnell
Post by: Bill B on December 21, 2017, 04:18:57 AM
I'm thinking we need to take a road trip and visit Mike's booth and relieve him some some product.  Purely to increase his "warehouse" space, so he can add additional product  ::) ::) Bill